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renard_roux, (edited ) do gaming w Nintendo warns that it can brick Switch consoles if it detects hacking, piracy

I fucking love the thought of paying Big Corporate in ‘exposure’ 😂

Also my basic experience — nobody lost anything (Linux ISOs, obviously), because the alternative was not me buying something.

Edit: As an adult, I’ve spent more money on vinyl records in the last decade than I have buying music for the first three quarters of my life. And much of the music in the first three quarters was also on vinyl.

And then Spotify subscription fees since launch. What is that, 20 years? 😳 And now I’m trying to move to self-hosted because all of Spotify’s buying stock in weapon manufacturers and giving head to Dumbph & Friends is making me retch 🤢

Powderhorn, (edited )
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I never quite got the idea of music streaming. Maybe I’m just too old (yells at cloud), but I listened to radio shows (online) to discover new music, then downloaded it. In the era of mobile data, this seems to have been a solid choice.

I struggle to hit my 5GB data limit by a large margin … adding a streaming service and then having to upgrade my plan because of it sounds like throwing money away when I spend less a month on new tracks than Spotify costs.

There’s been some weird conditioning going on over the years with younger generations that it totally makes sense to just throw a lot of money every month at things that have cheaper, easily accessible one-time solutions. Just because you can’t buy a house doesn’t mean you should rent everything else.

Hell … I was born in the '70s, and the last time I had cable was when I lived with my parents. “Let me get this straight … you want me to pay usurious prices because there’s no way to avoid ESPN being bundled in and then trump it with ads?”

As a rule, if it has ads, I won’t pay for it (I was fine with it back in print days, as they were paying my salary on the other side of the hairline). That’s what the advertisers should be doing. You’re charging the customers too much and the advertisers too little if this is the equilibrium that makes line go up while taking money that customers could have had to spend on the advertised products.

Let’s say cable prices dropped to $20 per month. I’d imagine you’d get those ads in front of far more eyeballs, so increased ad rates would actually be beneficial. But let’s not bring logic into capitalism.

AnimalsDream, do gaming w Nintendo warns that it can brick Switch consoles if it detects hacking, piracy

Joke’s on Nintendo, they already lost me as a customer back in the 3DS days, and I do not own a Switch for them to brick. 🖕

But if any Switch games look interesting enough to play, I’ll be happy to emulate them on my Steam Deck or PC. 🙃

FeelzGoodMan420, do gaming w Nintendo warns that it can brick Switch consoles if it detects hacking, piracy

How many times a day is this going to be re-posted in each community? My God.

Powderhorn,
@Powderhorn@beehaw.org avatar

There’s always the option of just scrolling past if you’re sick of the coverage. I’m not on any other instances, and this hadn’t been posted on Beehaw yet. Bee Nicer.

skozzii, do gaming w Nintendo warns that it can brick Switch consoles if it detects hacking, piracy

This translated to, “avoid the hardware, pirate the software”

HappyTimeHarry, do gaming w Nintendo warns that it can brick Switch consoles if it detects hacking, piracy

Given the switch is exploitable at the hardware level, i doubt there is anything nintendo can do beyond not allowing use of their online services.

They said a similar thing about 3ds cfw, yet we dont see any reports of it actually happening.

Powderhorn,
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What I took away from the story is that they’re still going to sell cartridges, but the games won’t actually be on them … they’re essentially bulky, overengineered QR codes to be able to download the game you just bought a physical copy off. So, services gone? Congrats on your useless $80 piece of plastic.

korn,

In my opinion, that oversimplifies it. PlayStation and Xbox have disks without the “Next Gen” Version on it for years, but nobody cared. At this point there are also no games that have this license-on-a-cartridge.

After all, you can still sell the cartridge, something you cannot do with a completely digital game.

chloyster,

The game key cards are only an option developers can use. Afaik no Nintendo published games are using them. Most games still have the game on the cartridge

teawrecks, do gaming w Nintendo warns that it can brick Switch consoles if it detects hacking, piracy

Easy fix

Telorand, do gaming w Nintendo warns that it can brick Switch consoles if it detects hacking, piracy

So the Switch is essentially for rent. You can play it, as long as Nintendo decides you’re in its good graces.

You don’t own something to which somebody else has the master off-switch. And with their continued abuse of their own fans and other game developers through the courts, it’s a testament to FOMO and fandom that they are still in business.

Vote with your wallets, y’all. This kind of behavior only makes you the loser.

redsand,

Which is why future emulator projects should be kept on tor and i2p. Make them blow millions paying lawyers to keeps some emails auto sending.

orca, do gaming w Nintendo warns that it can brick Switch consoles if it detects hacking, piracy

This kind of thing will 100% kill any chance of me buying another Switch.

PeterisBacon, do gaming w Nintendo warns that it can brick Switch consoles if it detects hacking, piracy

I love my emulating devices that are full of nintendo games I may or may not have paid for. I definitely paidbthe emulation company, nintendo? Nodidtho

JoMiran, do gaming w Nintendo warns that it can brick Switch consoles if it detects hacking, piracy
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My first Nintendo console was an NES that I got for Christmas the year it was released in the US. You can say thay I have been a Nintendo fan for a bit. Nowadays I repeat the same thing over and over again.

Nintendo? Not even pirated. I avoid it all.

