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echodot, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

Oh dear he’s not been a good CEO is he, he isn’t talking out his arse at all.

beebarfbadger, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

Corporations want gamers to want mass subscriptions because they want to rent out their games forever instead of getting only a single payment for their product. And then they find flimsy excuses to push subscriptions for products that do not warrant subscriptions but are mutilated to squeeze some way of adding subscriptions into them. And then the corporations let games without subscriptions fail while pretending that subscription-based services are delivered because there’s demand and not because they don’t want to deliver finished products that don’t generate easy endless trickling revenue streams.

geissi, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

Baldur’s Gate 3 boss

Wow, Larian really breaking the 4th wall in this game.
One of those boss fights where you really regret having to fight him because he actually has a good point.
Probably still evil though.

banazir, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions
@banazir@lemmy.ml avatar

Wait, a CEO said that? What’s the catch?

Lesrid,

He’s a CEO of a relatively small company that is product focused. He has yet to grow and focus margins in any serious way.

Duamerthrax,

Larian is privately owned. They don’t have stockholders to appease with short term gains.

echodot,

Which is weird because they remain shareholders for years, so you’d have thought they want long-term gains.

I think I’ve come to the conclusion that “businessmen” are just idiots.

Duamerthrax,

They’re gambling addicts

TomAwsm,

you’d have thought they want long-term gains.

They do. They just also want short-term and medium-term gains.

blazeknave,

Incorrect. The shareholders are the private owners. They’re just not gambling douchebags trying to make themselves short term gains. :D

CoolSouthpaw, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

Good. This guy is not a piece of shit then, unlike that other guy who runs Ubishit.

echodot,

We have nothing to worry about because no one wants to play ubisoft games already, I already bought Assassin’s Creed seven times I don’t want to do it again.

HawlSera, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

Here’s an idea, I give you money for a game, I download it off the store front, I keep it forever.

“You only have a licen…”

Shut the fuck up, if buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing.

Xer0,

Fucking BASED.

EmergMemeHologram, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

Ironically I had to buy a subscription to Nvidia to play BG3 on Mac with my friends because they silently delayed the Mac release on release day for 3 months.

I tried running it on Linux, game posting toolkit, and windows via parallels (another subscription, yay), and I could not fix the invisible textures.

They’ve since launched the game fully but it was upsetting they reneged on their release without so much as a word multiple times.

It’s a very good game now that it works for me.

Scipitie,

Weil if that isn’t the consequences of your choices.

Seriously I’m sorry for you individually that you were delayed that way - it reminds me of my fellow Linux gamers complaining about incompatibility though - while running Nvidia cards.

Macs are amazing pieces of hardware - and the price one pays is that one has to accept that some devs don’t want to climb the wall into that walled garden.

EmergMemeHologram,

Weil if that isn’t the consequences of your choices.

So it’s my fault that a studio with a good history, knowledge of the platform and has worked directly with Apple on their last game, with a working public beta running on my machine, decided to delay release without any announcement?

Larian are generally great, BG3 is awesome, the release comms were shit.

Scipitie,

Yes?

Last time I checked working with and for apple platforms is a pain. A release delay after a public test as you described is a strong pointer in that direction - or do you claim that was done out of spite?

Every (your currency) spent on apple supports this holier than you attitude.

iamtherealwalrus,

How is this relevant to the article?

rimjob_rainer, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

Tell Sony, they got so fucking greedy with their PS Plus.

Mek, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

I mean, this is a very Captain Obvious take. The problem is; it won’t change and it’ll only get worse.

Bonesy91, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

Finally someone in the game industry who gets it!

Naatan, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

No one wants mass subscriptions. “Gamers” is a red herring.

Modva, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

The thing is that this guy is not the head of a public company where shareholders demand massive and continually growing profits. So he acts in the interests of the consumer, the customer, the gamer. But if this was a public company, shareholders would buy shares and then demand he do something to grow that share price, so they can sell the shares later for profit.

When that happens we see that CEOs do everything they can to maximize profits, like promising release dates in earnings calls.

The difference between private and public companies is the single biggest threat to us all because as soon as the company acts in the exclusive interest of profit, everything else gets fucked. And most do.

That means employees, customers, everyone. Only the 1% benefit from the gutting of everyone else.

GlitchZero,

I mean yes, but also no. I work at a private company and profits seem to be the only thing to get anyone with a title to move their ass.

Most Directors or below have their teams, or customers, or the product front of mind. But once you get to VP seats they just… don’t, it seems.

And this is super anecdotal, I know, but… basically my point is private vs public doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

This guy is just a good guy. He knows what matters to people and speaks from his heart, not his wallet.

Modva,

Those top level folks are sometimes “incentived” by bottom line targets and other end targets. So sure, you do get greedy people inside private companies.

I don’t think shareholders driving for infinite profit is easily disregarded.

wildginger,

Thats either because your boss privately wants to hoard wealth, or is trying to set the books up for a clean sell.

Public means you sacrifice everything in the name of profit.

Private means you operate on the ideals of the private owners.

A private owner can have ideals of profit. A public company cannot have idealistic shareholders.

