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mhague, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”

What is he trying to say? How can something be weird and unique but also consumed by millions of people as a popular product?

If he thinks riding a dragon in modern Tokyo to fight a big naked statue is weird and unique, he’s probably sad that the world has moved on from holding up sporks and going “lol random XD!”

The markets can’t sell Weird™ to the masses. Now there’s no “weird” people making super high budget art. Terrible!

commander, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”

Dragon Age 1-3 all had their drawbacks but could always fall back on how beloved the lore was and how it was present. Dragon Age Veilguard has much of the lore the original creator laid out but presents the revelations in its game poorly and retcons lore from previous games in sterile ways. The original creator left after 3 and over the decade has dropped tidbits about the changing culture of the studio he left

SoftestSapphic, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”
@SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world avatar

Who knew kicking out every passionate person with artistic integrity and forcing the death of the artist would impact the creativity of the industry?

Jesus christ I hate game CEOs, they need to be locked in a room with games until they learn how to have fun.

Coreidan, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”

I stopped playing AAA games years ago. They are all trash.

Indie games are where it’s at

Edgarallenpwn,
@Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social avatar

I’ve mainly been an Indie gamer since 2012 or so. My last gaming build is almost 7 years old, but I think the last AAA game I played was during lockdown and that was just because it was a way to hang with friends. At this point I just play indie ports on my phone.

Funny enough, after going through my Steam recently played, the last AAA game I enjoyed was Nier.

maniajack,

I dunno I like elden ring and rdr2. Some are still good, just not most, anymore

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I’m playing cyberpunk for the first time and really enjoying it. i don’t know how much it innovates, but I’d say it was certainly a good game.

dil,

The good ones are solid tho and last a long time, I do prefer indie/smallteam for the most part now

dil,

vrs got some cool unique stuff, vtol vr is solid gaming still got some really cool stuff coming out, I wanna live in a world where vtol vr is as popular as cod

REDACTED,

Some are quite good tho

Sixtyforce,
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Not all, but yeah. 75% of my wishlists are weird and interesting indie stuff from the constant Steam demo fests.

Blackmist,

They’re polished, but nearly all of them are too safe.

The ones that subvert things a little are always best for me, and these always get mixed reactions from people who went in with a set idea of what they wanted from it.

Red Dead Redemption 2 being a slow paced wild west simulator rather than Grand Theft Horse is a prime example. It didn’t play by safety and doing popular things. It did what they wanted it to be, and it’s all the better for it.

MidsizedSedan, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”

I know im late to the party but… I just started playing Death Stranding. Lets just say its more than just a walking simulator…

Schadrach,

I mean, it’s being a mail carrier in a world that is maximum Kojima.

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

I mean it’s an Amazon delivery simulator so yeah

Blackmist,

It is mental, but I also kind of wish he’d hire somebody else to write dialogue for him.

And maybe somebody to check all the women characters, and make sure he’s not coming across as being a little bit odd.

FooBarrington,

Not sure what you mean - “Mario and Princess Beach” is obviously peak cinema

BrainInABox,

And maybe somebody to check all the women characters, and make sure he’s not coming across as being a little bit odd.

Yeah…

And Death Stranding is better about its female characters than most of the MGS games…

MidsizedSedan,

I JUST started collecting chrysalis crystals. (so mabyt 4-5 delvilvery/walking sim missions in)

To quote an old meme, ‘I know nothing Jon Snow’ but one i saw the ::: spoiler Title Hand prints in the sand, :::

I knew this was more than a walking simulator

Blackmist,

By the time you finish the game, whatever you’ve seen so far will seem like the most normal thing in the world.

Definitely a lot of standard Kojima gameplay in there, among the apocalyptic Deliveroo simulator and bonkers 4th wall breaking.

hark, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

The weird people are still there, but development teams are much larger now, so their input is not as prominent. Plus the budgets are so large that a flop can heavily damage a company or even ruin it, so they’re very risk-averse. We need more AA or A games instead of relying so much on heavy-hitters.

jol,

The weird people still make tons of indie games.

SCmSTR,

Indie games are great and all, but everybody I know is still waiting for great AAA games again that we can play together.

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

Well you need better friends

jol,

I mean, sure, complaining and while doing the same thing and expecting a different result is one strategy. AAA games are purely capitalistic endeavours.

Shardikprime, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”

After Spec Ops The line, everything went to shit, the bar was too high

SupraMario,

Dunno why you’re being downvoted, that game was insanely good. Mediocre shooter, but the story was amazingly good.

pycorax,

Because there were still plenty of good games that came out after that?

pugnaciousfarter,

Yeah, personally a huge fan of the game, but if you think spec ops the line is the last best game, then you really haven’t played that many good games since.

There’s also such a thing as subjective tastes and I believe that it’s more so significant in games because of how diverse they are.

