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RickRussell_CA, do gaming w [Unconfirmed] Season 29 of Diablo 3 should begin on September 15.

Season 29… of a video game?

I’m kind of glad I don’t play in whatever ecosystem that is. It sounds exhausting.

finishsneezing,

Too many people just accept it. Maybe due to an apparent lack of alternatives, fomo and some sort of sunk cost fallacy addiction.

seliaste,
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Sunk cost fallacy is hard to see happening in a game where each season resets your characters

finishsneezing,

Not with money, but time and effort.

seliaste, (edited )
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Yes that’s also what I’m talking about
Your previous characters aren’t important anymore, it’s a fresh start all the time. On each new season there has been 0 previous time and effort investment

finishsneezing,

You have on the game as a whole, though. Mechanics, strategies, locations, weapons, lore, maybe friendships with other players. Hard to leave all that behind.

seliaste,
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Diablo seasons are just a character reset for those who enjoy them. It’s a huge part of a lot of ARPGs like Path of Exile or Diablo. As you can reach endgame in about 5 hours on diablo and have your complete build in 20, it makes sense.

ampersandrew,
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What does the season do differently that you can't do by just selecting a new character option from the main menu?

Silverhand,
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Enforces everyone to reset at the same time and not use gear and stuff from previous characters. Some people care about leaderboards and those usually reset at the same time. For other ARPGs with a trade economy that being reset is often the biggest draw, but that doesn’t apply to D3.

ampersandrew,
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But if you can complete a character in 20 hours, why not just have daily and weekly leaderboards? Why even have arbitrary seasons?

fffera,

I couldn’t give less of a fuck about leaderboards, but I enjoy seasons in D3, but not D4. In D3 you get to max level and get a set of pretty good gear in a few hours. I’m a casual player, I don’t play the entirety of the season because I kinda hit my limit and stop getting new shiny things and don’t feel like pushing it so I stop playing. Then a new season comes out, I’m like “I haven’t played Diablo in a bit, that sounds fun” and I do the same thing, smash monsters and get shiny things.

In D4 the new season landed and I just couldn’t be bothered to level again and it really killed the game for me, I’m kinda maxed out on non-seasonal, it gets to the point where you’re doing the same thing over and over for hours, or you push harder content where it takes forever to kill something and everything kills you in one hit. I just want to smash shit and get loot, I don’t want to level again if it takes more than a couple hours.

Basically seasons can be fun (also they test new content, that keeps things fresh) as long as you can jump right back into the game. Without it you have a ton of legendary items for every class so you just never really need new gear, you just grind for that single piece you need for a 2% upgrade.

Tldr I don’t want to grind, I just want to smash baddies, and I’m basically a bird collecting shiny shit. D3 enables that, D4 doesn’t. It’s all about implementation.

melroy, do games w What do you think is a good required completion time for video games? What examples come to mind of games that felt just right?
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atlasraven31, do games w What do you think is a good required completion time for video games? What examples come to mind of games that felt just right?

A session should be doable in 2 hrs or less (a single RTS game). Vampire Survivors nails it for short and sweet but I love open ended creation like Factorio.

nottheengineer, do games w What do you think is a good required completion time for video games? What examples come to mind of games that felt just right?

Some games like Ultrakill are short and sweet, but others like Factorio can keep you busy for weeks. Both of them felt right for me, but then again I have quite a bit of free time.

If you like shooters, check out anything from New Blood, Turbo Overkill and Postal brain danaged. Those games are segmented into individual levels, which is great for when you just have half an hour.

ezures,

Theres one way to make ultrakill last forever https://lemmy.wtf/pictrs/image/df2627d0-5006-4a62-ac7e-1eb5bea0908d.jpeg

eagleeyedtiger, do games w What do you think is a good required completion time for video games? What examples come to mind of games that felt just right?

