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1984, do games w Todd Howard says Starfield was 'made to be played for a long time,' but a month after launch I'm already drifting away
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

I had a feeling this would be a very overhyped game…

Centillionaire,

This is the most crybaby thing to complain about. Reminds me of the reviews on Steam that are “I do not recommend” (this player has 3,432 hours logged)

ech, (edited )

The state of video games is wild to see. People will play a hundred hours of a game and say it’s lacking. Players expect endless content and it’s honestly unhealthy for gaming at large.

smeg,

It’s completely unnecessary as well. We are absolutely spoiled for choice when it comes to video games, I pick up more for free than I have time to play, and with services like gamepass, offers like humble bundle, and the ever-present steam sales, there’s no reason to ever have to fork out big money for a game you feel you need to play a hundred hours in just to feel you’ve got your money’s worth. If you don’t like it after a few hours then just move on to one of the myriad games in your backlog and you’ll soon forget the boring one.

AaAaaaAaAA, do games w A heroic Starfield modder just straight-up deleted those repetitive temple 'puzzles' from the game

So you need a shit tonne of mods to make this AAA game enjoyable?

SturgiesYrFase,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Sounds about right

Rooty,

The absolute state of AAA gaming nowadays.

DarkMetatron,

I played the game 40+h without any mods and had a lot of fun. It is very much enjoyable without mods. Can mods make the game better? Yes, sure Are the mods needed to have fun with the game? Absolutely not.

lemmyvore,

For my curiosity, what on Earth could you possibly do for those 40 hours? Cause for me that’s about 5 times more than it’s worth spending with the game in its current state.

Blamemeta,

Side quests. The game is about side quests

Fonderthud,

I’m 60 hours in and haven’t touched the outpost, ship building, or equipment modding. Main quest and 2 faction side quests completed. I’ve enjoyed my time and bought the game with the expectation that it would be FO4 with some things improved some things worse and a new setting.

There are definitely failings and it’s not a 10/10 game but for a lot of people it’s a great game. The proc gen system needs more variety but that can be improved through updates and mods. If you prefer handcrafted content follow the quests and you’ll see minimal repeats of the POIs. I don’t regret my purchase one bit and would be fine if no DLC, mods, or updates happen even though I prefer they do. End of the day make your own decision based on what you like just realize it’s not a dumpster fire and not the perfect game that everyone should run out and play.

Yawnder,

I did more or less like you. I tried the outpost a bit, but when I realized they were irrelevant (same with modification and ship building) I just continued the main quest.

The dame has flaws, and I generally don’t buy games when they just come out, but I’m not disappointed in this purchase, despite the flaws of the game.

DarkMetatron, (edited )

Lots of cool side quests, a main quest that is one of the best from Bethesda, exploring the universe. And yes even the power puzzles from time to time to unlock a new power. I have about 100h (hard to say as steam is not logging the time for me anymore because I use mod manager and sfse) now (started with modding after entering NG+ at about 40h and still find new fun things to do. I am in NG+2 at the moment.

Mods I use are mostly cosmetic (I love to change some posters or magazine covers when ich switch NG+) or QoL like faster animations or better UI.

pancakes,
@pancakes@sh.itjust.works avatar

I have 60 hours in and just got to the temples. There’s a ton of things to do. I’ll probably get 100 hours into the base game and then many, many more hours from mods.

theragu40,

You keep asking this in this thread. What answer do you want? The game has a shitload of content in it. I’m 35ish hours in and I have so many random quests and things to do. I’ve spent hours wandering around planets. Around cities. In space stations. Scanning things, reading stuff.

It’s completely fine if what the game has to offer doesn’t appeal to you, but if you truly cannot comprehend how anyone could enjoy it, then I’m afraid you just don’t have much perspective.

This is, objectively speaking, a large scale open world game with hundreds of hours of content. It should be self evident that what it has to offer will appeal to some and not to others. How can you think that because it doesn’t appeal to you, it shouldn’t appeal to anyone? That makes no sense.

GeneralEmergency,

Blame Skyrim

kurcatovium,

Which one? ;-)

The1Morrigan,

Considering the main quest is like 10 hours long and then the game tells you to just wander around I’d say yes.

AaAaaaAaAA,

So your paying what like $80 for the “game” then needing the community to make it decent? So glad I haven’t bought it

MONKEYHOG,

That’s the entire point of Bethesda games, and has been for 20 years.

Beardsley,

First Bethsda game you’ve played? They make a great frame, but half-ass the interior lol.

AlDente, do games w A heroic Starfield modder just straight-up deleted those repetitive temple 'puzzles' from the game

Huh, I haven’t come across a single one of these temples so far and I’m almost 90 hours in. I guess I need to give the main quest more attention.

Grumpy,

Truly living the sandbox dream there.

You need to visit temples to get powers. They’re like words of power in skyrim.

AlDente,

Are these powers worth prioritizing the main quest over whatever ADHD direction I head next?

