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  • JackGreenEarth,
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    How much processing power is really necessary? I can run any 7B model pretty fast with my 1660 ti

    Toribor,
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    They’ll require a persistent online connection for cloud compute.

    VeganCheesecake,
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    That seems bound to loose them money if they don’t charge a subscription.

    jkrtn,

    They’re salivating at the idea of making you pay a subscription for this.

    VeganCheesecake,
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    Piracy is gonna get more interesting.

    Cracked, removed AI Server lock, bring your own API key, or host model of choice locally.

    Known Issues: If you use the OpenAI API, the NPCs will sometimes tell you that killing is against the ethics policy while shooting at you.

    CluelessDude,

    Imagine now NPCs in gaming being bound to always being online and a company can choose to turn the cloud computing off for the npcs making the game unplayable after like a year, can’t wait /s

    AceFuzzLord,

    Let’s not give them any ideas or they might actually do it!

    yogthos,
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    Training the models initially is expensive, but running them can be done on commodity hardware nowadays.

    Stache_, do gaming w AI NPCs Have Potential, But Not The Kind Big Video Game Companies Want

    From the videos of Skyrim AI mods I’ve seen, I don’t think it’s that far off. At least for your basic, run-of-the-mill NPCs. They’re already able to know if you take off all your clothes and will ask you stuff like “hey we don’t allow that in here” or “you must be cold”.

    We can’t be that far off from a truly immersive RPG game

    teawrecks,

    Don’t vanilla skyrim NPCs detect when you’ve taken your clothes off? I remember Morrowind NPCs shunning you if you were diseased.

    Malgas,

    I think TES NPCs have been reacting to clothing since Daggerfall. Back then it was just a disposition modifier based on the total value of what you were wearing, but still.

    Fubarberry, do gaming w AI NPCs Have Potential, But Not The Kind Big Video Game Companies Want
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    I’m sure a company will start offering ai models for this kind of thing.

    I’m less experienced with LLM, but with stable diffusion you can have a main model, and then have smaller detail specific models added in to shape the results. So I would imagine a company will start offering a service where they have base language models with certain amounts of general knowledge/styles of speech, and can mix in smaller models trained on the lore of the world, character’s individual history, and things like that.

    JackGreenEarth,
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    Yeah, like LoRas

    DebatableRaccoon, (edited ) do gaming w AI NPCs Have Potential, But Not The Kind Big Video Game Companies Want

    Oh dear, I guess game companies will just have to keep paying people instead of finding yet another way to min/max their greed stat.

    Zehzin, do gaming w AI NPCs Have Potential, But Not The Kind Big Video Game Companies Want
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    I think the best use for it I’ve heard is to make unnamed generic characters sound like more than 3 voice actors greeting you with the same 20 or so lines.

    My cousin’s out fighting dragons, and what do I get? Guard duty.

    ezchili,

    And they can react to in-game state as well

    If every action produces logs and the logs are given to every npc along with some flags, suddenly,

    Just punched a guard? That goes in the context

    Player is rich? That’s in the context

    Wearing mage clothes? Context

    It’s a cool way to increase immersion for not much effort without breaking anything in a traditional game

    Gradually_Adjusting, do gaming w AI NPCs Have Potential, But Not The Kind Big Video Game Companies Want
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    If you want it to be good, it will still take hard work. Your own training data, your own ideas, your own work. There’s no way to do anything worthwhile with an LLM that takes no work or thought.

    fckreddit,

    This. AIs are basically garbage in, garbage out systems. More general an AI system harder it will be tailor to a specific game. That means companies will need their own training data to supplement it. AI is not “plug anywhere, do anything” type of a solution.

    ServeTheBeam, do gaming w Kotaku EIC Resigns Over New Editorial Edict

    Where does everyone get their gaming news?

    ylai,

    From my own statistics how many I feel worthy posting/linking on Lemmy, the most direct alternative to Kotaku is Eurogamer. PCGamer, PCGamesN and Rock Paper Shotgun are occasionally OK, but you have to cut through a lot of spam and clickbait (i.e. exactly this “50 guides per week” type of corporate guidance). Not sure if this is also the state that Kotaku will end up in. The Verge sometimes also have good articles, but the flood of gadget consumerism articles there is obnoxious.

    Carighan,
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    Primarily RockPaperShotgun, with some overall overview from bluesnews.

    WillySpreadum, do gaming w Kotaku EIC Resigns Over New Editorial Edict
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    fta “Kotaku’s staff will be expected to create 50 guides a week at the site.”

    Yeah, I’d quit too. I mean, aren’t they just going to be drowning each other out at that point?

    betabob,

    What’s fta mean?