SupraMario,

That’s true. I was more commenting on how good a game it was though, but I do think it’s peak story for me. KCD series is second. There hasn’t been another game for me that had such a crazy twist in it than spec ops.

outhouseperilous,

More than ‘story’, the way they made every part of the game about it.

It was mediocre/workmanlike when viewed entirely as a shooter. But most of the gameplay just used ‘shooter’ as framing.

clutchtwopointzero, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”

Yoko Taro talking about weird shows a healthy deal of self awareness… +1 respect in my book

Justdaveisfine, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”

There’s definitely weird people making games on itch and sometimes in the depths of Steam.

By its very definition weird isn’t going to sell to mass market. That being said I do agree that we need more weird AAA or AA games.

Auster,

Looking from another angle from Yoko Taro's point, I'd say that, in fear of failing due to being too big, companies would rather play it safe, but that causes creations to grow sterile.

And as consequence, people allegedly "weird", which I wouldn't think are necessarily people with curious antiques as Yoko Taro himself, but simply people whose game ideas are far from a safe ground, go for making indie titles instead as then they can be free to do whatever they want.

Coelacanth,
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There’s definitely weird people making games on itch and sometimes in the depths of Steam.

Oh yes. Ever heard of Beautycopter?

RebekahWSD,
@RebekahWSD@lemmy.world avatar

I have. Watched two beings play it. I sincerely hope the person(s) who made that game make more games.

RizzRustbolt,

Deity Driving was their first Steam release.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

i am so glad that only costs 2 bucks because flying through rings is giving me serious n65 superman flashbacks. they’re so bad i can’t find the number 5 on my computer. the one next to that.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

Weird still exists, true, but the combination of weird + budget is what's really missing.

Justdaveisfine,

The only recent example I can think of is Death Stranding.

Coelacanth,
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

It’s not quite as weird, but Alan Wake 2 as well qualifies I think.

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com avatar

I found a game on itch about a laundromat that washes women in the machines.

Justdaveisfine,

Hmm. On second thought, maybe games were a mistake.

Sylence,
@Sylence@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The Alters just released, is AA, weird, and very good! Indies are definitely the home for weird experimental shit but I feel like there are going to be more strange, niche games being made for larger budgets as the AAA space splinters and devours itself.

ijedi1234, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”

There are plenty of weird people making weird games if you know where to look. itch io and DLSite, for instance.

FeelzGoodMan420,

That was literally his point…that the weird people make indie games and not AAA games.

grrgyle,

Read the article, you say? What a radical notion.

FeelzGoodMan420,

It’s pretty short too!

innermachine,

I didn’t even read the article that information is right in the title LOL

ijedi1234, (edited )

Sorry, I’m illiterate (this was written by my editor).

Rooty,

And it’s for the better, the AAA games industry devours talent and spits out mediocrity and burnouts. I would prefer that small indie studios keep control of their creative output rather than being devoured by the money machine.

outhouseperilous,

There is a space between ‘itch.io freebie that runs in terminal’ and ‘TROUT: Sacred Band 8’ and the unprecedented level if sliders for dicks in character creation

Crankenstein, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”

Capitalism at its finest.

Zaleramancer, do gaming w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”

The pressure applied by the need for video games to act as investments is not aligned with artistic expressiveness, innovation or quality.

This is why games from smaller Companies or indie developers continue to be the huge, genre-changing breakout hits. They’re still being made with the intention of making a game that’s fun, weird, or interesting as a primary concern, rather than just being a vehicle for profit.

This trend will continue.

SaharaMaleikuhm, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”

No worries. There is plenty of weird to find with indie games.

andros_rex,

Yeah, but how survivable is making indie games? Unless you make it big, you aren’t paying rent that way.

redwattlebird,

That’s why you need public funding to support and nourish the industry. We’ve got that in our state where we can get grants to start up studios. This allowed for studios such as Massive Monster to be created.

VC funding isn’t great because they can pull out if the project or investment doesn’t suit them. See League of Geeks.

mohab,

This take sucks. There's a clear cap on what indies can do because they have a limited budget. Whatever their output is, it's not comparable to big studios output.

What the market lacks is quirky games on a medium budget, which's not what indie scenes provide.

ansiz, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”

Everyone should go check out The Alters, it is a pretty weird game but a lot of fun with a great story and atmosphere. It’s a space survival, resource/building, race against incoming death game.

tisktisk, do games w Nier creator Yoko Taro reveals the sad reality of modern AAA game development, “there’s less weird people making games”

"Do you think video games are silly little things?"

TwoBeeSan,

no.

That entire credit sequence is high water mark for games as a medium.

Every emotion.

Drunk ass man writing his characters, crying in a room alone. The thing we need more of lol. Will purchase any game his name is attached to.

tisktisk,

I couldn't agree more

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