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Guest, do Technologia w What is an E1/T1 Gateway?

The off-road drive created a surge of excitement while the safari dubai tours peaceful camel ride brought a touch of calm and charm.

bamboo, do games w Does the 2 hour refund limit on Steam affect game design?

I haven’t heard of the game but see that it’s going for $27. For me at least, buying a $27 game, I’d expect 10 hours minimum of enjoyable gameplay, which throws the free refund out the window if it would deliver.

It could be possible that they wanted to increase their game length to justify the price and stretched things if the first 80 minutes were tedious and slow. I’m sure there’s some consideration to front load the enjoyment into the first few hours, with or without the refund, but I would assume lesser priced games would focus on that and not one going for this price.

3dmvr,

gotta avoid sunk cost, I used to buy 30$ games and say if I got 10 hours its worth it when I didnt enjoy the game and wouldve been better off spending my time (which is always more valuable than the amountt of money lost on a game 20-70$) elsewhere

bamboo,

Right yeah enjoyable entertainment is my requirement, why pay for something and waste my time if I’m not having fun

tal, do games w Does the 2 hour refund limit on Steam affect game design?
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The other elephant in the room is if steam refunds are meant as a demo for everything or just to check technical issues like FPS and network connection issues

I’m pretty sure that the refund window isn’t primarily intended to create an ad-hoc demo of games, but to let you return a game that doesn’t function correctly on your system.

Game developers who do want to create a demo can (though I’ll admit that it’s a less-common route than one might expect).

store.steampowered.com/demos/

I usually read review content, maybe watch a YouTube video of someone playing the game if I want to see gameplay.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KePY3IfxqOQ

TyrianMollusk,
@TyrianMollusk@lemm.ee avatar

I’ve seen many devs cite the refund window as why they don’t need to bother maintaining a demo. They’re wrong about not needing a proper demo, but people definitely do treat the refund window as a demo phase, not merely a technical test.

who, do games w Does the 2 hour refund limit on Steam affect game design?

IMHO, two hours is not nearly enough to get a feel for a game. At least, not for the sorts of games I tend to play. I spend longer than that just working through initial technical issues, configuration, and (in games that have one) the character generator.

I have to conclude that Steam’s return window is either intended to be just enough to see if you can get it running, or as much as Valve could talk publishers into tolerating.

dumblederp,
@dumblederp@aussie.zone avatar

I got stuck with COD6 because of that shit. It’s a boring game and it wasn’t cheap.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Dragon’s Dogma 2 for me.

shneancy,

imo the 2h refund window is not so you can judge if you’ll like the game, it’s so you can judge if you can tolerate it long enough to form an informed opinion

there’s been a few games i played under 2h of and thought to myself “this is terrible, i’m not having fun and i actively dislike playing this”, Steam’s no questions asked refund was a cure for regret i’d have felt if i had to see that game in my library forever. Games that i know take much longer to judge i borrow from a friend who’s into fitness and a girl, that’s what saved me from buying Starfield or Avowed

warm,

I use the the refund window to see if a game is using deferred rendering, if it is, instant refund.

Katana314,

Two hours is the length of some high-budget media; eg, movies and plays.

I know that some games are slow-burn, but that’s something people have to weigh themselves. Ideally, you’d enjoy the slow burn itself. When I tried to “force myself through to the Good Part of Nier Automata”, I ended up hating the whole thing.

trd, do games w What's a cancelled game you really miss?

C&C Generals 2, they got canceled and then made in to a mobile game. I considerd staying 10 hours in line to try it out at gamescom in köln 10-12 years ago, decided to get drunk instead.

droning_in_my_ears,

Yeah that was a letdown for sure. Still better than releasing it as a mobile game I think.

If you haven’t heard they recently released the source code of C&C generals and zero hour and there’s multiple efforts working on a community patch.

