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Lampenoel, do games w What happened to the turn based RPG and RTS genres?

For RTS I can highly recommend Beyond All Reason (BAR). It’s very similar to Total Annihilation or Supreme Commander and runs on a very performant custom engine. And the best thing: it’s free and open source, even though its still in active development it already has quite a stable playerbase and is extremely polished with a ton of qol features.

Bruncvik, do games w What happened to the turn based RPG and RTS genres?
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HoMM is a turn-based strategy game, not RPG (with the notable exception of HoMM IV where you had real hero development). That said, there was a genre of RPG’s, which used to be very popular in the 80s and 90s, and which all but disappeared. Those were party-based first-person RPG’s with turn based (or close to it) combat. Popularized by Wizardry, and followed by Might and Magic, they inspired other series like the Ishar Trilogy. Other games employed real-time combat, but slow enough or pausable, to mimic turn-based. Popular series were Eye of the Beholder, Lands of Lore, Dungeon Master, and others. Nowadays, I occasionally see one of these games from independent projects, but it seems that the golden age of this sub-genre has passed.

missingno, do games w What happened to the turn based RPG and RTS genres?
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While it definitely felt to me like turn-based RPGs were looked down on for a time, particularly when Final Fantasy abandoned its roots, I'd say the pendulum has been swinging back in the other direction for quite some time now.

Persona 5 was a smash hit, Fire Emblem is doing quite well, Dragon Quest is still going. Bravely Default and Octopath Traveler were solid mid-budget titles carrying on FF's roots where actual FF won't. Mario & Luigi is getting a revival. Over in the indie space, Sea of Stars and Chained Echoes have done well. And then you have tons and tons and tons of classics that have been getting remasters or even full remakes lately.

Oh yeah, and then there's a li'l game called Undertale that seems to have been fairly well received.

ColeSloth,

I started replaying the original ffVii on my steam deck, now. Using several 7th Heaven mods that really make the game look and sound like it didn’t come from the PS1 Era. It’s a slow start, but so far it’s still shaping up to be the great game I remember playing 25+ years ago.

Plus, unlike the remake, it’s all one game instead of 3+ take your money releases across two or three console generations.

Reverendender, do games w What happened to the turn based RPG and RTS genres?
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Warcraft II!!

Chocrates,

An RTS yes, but not turn based. In fact I bet we don’t fine any turn based real time strategies.

Reverendender,
@Reverendender@sh.itjust.works avatar

How would you categorize one of my all time other favorites, KOTOR?

Buttflapper,

KOTOR was literally epic, same with WC2… I haven’t found many like that these days unfortunately.

callouscomic, do games w What happened to the turn based RPG and RTS genres?

Isn’t Steam literally having a turn-based sale right now?

Anyways, I think turn-based games are less fun and more tedious. Except Field Commander on PSP. That was a lot of fun.

Buttflapper,

Yeah, a turn based RPG sale. I browsed through it, didn’t find a single thing it felt like I’d actually enjoy since I already have BG3 and Wasteland 2

Rai, do games w I love diablo-likes, but they're also really annoying.

The allure to me is the economy. If it doesn’t have free trading, especially difficult trading (requiring an out-of-game web site like D2JSP), it’s not exciting for me to just get items that only affect me. Diablo II and D2R are the only ARPGs that feel super exciting for me to find something rare, because there’s actually a sense of value to the items.

adonkeystomple, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of September 29th

Been playing lots of The Finals Lately, and recently jumped back into Titanfall 2. Really enjoying the creative gameplay of the Finals, and Titanfall is just so damn good.

GammaGames,

I should replay Titanfall 2, that story is so much fun

adonkeystomple,

I just recently finished the campaign. It was soo good. Definitely one of the goats.

Megaman_EXE,

Is titanfall 2’s multiplayer still active?

adonkeystomple,

Yeah always around 2k online. There was a jump to 5k lately because it was super on sale on steam. I can usually always find a match (anecdotally for me on steam anyways)

Megaman_EXE,

Cool that’s good to know, thanks!

v0rld, do games w I love diablo-likes, but they're also really annoying.

