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TheLeadenSea, do games w Day 359 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing

Those graphics are beautiful! What hardware are you running it on?

drmoose, do games w Krafton Issue Statement Regarding Subnautica 2

Lmao as usual gamers rush in with outrage and turns out the issue is not that simple.

psx_crab,

Without outrage, they won’t even consider putting out a statement.

masterspace,

That’s not why people get outraged, they get outraged because it’s addictive and they spend too much time on social media.

ChicoSuave,

You must not trust anyone you know.

masterspace,

I do, I don’t trust the outraged opinions of people using the outrage machine.

paultimate14,

After the last decade or more of people complaining about greedy publishers forcing devs to release half-baked messes too early (Cyberpunk, No Man’s Sky, etc), it feels like I’m living in a bizarro world to see so much criticism for a publisher delaying a game to (allegedly) make it better.

drmoose,

Subnautica 2 must be in a pretty dire spot for this to happen. I guess we’ll see as the story unrolls and early access comes eventually but I’ve met many successful people who stopped caring after they made it big (which is fine but then just quit) so I really wouldn’t be surprised if the publisher is right here.

Chill_Dan, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Avast ye matey!

PonyOfWar, do games w Krafton Issue Statement Regarding Subnautica 2

Always good to let this kind of drama develop for a couple weeks before passing any judgement. Not to say I fully believe the publisher’s narrative either. But maybe it’s not the time for grandiose proclamations of a boycott yet.

Konraddo, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Honestly, I do not plan to buy it after Below Zero. Now that they did all the evil stuff I guess my decision is well justified.

spankmonkey, do games w Krafton Issue Statement Regarding Subnautica 2
@spankmonkey@lemmy.world avatar

However, instead of participating in the game development, he chose to focus on a personal film project.

My assumption is that Krafton expected the leads to put in 12 hour days 7 days a week to meet ridiculous expectations and the leads took some vacation time or something along those lines. That would match up with common publisher behavior, especially the ones that trash people publicly.

masterspace,

To be fair, they didn’t trash anyone publicly until they basically had to.

spankmonkey,
@spankmonkey@lemmy.world avatar

They did not have any reason to personally attack the leads except out of spite, and odds are high that doing so will only anger the player base towards the publisher.

Trashing the devs was a terrible idea, and what they wrote was clearly petty and spiteful.

masterspace,

They did not have any reason to personally attack the leads except out of spite,

Lol what the honest fuck are you talking about?

They were facing a boycott because it seemed like they fired the original creators to avoid paying the employees.

They could have issued a statement saying that they would still pay the remaining employees and everyone would assume that they still fired the creators out of greed reasons. If the creators actually didn’t do their jobs, then they would want to make it clear that they are the ones actually committed to making a good game and this has nothing to do with greed.

That may not be the case, but at present we simply do not know what the reality of the situation was.

spankmonkey,
@spankmonkey@lemmy.world avatar

A publisher trashing devs of a beloved game with personal attacks certainly was a bold move.

However, instead of participating in the game development, he chose to focus on a personal film project.

We are deeply disappointed by the former leadership’s conduct, and above all, we feel a profound sense of betrayal by their failure to honor the trust placed in them by our fans.

So professional!

masterspace,

If that description is accurate then there’s nothing unprofessional about that.

What would be unprofessional in that situation is the original devs not doing their jobs and then allowing a fan backlash to grow.

Again, we don’t know the reality of the situation. I think everyone would be curious to hear from other devs at the studio that aren’t part of management or the three who were fired but we haven’t yet.

TheTetrapod,

Your second example is a perfectly worded admonishment, if the claims are true. Sunlight is the best disinfectant and all that.

Poopfeast420, (edited )
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

My assumption is that Krafton expected the leads to put in 12 hour days 7 days a week to meet ridiculous expectations and the leads took some vacation time or something along those lines.

This is from the lead himself, on his movie production website:

I’m Charlie Cleveland and I’ve been designing video games for over 25 years. I founded Unknown Worlds and built games like Natural Selection, Natural Selection 2, Subnautica and Moonbreaker. I absolutely love making games but wanted to try something new.

At the end of 2023, I left San Francisco after almost 20 years and moved to Los Angeles to reset my life. Instead of taking it easy, I now find myself working on multiple film projects. It’s amazing how fast it’s all happening - being right in the thick of things makes it so much easier to meet like-minded people!