I’ve been watching the competitive scene of zero hour for a few years now. It’s really exciting and now that the source code’s out, sky’s the limit on what we can achieve.

bjoern_tantau, do gaming w Oblivion "remastered"
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We’ve known since the 2010s that brown equals realism.

fckreddit,

Yes, in polluted cities.

racketlauncher831,

brown

This trend is quite an explosion.

BuboScandiacus,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

Piss*

ALilOff,

Add a tiny splash of yellow tint then we get Mexico

mriormro,
Jumi, do games w What's a cancelled game you really miss?

Star Wars 1313 and Battlefront 3.

And for books it’s the unfinished Republic/Imperial Commando series by Karen Traviss

Ephera, do gaming w Oblivion "remastered"

Oblivion Remexicoed.

Kyrgizion, do gaming w Oblivion "remastered"

I was so excited. Until I saw it’s going to be UE5. Ah well, Skyblivion it is for me then.

accideath,

Apparently UE5 only for rendering, the game logic still on the old gamebryo engine.

Because if done well, UE5 is fairly pretty and if it’s used just for graphics, maybe it won’t perform as badly either. The mixture of two engines tells me at the very least that the devs spent some amount of thought and time on the engine(s).

But yea, when it comes out and I find out it runs like crap on my 5700xt, I’ll just wait until Skyblivion is out. Not gonna be too long anyways.

catloaf,

That’s disappointing. So it’s going to have all the logic bugs of gamebryo plus that same annoying graphical feel of UE5

accideath,

Depends on how much work they put into the graphics. Sure, if they keep UE at default settings, it’ll look like any run of the mill UE5 game. But if they cared enough to combine two engines, maybe they also cared enough to actually make UE5 look and feel more unique and more Elderscrolls-y…

Also, keeping gamebryo for logic might be a good thing to make the game feel more like the original.

vxx,

It’s Bethesda. They probably did it in a couple months trying to recoup money after the Starfield desaster.

tetris11, do gaming w Oblivion "remastered"
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

Fallen from grace, because I’ve been away too long

ImplyingImplications, do gaming w Oblivion "remastered"

The ghosting of the sword, the overly wavy reflections in water, the sun burning your retinas. 15 frames of perfection every second!

TheOakTree,

You can actually get bonus ghosting if you switch to FSR Performance with frame gen!

Simulation6, do games w Does the 2 hour refund limit on Steam affect game design?

I will check out utube videos on the game before buying, if the game is over a certain price and a complex game. This will spoil some things, but it is usually not too bad.

ImplyingImplications, do games w Does the 2 hour refund limit on Steam affect game design?

You can always request a refund while outside the 2 hour limit, it’s just going to be manually reviewed instead of automatic.

The time limit is arbitrary. There are lots of games that can be finished within a few hours. I’ve heard some devs say their short games are refunded at much higher rates than longer ones and recommend ensuring a game is at least 2 hours long. It’s like YouTube paying more money to creators who make videos that are 10min+. Now you have videos that could have been 2 minutes stretched out for meta reasons.

I doubt Blue Prince specifically tries to hide game mechanics for 2 hours to prevent people from refunding it. It’s just a slow burn puzzle game.

SoloCritical,

This is the answer… the 2 hour “limit” is just the window in which it will almost certainly be automatically refunded… anything more than that 2 hour limit and they will actually look into your reason why… I’ve refunded games over the 2 hour limit for reasons like “game isn’t what I thought it would be” or “just not very fun” and I’ve never been turned down over it.

UnityDevice, do gaming w Oblivion "remastered"

The brown is bad, but to be fair to the right side, it’s the left one that has bad reflections and is blurry - it was released when bloom effects were new and it used them way too much.

TON618, (edited ) do gaming w The steam deck is just great

We have basicly everything you play games on, so also both of these. But the Steam Deck is absolutely the gigachad, even moreso than my actual gaming pc if you just look at hours used.

If you forced me to get rid of all my devices but one, it’d probably be the Steam Deck that’ll be left. And yes this consideration included my gaming pc and smartphone.

The only regret I have about buying the Steam Deck is being so late to the party. (i got it like 6 months ago)

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