Personally I enjoy the complicated character building of Grim Dawn way more than the item hunting. This also means I will play a host of characters and eventually complete item sets and have the resources for crafting after half-completed character number 86. For me the grinding is mostly a test on the efficiency of my build.

Maybe look into Warhammer: Chaosbane. It has a point system that superficialy looks similar to Grim Dawns devotions or Path of Exile, but in reality it’s super simple. And while you do collect items, they don’t matter as much as in other ARPGs. The flip side is that it’s kinda hard to fail because the game is so simple.

ochi_chernye,

I’ve just reinstalled Grim Dawn, having last played it some years ago, and am currently working my way through Act 2. I don’t frequently play ARPG’s, but I’ll try a new one when I get it in a bundle or somesuch. Mostly, they don’t hold my interest. Grim Dawn, vanilla and unmodded (I assume there’s some kind of modding scene; haven’t looked yet) still manages to scratch that itch for me. At some point I’ll pick up the DLC. Right now I just want to find something good enough to replace this crazy caster 2h sword I’m using, so that I can bring Albrecht’s Aether Ray back into the rotation!

tal, do games w What happened to the turn based RPG and RTS genres?
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Turn-based RPGs I can understand, but “RTS” is “real-time strategy” – it’s intrinsically not turn-based.

You can get turn-based strategy games, but they aren’t RTSes.

It depends on what you’re looking for. There are more hard-warsim oriented games at Matrix Games, though a number of those are also available on Steam these days.

Steam has a “Turn-based Strategy” tag:

store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Reviews_DE…

jjjalljs, do games w I love diablo-likes, but they're also really annoying.

Have you played Nioh2? It has diablo-like items, but actual combat. It’s very good.

Chee_Koala, do games w I love diablo-likes, but they're also really annoying.

Maybe combine the loot fest with some hades difficult combat? I have similar feelings as yours, the genre is really cool but in the end, it’s all just this hidden grindfest? At least with (real) brutal combat, you still need to “make it happen”, big numbers is just the req.

TheBananaKing,

I dunno if it even needs to be difficult; even a bit tactical would change the nature of the thing. As it is the mobs in these things tend to be mindless converging waves; what if they set up set pieces, ran for help, dived for cover, used supporting fire etc etc?

Also perhaps overambitious, but what if the difference between low and high level enemies wasn’t their HP or damage, but how tricky and organised they were? What if leveling up didn’t make number get big, but instead gave you more options in a fight?

jjjalljs,

What if leveling up didn’t make number get big, but instead gave you more options in a fight?

Horizontal progression is pretty cool .

Unfortunately, a lot of people don’t want that. They want to feel cool and competent without actually doing anything. That’s not to say like you need to “earn” your fun or whatever. But that the progress quest number go up don’t think too hard is immensely popular with a lot of people. They don’t want to be challenged.

And that’s fine. It’s a game. It’s just not a game I want to play all the time.

Cruxifux, do games w I love diablo-likes, but they're also really annoying.
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The feeling of defeating a powerful enemy pales in comparison to the feeling of opening a log and a unique item falls out of it.

jjjalljs,

I still remember the thrill when I was a teenager when I clicked a random corpse in Diablo 1’s hell and the unique staff Mindcry popped out.

Dudewitbow, do games w What happened to the turn based RPG and RTS genres?

AOE2DE is the 72 most played game on steam currently in reference to RTS, its much higher than several other games.

kyub, do games w What happened to the turn based RPG and RTS genres?

There’s a perceived unpopularity with these genres. However, some truly great games like Baldur’s Gate 3 are living proof that you can make a niche genre very popular. It’s just that almost no one tries, or doesn’t like the risk involved. That’s why you don’t see a lot of these genres anymore. Well, you DO see them, if you look close enough and include indie and A/AA titles, but a massive AAA title with big budget and advertising for those genres is pretty much non-existant (I’m not familiar of any other exception like BG3). I think big studios are unlikely to risk such things. Look for smaller game studios, they’re much more innovative and either keep “dead” genres alive or they try mixing genres in innovative ways.

stoly, do games w PlayStation product manager says ads being shown was just a bug

lol lol we accidentally previewed the future now simmer down idiots

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