BrightCandle, do games w Chips aren’t improving like they used to, and it’s killing game console price cuts

The console market ever since the PS3 and xbox 360 has been a leech on the PC platform market. They turn up every X years apart to buy a cheap GPU and CPU on a chip and demand rock bottom prices for volume and pay for none of the research and development in the intervening years.

sheogorath,

I respectfully disagree. AMD basically said that they survived the Bulldozer debacle because of Sony and Microsoft ordering their APUs. The custom designs also have trickled down with AMD making iGPU that are desktop levels now (8060S).

Alphane_Moon, (edited )
@Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world avatar

If not for consoles, AMD would have likely gone bankrupt or become a marginal player.

Considering what’s happening with Intel in the past ~7 year, it would have been game over for x86 PC gaming on the CPU front.

JeremyHuntQW12,

But that’s what they’ve always done. The NES used a 6502 processor that no one used anymore, and the Sega a Z80 after CP/M went the way of dinosaurs. The Xbox and PS2 used out of date Pentium processors.

demonsword,
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PieMePlenty, do games w Chips aren’t improving like they used to, and it’s killing game console price cuts

The PS5’s price is higher than it was 4.5 years ago at launch, a device with identical function. While we should be seeing a lite version at 30% the price, we see a pro version at 50% more. Crazy.

Squizzy,

Lite @ 30%? I dont remember that happening?

EncryptKeeper,

It’s never happened. No idea what that fella is smoking

zipzoopaboop,

Read that again

Squizzy,

“While we should be seeing a lite version at 30% the price”…? What am I missing?

Soleos,

They mean 30% less

PS4 MSRP @399 PS4 Slim MSRP @299

XBOX One @499 XBOX One S @299

fieryhamster, do games w Chips aren’t improving like they used to, and it’s killing game console price cuts

Trump. Trump is killing ALL price drops.

mosiacmango,

They mention his tariffs, but it’s also a bigger issue that has to do with the laws of physics hitting economics.

Kyrgizion,

We’ve been up against the 5Ghz thermal wall for over a decade. We can keep adding cores but we need significantly improved design (less nanometers) for these gains - and these are now running up against another wall, namely quantum tunneling which begins being a problem at around the nanometer scale.

I assume only a radically different architecture (light instead of electricity?) will be able to smash these barriers.

Goronmon,

The lack of price drops aren’t really caused by tariffs up to this point.

Tariffs will be responsible for price increases however.

RightHandOfIkaros,

This was going to happen whether Trump became president or not, because Trump isn’t the problem causing this, it is a way simpler problem: greed.

ms_lane,

Trump is the cause of it, just last term.

Very long story short- Trump crashing oil prices in 2016/2017 more or less ‘killed’ GlobalFoundries and which left TSMC as the only leading edge pureplay foundry. (Intel isn’t pureplay, Samsung is no longer chasing leading edge)

Trump caused the chip shortage.

icecreamtaco,
@icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

Yes but that’s only part of it

samus12345,

But prices are being raised worldwide, not just in the US.

Lucidlethargy, do games w Chips aren’t improving like they used to, and it’s killing game console price cuts

Lol. They show the Switch here… Those greedy assholes never lower the price of that console. Fuck Nintendo.

ms_lane,

It’s almost like it’s a running theme…

OG Xbox - nVidia GPU - never gets a price cut and is discontinued almost immediately after 360 releases (with an AMD GPU from which MS never looked back at nVidia)

PS3 - nVidia GPU - Only got small price cuts very late, discontinued almost immediately after PS4 release (with an AMD GPU from which Sony never looked back at nVidia)

Switch - nVidia SoC - never got a real price cut either (though Switch2 is also an nVidia SoC)

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

The OG Xbox got cut down to at least $150 from $300. My memory tells me that every console of that era was eventually cut to $100, but I found $150 with a very quick search. The PS3 slim was cut down to at least $300 from an entry price of $500. I don’t know how you call that small.

death, do games w Chips aren’t improving like they used to, and it’s killing game console price cuts

“The complexity for minimum component costs has increased at a rate of roughly a factor of two per year.”

A key part of Moore’s law which is often omitted is that Moore was not just talking about transistor density but about cost. When people say we’ve reached the end of Moore’s law this is not because we’re no longer able to increase semiconductor transistor density (just look at TSMC’s roadmap) but that the “complexity for minimum component costs” is no longer increasing. Chips are still getting faster but they’re now also more expensive.

Alphane_Moon,
@Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly this.

We continue to be able to make faster chips, both via smaller nodes, but also via advanced packaging and architecture improvements.

But the costs of every new generational increase is rising faster than the % performance improvement.

I am personally hoping this will eventually lead to a culture of total optimization (similar to what we saw in the 90s on both PC and console), but there are likely significant barriers to implementing such a new development culture at scale.

ggtdbz,

I think the Raspberry Pi 4 -> Pi 5 is a very clear demonstration of this.

The power requirements went way up, and therefore the needed cooling, after years of the 1->2->3->4 being pretty similar. And most importantly, the prices for those were similar (35 USD MSRP I think, or usually around 60 USD here). The new one is much more expensive than that and that hasn’t gone down without controversy.

Maybe consoles are more visible to most people but the different versions of Pis are much more apples to apples and are designed to be drop-in upgrades.

I think I’ll still be using Pi 4s for a long time personally.

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