AngryCommieKender,

Publicly traded, aka private property, means you operate on the ideals of private owners, sacrificing everything in the name of profit.

Publicly owned means almost the opposite, but almost nothing is publicly owned in the US at this point.

Private property ≠ personal property.

wildginger,

I dont think you responded to the right comment, Im talking about the difference between types of companies, not property.

AngryCommieKender,

I’m also talking about different company structures, and how they relate to the type of property that they are.

wildginger,

Ah, in that case I dont think you understand the convo at all

shasta,

It’s clear from context that he was discussing publicly-traded companies because, like you said, there basically are no public companies in the US. Your post is unnecessary and pedantic.

AngryCommieKender,

There should be public companies in the US. Especially utilities.

LwL,

Technically public still means you act in the interests of the owners, aka shareholders (at least in germany anything else is illegal), it’s just that naturally that will always be profit for the majority.

Nomad,

Maybe turn the AAA stock into a meme stock, have gamers buy that shit up and give reduced game prices to stock holders to incentivise gamers to buy them. Et voila, No demand for profit that costs quality in the gaming experience.

INeedMana,
@INeedMana@lemmy.world avatar

The difference between private and public companies is the single biggest threat to us all

Nah. One does not build a company to provide a service but to earn money. “Well-being of the company” only matters if you are sure you can sell it for more if you grow it more

MJKee9,

There are a hundred different reasons to start a company other than to make profit. Don’t be fooled by the lies of market capitalism. Some people want to create a legacy that generates income for themselves and their employees, maybe even their children. Not everyone is looking to sell to the highest bidder. With that said, the bigger the company, especially if they plan to go, or already are, publicly traded, or are owned by private equity firms whose sole focus is profit and value of the entity the more likely the assumption is true.

Modva,

There are many different reasons than to pursue continually escalating profits.

trackcharlie, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

God damn I love Larian studios.

Fizz, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

He’s wrong. It seems that people are trending towards game subscriptions like game pass. It makes sense, people won’t finish bg3 once let alone multiple times. They don’t need to own the game outright they can play it on their gsmepass subscription for a month then move on to whatever is in next month’s pass.

inclementimmigrant,
Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Failed to reach target isn’t a sign gamepass is failing. They have 30 million subscribers. In only 4 years they’ve gone from 10 to 30 million and seem to still be growing.

inclementimmigrant,

Didn’t imply it was failing, hell they’ve announced they’re making profit off of the service, I’m pointing out that your hypothesis that people are trending toward game subscriptions is weak.

Let’s look at it this way, there are 132 million active steam users and game pass is at 30 million with new game pass subscribers are beginning are slowing down and seeming like it’s reaching a plateau.

Here have another article that goes a little more in depth at the current situation with game pass subscribers.

forbes.com/…/why-has-microsoft-put-xbox-game-pass…

I think that game pass is a fine product, heck I had it for three years, I just think your hypothesis is wrong.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

That article is only speculating that the gamepass user growth has slowed or reached a plateau. Even if we say that gamepass has reached its peak thats 30million people subscribing monthly. Platstation plus is at 50million monthly subscribers. BG3 is estimated to have sold 7m copies so they aren’t exactly in a position to say what the market wants.

Subscribing to gamepass is better value than buying the games outright. The up and coming generations are far less opposed to subscriptions and as they get older and have more money I see them just paying $10-15 a month for an endless supply of games. Maybe they buy a few games here and there the ones they know they will play a lot of.

I obviously havent thought much about it and am just kneejerk reacting to the headline. While I do think the apatite for full priced, fully developed, content rich games is there and BG3 proves to developers that its viable. I also think that subscription bundles and games that release with only core content and use microtransactions or subsciptions to fund developement of more content are easier to make, easier to get investors and overall safer to pull off and that is why I believe the market is trending towards games as a service.

BudgieMania, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

I mean, now that the video streaming industry has shown us how the endgame looks like for subscription models, you'd have to be crazy to want that for the videogame industry.

Whatever short-term gains you can get in convenience or price by buying into their penetration stage are not worth contributing to leading the hobby down that road even an iota.

noobdoomguy8658,

It’s not even about what we want, but what the stakeholders and decision-makers push for in order to rack in more profits.

The gaming industry was at its highest in terms of fun and variability and innovation when the industry was still figuring out best ways to make mad money, no matter how ethical or morally bankrupt - now they know they can use fear of missing out and predatory tactics to lure people into essentially gambling in a free-to-play online game, or pad out a singleplayer one with mechanics that contribute nothing to the gameplay, but manage to fool game journalists (the ones that weren’t already paid) into praising the game for its deep and branching loops, attracting more investor money or something.

A lot of people accuse us gamers of being a whiny crowd that cares too much and doesn’t like to have fun, but I guess yeah, we do care a little too much and that’s why so many of us try to actively influence the industry to go into a better direction when we vote with our wallets or write reviews or discuss games and practices in ways that can be hopefully seen by the industry’s decision-makers.

Not to say there isn’t just as many (if not more) gamers that don’t care enough and still pour money into games and practices that are ultimately making the industry worse, only to make the stakeholders and CEOs wealthier.

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