Grumpy,

Easier to show than to explain.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEFpDoB15Lo

AlDente,

I’m not really looking for spoilers so I only took a quick glance, but it looks neat. I heard the main quest line wasn’t that long so I’ve been avoiding it; however, if there are that many powers to unlock, it can’t be too short. I’ll probably resume those quests tonight.

Grumpy,

They become semi-side quests once you reach a certain point in the main quest line. Technically, I think you only have to collect just one to three of them to finish the story. I’m not 100% sure though, I too have been too distracted by non-mainline quest thingies.

ElBarto,
@ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

I just did my first one after about 50 hours and I really hope there’s not many of them… I didn’t know what I was doing or if I was doing it right untill I passed it.

PoopMonster, do games w A heroic Starfield modder just straight-up deleted those repetitive temple 'puzzles' from the game

My experience with starfield is “ughh this is annoying, ughh this part sucks, oooh thats kinda cool” and then I check my save file and have over 130 hours. So basically my typical Bethesda experience. 10/10 would do again.

sheogorath,

This also shocked me when playing Starfield, I basically just completed one of the faction quests and basically just spent time building and stealing ships and my playtime is more than 100 hours. WTF.

SasquatchBanana,

This just sounds like abuse

Serdan,

Stockholm syndrome 😄

CrowAirbrush,

Same but i never made it past 50h where Skyrim got 1500 and counting out of me as there are far less annoying things to deal with.

Sneptaur, do games w AMD responds to public demand: Radeon RX 6000 owners can now enjoy Fluid Motion Frames too
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

Is this exclusive to windows or does it work on Linux and macOS as well?

cisco,

Would love to know this as well

neveraskedforthis,

Matter of time until it’s included in GameScope.

starman2112, (edited ) do games w A heroic Starfield modder just straight-up deleted those repetitive temple 'puzzles' from the game
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Seriously fuck those temples. It already takes two minutes to walk from the ship, and now I gotta spend two minutes floating around in zero G?

TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY TIMES?

The1Morrigan,

Two hundred and forty times?

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

Two hundred and forty times?

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Without spoilers, there are 24 temples, and to max out what you get from them you need to complete each one ten times

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

~ psb

shneancy,

bruh

tburkhol,

omg. I’m just 15 hours in, haven’t discovered temples yet, but that seems unconscionable. Like, MMO levels of grind. I mean, I’ve happily put hundreds of hours into each TES-offline, FO-offline, Deus Ex, CP2077, BG3. I don’t mind repetitive if the mechanic is fun.

MMO grind is for when you expect your customers to spend hundreds of hours just hanging out with their friends and you need to find something for them to do. It doesn’t have to be fun or rewarding, just distracting. Maybe TESO and FO76 have distorted their priorities.

darth_helmet,

The “puzzle” is that when you enter the temple, it goes zero-g and a spinny thing in the middle pops up. You have to float to a thing that looks like a spinning top, and once you float through it, another one appears. You float through a dozen of them or so and then you get a space power. Such a colossal failure of game design that this was acceptable to have as any puzzle, but the audacity to make it literally the same puzzle at every other temple completely boggles my mind.

240 times. Sometimes a dude appears when you leave the temple, and he’ll shoot at you. There are better puzzles on the kids menu at Denny’s.

RizzRustbolt,

Nine times.

watches number go up on computer screen

Grace!

GoodEye8,

The number isn’t really the issue. The issue is that every single one is exactly the same. Skyrim had like 80? words of power but they were fun because you had to beat a boss or clear a dungeon or do a quest. In Skyrim you got at least some personal touch to getting those words.

In Starfield it’s always the same 1-2 minute walk from ship to temple and then float around in a small room until the central thing opens and then you get teleported outside the temple where you kill 1 guy that 90% of the time spawns directly in front of you. If it was as many times as in Skyrim it would still be mind numbingly boring, because there’s nothing interesting about them.

Cethin,

To 100% it, yes. It has to be done ever several new game cycles so you’ll also have to go through the other shit multiple times too. I don’t think anyone is expected to do that though. The new game plus stuff undermines the outpost system though. It’ll be gone your next cycle, so just don’t bother I guess? The ideal meta progression would be to rush through the main story and complete all the temples on your cycle then move on.

synceDD, do games w A heroic Starfield modder just straight-up deleted those repetitive temple 'puzzles' from the game
@synceDD@lemmy.world avatar

Removing content from the game you paid for, LMFAO

Cethin,

Emjoyment/hour should be the measure of a good game. This sort of a thing only works to increase time played, not time enjoyed. It’s only a negative.

synceDD,
@synceDD@lemmy.world avatar

sure if wasting your money adds to your enjoyment go ahead, the rest of us gonna have a laugh though

Fraylor,

He said, standing by himself.

synceDD,
@synceDD@lemmy.world avatar

what’s the criteria for that? no comment likes? lmao

Fraylor,

Idk, what’s the criteria for assuming everyone or even a group of people agrees with you?

synceDD,
@synceDD@lemmy.world avatar

You brought it up you tell me

Cethin,

What? Wasting money by not wasting my time on something not enjoyable?

synceDD,
@synceDD@lemmy.world avatar

Wasting money by buying the not enjoyable thing, pay attention

Cethin,

First: I didn’t.

