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nnullzz, do games w Game wikis just aren't as popular anymore?

I get that wikis cost a little time and money to host and run them, but the studios/devs should offer up a wiki on release that could be moderated by a combo of employees and/or volunteers. They’re losing the opportunity to drive community engagement and keep it all close by letting these big wiki sites it up all the competition.

ono,

I like this idea in principle, but in practice, I suspect the same companies that often abandon games (and even whole platforms) would also discontinue their wikis. I would like information about the games I buy today to still be around when I play them again in ten or twenty years.

nnullzz,

That’s a good point. Fan hosted wikis have the same issue unless they’re maintained and funded by users. Big wiki companies are becoming scummy.

I get not every game is on steam, and not everyone games on PC, but maybe Steam could implement something like this as I don’t think they’re going anywhere anytime soon.

Or maybe we need to bring back good ol printed game guides.

jjjalljs,

Steam already hosts forums. Hosting a wiki wouldn’t be a big leap from that.

echo64,

It’s a little money, it’s a /lot/ of time. And for what, what does a company actually get by doing it themselves?

nnullzz,

The company wouldn’t be the ones in charge of handling the wikis content. It would be up to the community like is being done now in other cases.

I’m mainly saying that it would be helpful if they provided the space vs it being done by independent companies/orgs.

ono, (edited ) do games w whats your unconcious sign that you really really like the game you are playing

Avoiding main quest line advancements in order to make the game last as long as possible.

After overcoming a challenge, reverting my progress so I can try it another way, and then another.

Getting through real-life tasks as quickly as possible because I want to get back to the game.

Contemplating game characters and their motivations when I’m supposed to be trying to sleep.

GrimSheeper, (edited ) do games w whats your unconcious sign that you really really like the game you are playing

When I start taking screenshots waaaay too often, that’s when I know I’m really engrossed in it.

I do this especially often with EU4, like whenever I’m in a gigantic war, or when I’ve just taken some land and my borders are looking real sexy

jedibob5, (edited ) do games w Game wikis just aren't as popular anymore?

I wonder how much it has to do with how much of a shithole the Fandom network is. Between the godawful UX, aggressive SEO to bury competing wikis in search results, and scummy business practices that effectively prevent wiki admins from migrating to other hosts, the idea of maintaining a game wiki probably isn’t all that appealing these days.

I miss Wikia…

Illecors,

Would you care to elaborate on what’s preventing wiki admins from migrating?

jedibob5, (edited )

They don’t actually let admins shut down their wikis or remove content from them. They can leave and start a new wiki, but they have to leave the old one in place (for which Fandom could potentially just find new admins), and they can only link to the new wiki from the Fandom wiki for a period of two weeks. With Fandom’s SEO, there’s a good chance the Fandom wiki will still be ahead of search results of a new wiki even after migration. Source

ono,

I wonder if this could be mitigated (or even nullified) by a cooperative game developer, through DMCA takedown notices sent to Fandom. There is a lot of art on these wikis, after all, and I imagine the copyright holder has some say in who is allowed to distribute it.

Illecors,

Thank you. I’ve been dabbling with the idea of establishing a non-profit for my lemmy instance. I’m not a user of game/movie/etc wikis, but I do love looking after my servers. I wonder if a non-profit owned wiki site bear any weight over time.

DrQuint,

Man this was an issue already some 10 years ago when touhou wiki went self-hosted. It took a whole year for google to get memo and link the new one above the old.

Nowadays I assume it’s pretty much impossible to reverse the flow unless if your game is huge and highly sought after.

EnglishMobster,

What are they going to do? Ban them?

Honestly if I was migrating away from Fandom I’d do everything I can to burn every bridge. Go through and edit every page to have every link redirect to the better wiki. Ignore their 2-week period, and don’t inform the Fandom overlords that the wiki is being shut down (it’s not like they’re going to check without being prompted).

I’d make them ban me, and then good luck finding an admin.

jedibob5,

It’s not too hard to roll back changes on a wiki. Any attempts at sabotage wouldn’t be very difficult to undo.

AlexWIWA,

I am forever grateful that halopedia rolled their own wiki and was spared from the fandom plague.

deranger,

Another stark comparison is UESP vs. Fandom for elder scrolls lore. Fandom is absolute cancer, poor UX even with an adblocker.

AlexWIWA,

Yeah I find it completely unusable. I can’t use wookiepedia anymore because it is just awful to use. Like you said, it’s awful even with an ad blocker

bionicjoey,

UESP is such a gem

GrammatonCleric,
@GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Wikidot was the shit for Dark Souls games 😙👌

detalferous, do games w Game wikis just aren't as popular anymore?

They’re all just ads

Paradox, do games w Game wikis just aren't as popular anymore?
@Paradox@lemdro.id avatar

This is particularly painful with starfield. I know the game just came out, but the Fandom wiki is atrocious, and I haven’t been able to find any others.

ShadowRam, (edited ) do games w Game wikis just aren't as popular anymore?

Was it a few years ago Fandom started buying up all these wiki websites?

Then they started with the ads and it all went to shit.

There were a bunch of games that had to move their shit off Fandom because it was a mess..

Now when you want an answer to a simple question, you have to fast track through a some rando's 5min youtube video to get the answer, where they could have put the answer in the title.

Satisfactory and Path of Exile are two games in recent memory that specifically moved their official wiki's away from Fandom,

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Satisfactory_Wiki

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Path_of_Exile_Wiki

HooPhuckenKarez,

Coffee Stain Studios seem really give an actual shit about their fans.

Summzashi,

Personally love UESP. It was there way before fandom and will be there long after.

