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grahamja, do gaming w GameStop Boss Says Disc Drives Should Be Required On Game Consoles

Disc drive consoles are great for people who go months with terrible or no internet. People in the military, or just about anyone who goes out to sea can get a disc mailed to them. It is nice to have physical media to play the games off of.

bdonvr, do gaming w GameStop Boss Says Disc Drives Should Be Required On Game Consoles

Discs suck, other than for used game sales and collecting.

But used games sales is a huge plus. But realistically I think we’ll see maybe one more console generation with physical media.

ApathyTree, (edited )
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

When physical media dies, I no longer have a good reason to buy consoles… that’s literally the whole reason I bother with them - I like browsing through the cases to pick games to play.

I have through ps5, and plan to get a series s or whatever the newest with-optical Xbox is (because I can skip the one, nicely backward compatible), but that’s likely where I end the console journey. As it is now it’s getting harder to find physical copies because so many people only have them digitally. The used game market is already ruined for modern consoles, and I’m not paying full price to rent a game.

I don’t support that user-hostile model. I’ll just pirate all that shit on pc.

angstylittlecatboy, (edited ) do gaming w GameStop Boss Says Disc Drives Should Be Required On Game Consoles

I don’t disagree (or at least there should be a disc drive-included version and the ability to connect any USB Blu-Ray drive,) but obviously GameStop has a motive here.

And I think disc based games should have a legal requirement to have a playable version of the game on disc.

xtremeownage, do gaming w GameStop Boss Says Disc Drives Should Be Required On Game Consoles

Honestly, I am all good with getting rid of the drives.

I hardly ever touch CDs these days. I keep a spare USB reader, for making a backup copy of a music CD or movie DVD/Blueray, which I use, maybe twice a year.

I have boxes of DVDs and Blu-ray in the garage, and I don’t ever use them. Matter of fact, if I wanted to use them, I’d have to go find a blueray player to actually play them with.

I do all of my gaming on PC, and I don’t think I have physically purchased a game in over a decade. Steam/GoG are both quite nice.

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Fucking hope they nail it. Would be a first time in any PoE game for me. Please let it happen.

nosurprises, (edited ) do gaming w GameStop Boss Says Disc Drives Should Be Required On Game Consoles

I agree. If they ban you by mistake (which happens), it can be very hard and even impossible to appeal successfully. There were many stories about that. No one guarantees that your story will gain traction and attention, forcing the company to help you in order to avoid loss of reputation. With physical copies you don’t lose your library at least.

dingus, (edited ) do gaming w GameStop Boss Says Disc Drives Should Be Required On Game Consoles
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I thought GameStop was going all in on NFTs and bragging about how it was going to revolutionize the gaming space because you could be more “invested” in the things because you really “own” (hahahaha, fucking as if) your own copy.

Oh, wait, *checks notes

They totally are winding that down and going “whoopsie doodles!”

arstechnica.com/…/gamestop-citing-regulatory-unce…

Ryan Cohen making a quick spin because he’s a fucking idiot, and the only thing he has to sell is an “idea” of a company that respects its consumers. GameStop ain’t it Superstonkers. This guy literally went from “You’ll be buying all your games as NFTs at GameStop” to “Errm, yeah, we need physical drives, you know for the gamers, not so we can continue ripping people off with used games.” What a fucking joke. He didn’t care about physical media six months ago because he was all-in on NFTs.

GameStop gonna get Toys ‘R’ Us’d hard. If this is the best Cohen’s got right now, they’ve got nothing.

wtfeweguys,

The regulatory environment isnt doing the NFT-based game ownership model any favors.

dingus, (edited )
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

NFTs and how they only hold enough data to point to a URL aren’t doing the model any favors. NFTs have been a joke since they were initially released. They don’t show ownership of an item, they show a re-direct to a URL where an item you might be able to claim is yours exists.