    Davel23,

    From the article.

    betabob,

    Thanks, haven’t seen that abbreviation before

    winterayars,

    Looks like they’re trying to compete with AI spam.

    Either that or trying to push their staff to use AI without saying it.

    Carighan,
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    I would guess the latter. That’s 10 guides a day. An even somewhat useful guide would take 5 days alone to research and write I would estimate.

    What they want is the slew of spam-AI-generated “Here’s how to obtain the third rusty shortsword in age of calamity”-“guides” where it’s 5-10 pages of always the same overly verbose prose that’s totally not done by an LLM, no no. And there’s like 4 words of content in the whole article, about something utterly menial. And these guides exist for every single of 15000 items, in every single video game. Of course they do.

    wccrawford, do gaming w Kotaku EIC Resigns Over New Editorial Edict

    Wow. I can’t count how many sites I’ve blocked from my newsreader because I was flooded with “How to find Rupees in Zelda” articles that are so basic as to be ridiculous. At the rate of 50 per week, that’s all you’ll get.

    I actually do like guides like “How to find the secret underground vault and its 3 keys”, but I don’t want them in my news feed. I want them to be there when I search the site or Google.

    mrfriki, do gaming w Kotaku EIC Resigns Over New Editorial Edict

    I stopped following Kotaku years ago. It was the best news site by a large stretch. At some point it quickly became trash in the lapse of a few months.

    Regarding the writing guides galore, the same has just happened to Destructoid during this very week, suddenly my feed was flooded with dozens of clickbait “how to de X in [trendy game name]”. I just stopped following them right away.

    Now I only have Gemstsu to check news and it is not particularly good, guess sooner than later my only source of new game releases will be the from page of Steam:(

    altima_neo, (edited )
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    It became trash when they had a site redesign that made it more blog post looking than news site. At the same time, they doubled down on filler articles.

    After reading the article, it sounds like they’re at it again with a redesign.

    Jaysyn, do gaming w Kotaku EIC Resigns Over New Editorial Edict
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    Kotaku is still a thing?

    altima_neo,
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    Yeah I stopped browsing there after they had their digg moment when they did a site redesign that no one liked, and focused on clickbaity non-articles as filler. Oh and their moderation on their community became really bullshit. Banning anyone who disagreed with their takes.

    Nakoichi, do gaming w Kotaku EIC Resigns Over New Editorial Edict
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    Damn that sucks. They were one of the few decent games journalism outlets.

    Looks like pressure from the gamer-gate and reactionary crowd got to them.

    This could only result in a shift to more puff pieces and less criticism as an extremely fucked up industry rife with harassment and assault.

    beaxingu,
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    very funny dude i almost took you seriously but nobody could be serious about saying something so mindbogglingly stupid.

    rustyfish, (edited ) do gaming w Kotaku EIC Resigns Over New Editorial Edict
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    Hold on? Do I get this right?

    By guides they mean actual guides for games? Like that stuff that I and literally any other person look up on YouTube and go for the shortest video available? Or, in more complex cases, go straight to the Wiki ignoring any other site that is just there to waste my time? Please tell me I am wrong.

    “I’ve resigned from Kotaku and Jim Spanfeller is an herb.”

    Someone give this woman a medal. Fantastic.

    Edit: Forget what I said. They actually mean THAT by guides. It says it in the article, my brain just jumped a paragraph. Derp.

    Oh boy! Let’s see how this will turn out for Kotaku!

    Lojcs,

    Ign or strategy wiki are my first go when I’m stuck at a game. I can’t skim videos and game wikis usually have more information than what I want at that moment (spoilers and such).

    rustyfish,
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    Yeah, I get you. Maybe it’s more of a personal preference. As someone who, in most cases, is relatively indifferent to spoilers, I prefer other sources.

    I still think Kotaku is fucking up right now, tho.

    Silentiea, do games w How A Small Video Game Narrative Studio Wound Up At The Heart Of A Massive, Anti-Woke Conspiracy Theory - Aftermath

    I’m not sure I understand what’s happening here, but I’m looking forward to the five hour hbomberguy video explaining the whole thing in about 8 years.

    ICastFist,
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    It’s gamergate 2.0: electric boogaloo

    Silentiea,

    It definitely smells like that, except maybe just anti-“woke” or anti-minorities instead of just anti-women?

    Hovenko, do games w How A Small Video Game Narrative Studio Wound Up At The Heart Of A Massive, Anti-Woke Conspiracy Theory - Aftermath
    @Hovenko@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

    Some ordinary gamers had a nice video about those racists.

    Lurra,
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    Yeh I saw the same video. Right now there are tons of youtube videos made by different gamers (this past week) that have been expressing their dislike over how SBI have been terrorizing companies to hired them. Good this is coming back to the surface again so we are aware of these business practices.

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