Second: Some people find the game enjoyable enough. Not every part will be though. If I turn off the startup logo shit, am I wasting my money? That’s part of the vanilla experience that I’m now missing, right? How is this different if not?

synceDD,
@synceDD@lemmy.world avatar

Tfw you consider gameplay equal to company logo, lmfao go ahead bro it’s your money I’m just having a laugh

Cethin,

Tfw you consider that part gameplay.

I’ve got better stuff to do with my time then those temples and that more important than any “value” I lose not engaging in it. However, how is it valuable to do? If it isn’t enjoyable, it wastes time, and I don’t get anything for it, isn’t that the reverse of value? Isn’t the smart thing to do removing it? Wtf is wrong with you where you’d want to engage with something you don’t enjoy?

synceDD,
@synceDD@lemmy.world avatar

Tfw I consider gameplay, gameplay. Well whatever helps you cope

Wtf is wrong with you where you’d want to engage with something you don’t enjoy?

The part where you dont want to engage with it and still paid for it 🤣

Cethin,

Dude, read. I didn’t pay for it. Damn, you’re annoying. I’m done. I’m not sure why I responded so many times when you’re clearly a troll, or at least as good as one.

synceDD,
@synceDD@lemmy.world avatar

Obviously Im referring to the game when I say paid, not the mod that would be even funnier, well if being intentionally obtuse helps u cope like when youre equating logo to gameplay, so be it

Cethin,

I didn’t pay for the game.

synceDD,
@synceDD@lemmy.world avatar

The majority did which is what my original comment was addressing, if you didn’t I was obviously not referring to you

Aermis,

So you clearly didn’t buy the game or play it. Why are you even here?

synceDD,
@synceDD@lemmy.world avatar

If assumptions make you feel better for removing stuff you paid for, go ahead as well

Dr_Cog,
@Dr_Cog@mander.xyz avatar

Tell me more about what is being removed and why you enjoy it so much you want to keep it in

birbboidaseed, do games w Todd Howard says Starfield was 'made to be played for a long time,' but a month after launch I'm already drifting away

This game feels more like a chore with a million fetch quests. I never made it out of new Atlantis in my play through. Bg3 is so much more nuance and a way better game.

Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow,

The one truly great thing about Skyrim is the ability to just wander and fall into trouble.

That simply doesn’t exist in a game where travelling is a loading screen.

birbboidaseed,

Yeah I don’t know why they can’t make space travel to work similar to NMS. That would have been so much better. I don’t really feel like I’m exploring anything jumping from system to system. Hell even planets to planets.

Kolanaki, (edited )
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Yeah I don’t know why they can’t make space travel to work similar to NMS

Because the Creation Engine is a pile of shit stacked on top of another pile of shit known as Gamebryo. The only way it even is able to handle high speed vehicles for the space combat is by having much smaller external cells with absolutely nothing in them.

What they could have done, though, is make the planets fully walkable. For some reason, those are also not seamless. You eventually hit invisible walls in any sector you land at. The engine is very capable of handling that, though. Especially if it’s just empty terrain.

Skwerls,

Seriously, I wish they had dropped that engine. It’s so hodge podge and lacking, they had a decade to make starfield in a new to them engine. Instead we get this shit in 2023

Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow,

Can’t believe Bethesda own id Software and at no point set them to work updating the engine to a modern standard.

emmie, do games w A heroic Starfield modder just straight-up deleted those repetitive temple 'puzzles' from the game

I like starfield overall but it definietly is a weaker game than skyrim

The1Morrigan,

FULLY agreed.

CoffeeBreakfast, do games w A heroic Starfield modder just straight-up deleted those repetitive temple 'puzzles' from the game

Are you able to load these mods on console, or is the game just unplayable?

Endorkend, do games w A heroic Starfield modder just straight-up deleted those repetitive temple 'puzzles' from the game
@Endorkend@kbin.social avatar

Now yank out the rest of the boring Starfuckers plot. The game is worse because of the main "story" (and NG+ shite).

FippleStone,

Starfuckers INC.

Psaldorn, (edited ) do games w A heroic Starfield modder just straight-up deleted those repetitive temple 'puzzles' from the game
@Psaldorn@lemmy.world avatar

I saw a bit of those on stream and thought maybe the time affected the quality of the result… but no. It’s just filler shit to get your space dragon speech spell or whatever. Then the enemies are all bullet sponges. It all seemed very transparent and very familiar.

reksas, do games w Warfare MMO Foxhole is adding naval combat complete with huge multi-person ships

Sounds cool, but in practice it might be just more things to do for huge regiments while those who dont want to dedicate their entire lives to the game or join some big group barely get to even see the things. I hope i’m wrong.

Fjor, do games w Warfare MMO Foxhole is adding naval combat complete with huge multi-person ships

Always love you ved the idea behind this game. Might pick it up next sale

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