InvisibleShade, do games w What games had easy soft locks that prevented you from either progressing or getting a true ending?

I actually managed to soft lock a side quest in The Witcher 3 recently. If you loot a container right as a cutscene begins, the item will be removed from the container but not put into your inventory.

I managed to do this with a key (by mistake) and almost lost around 25 hours of gameplay lol.

pastermil,

What container is this?

InvisibleShade,

Avoiding spoilers, one of the major quests has you approach and help someone fight some monsters. In that same place there is a skeleton with a key in it for a different side quest.

After you finish fighting the monsters, a dialog cutscene triggers with the person you just helped, but there is a small window of time between the combat ending and the dialog cutscene starting when you actually loot.

pastermil,

Is this in a garden?

InvisibleShade,

No, it's on a desolate island, and you're trying to help solve the problem which makes it unlivable.

pastermil,

An island with a mansion full of mice?

InvisibleShade,

I'll just tell you, it was Hjalmar.

pastermil,

Yeah, I didn’t encounter anything like that. Probably fixed in the later patch…

InvisibleShade,

It actually isn't fixed because this happened to me only a couple of weeks ago (with the next gen upgrade). But it must be an incredibly rare bug because I've done the "loot before cutscene trigger" a bunch of times before but only once did it glitch.

noisypine, do piracy w Is Direct Connect still 'a thing'?

I use it, but due to it being more cumbersome, I go to IRC first. If I can’t find it on IRC, I can usually get it from DC++.

pirate,

Are you using xdcc.eu or sunxdcc.com, or are you searching directly through IRC on each of your preferred servers?

noisypine,

Little bit of both. Usually I start with sunxdcc and xdcc.eu, but if I can’t find it, I search in the chats. Sometimes not all packs are listed and the search engines.

highduc,

Not sure if joking or…? If you’re joking it went over my head :)

noisypine,

Not joking. This all works, probably a lot better than you may think.

lauha,

How do you search files on IRC? You’re joking, right?

jayandp,

There are IRC/XDCC search engines. I don’t know their exact method of scraping IRC servers, but they kinda work.

Also, if you know the right servers and channels, most have some kind of search index or bot.

noisypine,

Not joking. There are sites like sunxdcc for searching from the web, and otherwise, !s in chats to search. Works great, honestly.

Honytawk, do games w Game wikis just aren't as popular anymore?

Most games switched to Discord for some reason. Even though Discord is exceptionally bad for permanent info.

Now you need to ask the question in the hopes someone on there is friendly enough to answer. And a while later if someone wants to know the same question, they have to ask it again…

LaggyKar, (edited ) do games w PSA: If you still have a Mojang account for Minecraft: Java Edition, you have less than a week left to migrate to a Microsoft account to avoid profile deletion
@LaggyKar@programming.dev avatar

17:00 pm? So, 5:00 the next day?

JackbyDev, do games w Game wikis just aren't as popular anymore?

Fandom, previously Wikia, a long with all game journalism sites with their SEO have ruined it.

Pat, do games w Game wikis just aren't as popular anymore?

Reminder to get Indie Wiki Buddy to automatically be redirected to ad-free versions of fandom wikis or to be redirected to actual genuine wikis, for example, TF2 Fandom Wikis get redirected to the official TF2 Wiki.

cre0, (edited ) do games w Game wikis just aren't as popular anymore?

PSA for people sick of fandom: www.antifandom.com has the same content on an ad-free UI

its a mirror of www.breezewiki.com which has a search on the home page as well as a list of other mirrors

NinjaYeti76,
@NinjaYeti76@mastodon.social avatar

@cre0 @blanketswithsmallpox many of my video game related searches end with -fandom. Thank you for this.

sebinspace,

I think we hugged it too hard

cre0,

breezewiki.com is another mirror and looks to be still working

ono, (edited ) do games w Game wikis just aren't as popular anymore?

It doesn’t surprise me at all that people have become less willing to contribute to wikis, now that the likes of Fandom/Wikia and Fextralife are the dominant wiki hosts. Who wants to give away their free labour and time to profit corporations, and have their work mired in cesspools of obnoxious advertising, awkward javascript interfaces, and web tracking?

I think what we need are independent wiki hosts. For example, have a look at bg3.wiki

blanketswithsmallpox, (edited )

Yeah I remember seeing an article about Baldur’s Gate 3 having a wiki being unique.

Simple fact is that hosting costs $$$. And you don’t get something free unless there’s ads involved or you’re so small you can cover the cost yourself.

ono, (edited )

Perhaps there’s an opportunity here for a nonprofit organization, accepting donations like wikimedia does, to offer hosting to gaming communities?

Edit:

This would not only benefit gamers directly, but also help with cultural preservation, which is increasingly problematic as games disappear from store fronts.

Also, a wiki run by a funded organization is less likely to vanish than one operated by a single person, whose circumstances might change.

JackGreenEarth,
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Terraria wiki is not a fandom site

ono, (edited )

I expect you mean terraria.wiki.gg, rather than terraria.fandom.com (which was the first result in my web search). I don’t love the fact that it has a google tracker, but otherwise, it looks nice.

Looks like Pokémon also has an independent (but not tracker-free) wiki: bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net

JackGreenEarth,
@JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee avatar

Yeah, terraria.wiki.gg is the official site.

DrQuint,

Pokemon even has another wiki that’s almost entirely dedicated to game data, Serebii, and yes, the design is dated, and yes, it is also the most accurate and concise source of knowledge for the series.

AlexWIWA,

To help your point. Halopedia is still extremely active and will have info from new books within a week. The site has their own software and it’s community run, so people still feel engaged.

I think you’re entirely on the money

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