Also, according to this link, he’s taking a break from making video games, for at least a couple of months now, before all this stuff was out.

It might not be as one-sided as you think. But right now it’s he said, she said, so nobody really knows.

spankmonkey,
@spankmonkey@lemmy.world avatar

Early release was supposed to be in 2024. We have halfway through 2025.

Lead devs have said the game is ready for early release, so they are likely taking a break from a game they feel is being delayed by the publisher. The publisher is whining about expectations, not obligations or anything along those lines.

I’m with the devs on this one, project burnout is real.

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The leads allegedly also were looking to gain $225 Million dollars (supposedly 90% of a $250 Million bonus), so of course they are saying the game is ready.

Charlie Cleveland did say they were going to split the bonus with the team, but imma be honest, why not put that into writing? Why take that huge cut in the first place, and then trust that the leads are going to do the right thing.

I don’t think at this point you can really be sure of anything. Since the former leads have said they’ve filed a lawsuit (but not for what they’re suing), it’ll most likely come out at one point.

spankmonkey,
@spankmonkey@lemmy.world avatar

The publisher delaying the game would allow them to keep the $225 million so of course they are going to say it isn’t ready.

See how this works?

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Yes. That’s why I said nobody really knows at this point, except the people involved.

lightnsfw,

The devs rushing the game out half added results in them getting $225M. So they have incentive to be shitty too. I don’t know enough about any of them to say which is more likely but that logic goes both ways.

kieron115, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Subnautica is one of those games that’s incredible hard to recreate. Once they started trying to explain every little thing about the aliens I completely lost interest. You may be able to bottle lightning, but you certainly can’t do it twice.

AusatKeyboardPremi, do games w I am working on a turn-based wargame, influenced by the old Win3.x era WinWar 2 game

I had to read more than once to realise it is not a game about WinRAR.

Having said that, all the best with the development, and may the game find love and success. :-)

Agent_Karyo, (edited )
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

I had to read more than once to realise it is not a game about WinRAR.

I had the same issue. I was actually genuinely interested about how a wargame was made about WinRAR.

I can understand a business tycoon game where you have to develop a compression/archive software company. Very, very nerdy, but there is a logic here.

A wargame about WinRAR? That’s a whole different level.

CreatingMachines, do games w Krafton Issue Statement Regarding Subnautica 2

Hey, might not have a rat in this race, but I'm gonna wait for a bit, ever since DOOM.

TabbsTheBat, do gaming w I'm still in full denial, personally.
@TabbsTheBat@pawb.social avatar

Happened to me ages ago :3

I don’t play enough competitive games to care anyway tho

TheAlbatross, do gaming w I'm still in full denial, personally.

Oh no I no longer can play the incredibly toxic matchmaking multi-player games and instead have to enjoy the automation, exploration, story, management and strategy games I’ve always loved

IDew,

Factorio, my beloved

capuccino,
@capuccino@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah. Now I only have like 3 hours to play by day and I’m not gonna waste them in losing.

newthrowaway20, do gaming w I'm still in full denial, personally.

Jokes on you. I never had the skills to begin with.

Zephorah, do gaming w I'm still in full denial, personally.

It just means it’s time for solo 4x and single player RPGs.

pennomi,

A huge Rimworld expansion drops today. Solo game players have never had it better.

Korhaka,

omg its today? I know what I am doing all weekend then.

pennomi,

I’m stuck at work right now just dying to play it

DoucheBagMcSwag,

Single player and PvE superiority

Gradually_Adjusting, do gaming w I'm still in full denial, personally.
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

This is the real reason to have kids. I’m not up on the Mario Kart meta, but I’ll whup my seven year old around rainbow road any damn day.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

Getting there. I’m introducing my oldest (3) to all the Mario games now.

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Super recommend Mario and the Rainbow Stars! It’s a free fan game with a ton of fun moments. They’ll have fun watching, and you’ll get something new to keep your interest.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

Never heard of that one, but will look it up. Thanks!

SalamenceFury, do gaming w I'm still in full denial, personally.
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly the opposite happened to me. I’m 31 and I’ve been playing much better in terms of aiming than any other time ten or 20 years ago.

inlandempire,
@inlandempire@jlai.lu avatar

Same, maturing and looking at things more intelligently made me better at online games. Still average to be honest, but I was really bad as a kid

capuccino,
@capuccino@lemmy.world avatar

By the time, I got better at puzzle resolving games. Has been a while since a get stuck in a videogame.

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