The people who bought into the idea of “smart contracts” in NFTs got taken for a fucking ride. There’s simply not enough BITS to be able to store such data within an NFT. The best they can do is a URL.

www.enchant.com/what-is-nft-ownership

wtfeweguys, (edited )

Yeah I dunno man. NFTs at least allow for a softening of the walls in the garden. The potential is there for fun and interesting ideas like interoperability between games and game assets, and 3rd party platforms for buying, selling, and interacting with games and game assets.

At minimum it’s a combined digital proof of purchase and login credentials that you can custody yourself and transfer/sell at will without being forced to do so through the makers’ infrastructure.

People shitting on it seem to default to an oversimplified idea of what they are and can be, and a bad faith superiority on top.

That’s not something I get down with. I like new tech. I like experimentation. And I like seeing where things go rather than assuming I already know.

dingus, (edited )
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

I can own digital files just fine without needing all that unnecessary bullshit. It’s the copyright cabal that says I don’t “own” them.

Funny, because I have the files stored on a physical drive. If that drive is destroyed, so are the items stored on it. Ergot, data is real and physical. You can already own it physically. NFTs are actually just one more way for wall street to justify the bullshit ways copyright doesn’t work.

Because nothing is stopping digital “ownership” from existing as it currently exists, except people who don’t like the idea that data can be copied infinitely at no cost.

This is why I never took off my pirate hat, because it’s just a bunch of tomfoolery to make you think things don’t already work this way. They do, computing always allowed data to be copied infinitely. It’s jerks who try to code locks to hide them behind who are the problem.

It’s also why I buy games at GOG, because they respect this. They sell games with no DRM and understand that this means piracy will happen, but do it anyway because it’s the right thing to do.

Copy that floppy, motherfucker.

wtfeweguys,

What if that digital file is the title to your car, deed to your home, your college degree, passport, driver’s license, etc?

Living in a digital world there are IMO fascinating use cases for unique (read non-copyable, self-custodied) digital objects.

What I’m not interested in are assumptions of limitations for things we barely understand.

dingus, (edited )
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What if that digital file is the title to your car, deed to your home, your college degree, passport, driver’s license, etc?

If you destroy the hard drive they’re stored on, it’s no different than burning a piece of paper they’re written on. Data is always stored in a medium, whether it’s paper or a disk drive. So for digital files like that, you would choose a storage medium that is rated for long-term storage and put it in a fireproof safe. Done.

You’re basically asking “what if you lose the title to your car?” Well, there’s plenty of ways to get a replacement title, even though they’re not easy or free.

The bottom line is data is real and it’s always in a storage medium. The storage medium is what you should be worried about more.

Oh wait, that NFT you “own” is stored on someone else’s server? Oh wait, I guess you don’t own it then, because that data is on a hard drive owned by someone else in the “cloud” and if they destroy that drive, they also destroyed the item you ostensibly “own.”

Oh the server with my Title Deed for my home went down and now I have no proof I own my own home? Probably should have kept a copy of the file locally!

There is nothing interesting about NFTs because they’re a fundamental, nay, purposeful misunderstanding of what data is and how it works.

wtfeweguys, (edited )

Sorry my question was poorly formed. You were talking about digital files being stored perfectly fine on a local medium. I was talking about new use cases for unique digital objects, and gave examples of different kinds of existing credentials/titles.

dingus, (edited )
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

A scan of my Title Deed or my Vehicle Title will already be unique digital files. They can be copied infinitely so I can never lose track of them. I can even take a hash of the original file and always keep that around to make sure I’m always dealing with an original copy.

What does storing it on someone else’s property (server) and just linking to it actually achieve for me, as a person? The NFT does not change the data of the original file in any way, it’s just a hash-check itself in many ways.

Would you be okay with storing your car in someone else’s garage that you couldn’t actually see or access, but were told was secure? That’s what you’re doing with an NFT. You’re putting the actual item you own on someone else’s private property, and then claiming that a piece of paper that shows ownership (NFT) is all you need to get it back. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn’t.