I think it’s highly dependent on the player. I’m not a completionist in any sense, I mainly play games to have fun. I stop playing them when I stop having fun. I’ve put down games after a few hours and I’ve played some for hundreds of hours.

The gameplay loop in that sense is important whether it remains fun and keeps me coming back. Time is short as you get older and I guess I don’t really care about beating games.

zipzoopaboop, do gaming w Looking for games with unique core mechanics

Donut county, you’re a hole in the ground growing as you consume the environment.

Katamari damacy, you’re a ball rolling over and collecting items in the environment and steering is like steering a canoe.

Octodad, be an octopus in a suit pretending to be human who can’t control his limbs properly. I am bread is similar.

MooMix, do gaming w [Unconfirmed] Season 29 of Diablo 3 should begin on September 15.
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Fuck Blizzard

admin,
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Would you care to elaborate?

MooMix, (edited )
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en.wikipedia.org/…/California_Department_of_Fair_…

Basically Activation and Blizzard with their sexual misconduct, harassment, and otherwise. Their CEO defending it. The allegations of toxic work environments, etc. It’s just not a company I support, despite the fact that I was a huge fan of their games. There’s a lot more information out there, but I don’t feel like going through it all. I’ll remove my post if you want.

Maybe I’m just being salty? I don’t think so though.

Edit: Sorry Chris, if I am out of line or didn’t provide enough info in my original post.

admin, (edited )
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I hear you and understand where you are coming from. If I were to dig down into every single product, that I use in my day-to-day existence, then I’d probably find dirt everywhere. I’m not sure what I’d do at that point. Throw the baby out with the bathwater? It’s a tough position to be in.

MooMix, (edited )
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No doubt. I agree. I try to stay out of things for that reason, but this was big news for a couple years and is still going on. As a gamer, it was unavoidable. The number of reports coming out of that company is concerning. But I do try to separate art from the artist when I can.

Abrslam, do games w What do you think is a good required completion time for video games? What examples come to mind of games that felt just right?

Number of hours doesn’t really come into it these days compared with how fun the game is for me. I’m nearly 40, and whether or not a game is engaging is most important. I’ve got about 50hrs into Avernum: Escape from the Pit (a retro style isometric RPG), but I’ve got nearly 80hrs into Teslapunk, my favourite Shmup(completing the game takes about an hour).I Iove Dark Souls 1 and 3, Bloodborne, and Sekiro, but eventually got bored of Elden Ring and its open world.

Ultimately how fun a game is combined with how painless it is to get started is what I’m most interested in these days. I don’t have enough free time to be worrying if there are enough hours of gameplay.

MomoTimeToDie, do games w What do you think is a good required completion time for video games? What examples come to mind of games that felt just right?

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  • CorrodedCranium,
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    I get what you are saying. I think it also depends on how the game is divided up. If it’s just one continuous romp with autosave points it can feel like it’s dragging on but if there’s clearcut levels and checkpoints I feel like it helps divide up a game into digestible chunks.

    I feel like that’s not really present with a lot of open world or sandbox games

    a_cup_of_rohan, do gaming w Starfield has made me obsessed with no man’s sky

    Opposite for me, NMS made spend nearly days of game time so far into Starfield, NMS too hectic I feel.

    dbilitated,
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    sorry? I can’t parse this comment at all

    dino,

    you are not alone, some Bethesda bot not using chatgpt properly.

    a_cup_of_rohan,

    NMS, Starfield good, for me that is. Does that compute matey?

    dbilitated,
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    sort of? are you saying you just really like both, or no man’s sky makes you want to play starfield? either way it’s all good, it was just a head scratcher for me.

    tsonfeir, do games w What do you think is a good required completion time for video games? What examples come to mind of games that felt just right?
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    I like a game I can keep playing forever. I just want to disappear in it.

    CorrodedCranium,
    @CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

    Do you like online games that continuously receive new content? Like subscription based games for example

    KevonLooney,

    Why would you get those? Just get a game that never ends, like Factorio. Or a competitive online game with individual servers.

    CorrodedCranium,
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    I mean some people like the comradarie of tackling a story together. I wish I knew enough people to be one of those people at times

    tsonfeir,
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    Well, I’ve played GTA online for 10 years and not paid a dime, yet get new content every few months.

    Klaymore,
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    Beware of Factorio

    Gbagginsthe3rd, do games w What do you think is a good required completion time for video games? What examples come to mind of games that felt just right?

    These days (I’m 37) its not about the time taken but whether a game just feels like work.

    I know that would be different for everyone. But I pumped 140+ hours into Eldenring. Loved every battle and experience. But most other games after a few hours if it feels more like work than fun then I give up. Time is too precious and I’m already overworked.

    I can see why easy mode exists now, I want a sense of fulfilment and experience but I dont want a game to create unnecessary work

    CorrodedCranium,
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    Maybe that’s part of the reason why I value shorter games. I know if it does hit a lull I can push through it

    demonquark,

    I love RPGs. But I inevitably spend more time planning out my character class, organizing my inventory, keeping track of quests, etc. Then I actually spend “playing” the game.

    It’s an enjoyable play style, I mean I’m choosing to do this. But, it means that every RPG game I see immediately becomes a massive time sink. I’m too employed to ever really enjoy an RPG. :(

    Ubettawerk,

    Ugh this is me with D:OS2 right now. I’m still in Act 1 but I spend more time looking up class builds and reading guides online than actually playing the damn game. I’m probably only going to ever have time to play it once so it gives me major FOMO not being 100% happy with my choices before progressing further :/

    ryathal,

    Similar for me. I get maybe 2 hours on a good day that I can actually play games. I’m not wasting that grinding levels or hunting down 200 feathers. I also don’t like games that spoonfeed advancement way to slowly in the beginning, I don’t want to spend 15 hours in a game just to get to the point where the combat system is actually fleshed out fully.

    hascat, do gaming w Looking for games with unique core mechanics

    Death Stranding makes the player think about how to walk over difficult terrain with a large amount of cargo on their back without losing their balance and falling down. Most games allow you to run as far and recklessly as you want without having to worry about falling, so it was interesting to actually have to work at it, at least before you unlock various modes of transportation.

    Euphoma, do gaming w Valve's next mystery gadget...

    It’s pretty likely that its the Deckard, because we know they’ve been working on that for years, even before the Steam Deck was announced. I don’t think that Valve has been working on any other hardware lately. It’ll be pretty hype if it actually is, though I kinda bought my Index last year so I’m not hyped about it being obselete.

    averyminya,

    To be fair, if you only bought it last year the headset already was outdated. Great refresh rate, ghastly resolution in comparison to the Vive/Pico/WMR headset. (It still looks fine, it’s just in comparison)

    That said, it comes down to reliability and the software you want. I got the Reverb G2 because of the display resolution, but I wanted the Index Knuckles because those are unparalleled. But I’m also dealing with WMR, which is nice for somethings (openXR) and very annoying for others (actually using MixedVR, the G2 headset and Index Knuckles).

    Also I’d be surprised if the next version just wasn’t compatible with the previous generation. So you may be able to just buy the deckard headset and you already have the rest. That’s what I’m hoping for, as I want a SteamVR headset with the resolution of my G2 :(

    Euphoma,

    Yeah I know it was outdated, but people were saying it was gonna be 7 years till the next headset, and the Index is the best headset for getting into basestations these days still. Pimax has really bad headsets in most aspects besides fov, and HTC hasn’t released a good headset in years.

    According to rumors the deckard should be compatible with basestations, so I should be able to get the headset standalone.

    In my opinion the Index resolution is as good as the quest 2 though so it wasn’t that bad in comparison to other headsets when I got it.

    Squiddy, do games w What game has a great story and is worth the time investment?

    I see Undertale but not Deltarune. If you haven’t tried it yet, the two released chapters are free.

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