An NFT is much more a “certificate of authenticity” than it is a title of ownership.

wtfeweguys, (edited )

¯*(ツ)*/¯

senoro, do gaming w GameStop Boss Says Disc Drives Should Be Required On Game Consoles

Look, I love having a blu ray player embedded into my console. But the fact of the matter is, a lot of these consoles have decently high end blu ray players in, and they are expensive. Consider the fact that low end consoles such as Xbox Series S are probably losing money for every sale. Asking them to tack on another feature means they either increase the price of the console or lose even more money on every console sale.

You should have the option to select a digital or a disc version of a console. Maybe even be able to pay extra to upgrade the blu ray player inside your console to a higher quality or more capable one for those who want them.

Techmaster, do gaming w GameStop Boss Says Disc Drives Should Be Required On Game Consoles

They should keep putting whip holders in cars.

cloudless, do gaming w GameStop Boss Says Disc Drives Should Be Required On Game Consoles
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Yeah keep that mindset and follow Blockbuster’s fate.

Guildo,

Besides Gamestop - I think it could be important. What if the servers shut up in the future? How do you get your purchased games?

freeman,

You download them and back them up. What happens if the disc is scratched or your buddy drops a blunt on it?

InvertedParallax,

If they’re purely digital and drmed you can’t back them up.

freeman,

I have backups of my PS4, with games downloaded from the PS store that say different.

Heck any Playstation disc games tries multiple times to get you to save it to the HDD.

ampersandrew,
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The DRM is the key part of that. So the answer is DRM-free, not physical media. Especially since all games get patched these days.

Guildo,

You can’t buy all games at GOG.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

You can't buy all games on disc either. Also, not every game on Steam has DRM.

Oneeightnine,
!deleted4231 avatar

Your buddy buys you a new disk…

jmcs,

If it’s still being published or if a second hand copy doesn’t cost more than your buddy’s annual wage.

iAmTheTot,
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What fucking second hand games are you buying? Beloved classics aren't that expensive.

TwilightVulpine,

In retrospect there were some advantages to Blockbuster compared to streaming services where stuff disappears every day.

dingus, (edited )
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

Six months ago Cohen didn’t give a flying fuck about disc drives because he was selling the idea that you would soon buy all your games from GameStop on an NFT marketplace that they recently had to shut down because the SEC is cracking down on NFTs as Securities.

He gives a fuck now because his golden goose got shot in the head.

Quentinp, do gaming w GameStop Boss Says Disc Drives Should Be Required On Game Consoles
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I have an XBox One S (and a PC) - really hits home when in Game Stop with my kids and they were looking around (mainly for figures and such), and i’m like “there’s nothing for me here”. Of course I haven’t bought a physical PC title in over 10 years now that I think of it. I feel for the shop owners, they haven nothing for me to buy and I used to like going to shop around. Come to think of it I used to go to book stores quite often too, but not since i got my first kindle.

I did recently re-buy an Xbox 360 and it is kind of nice to browse second hand shops and such and just pickup a game that I can just play without internet etc.

trex, do gaming w GameStop Boss Says Disc Drives Should Be Required On Game Consoles

I wonder why they would want that

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The patch triggered a new dialogue for me... and then it's right back to the charnel house. Still can't dismiss her.

CraigeryTheKid, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 Hotfix 5 Fixes Missing Dialogue For Minthara Romance

I wonder how long I should wait for diminishing returns on the patch rate to jump into the game. I’m in no rush, I know I’ll play it eventually.

Poopfeast420,
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For the best experience, and if you're only going to play through it once, Larian has released Enhanced Editions about a year after their last two releases. The same thing will probably happen here, so late next year could be good. If you play these kinds of games multiple times anyway, then it doesn't really matter. Even in the current state, it's an incredible game, so just go for it whenever.

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