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Ashyr, do gaming w Spec Ops: The Line's sudden removal from Steam baffles its director: 'Why has this happened?'

Super weird. That game is great, just play it on easy and enjoy the ride.

Entropy, do gaming w Spec Ops: The Line's sudden removal from Steam baffles its director: 'Why has this happened?'

I hope they figure it out and potentially get it reinstated. It would be a shame for such a good game to be lost to so many people

Gordon_Freeman, do gaming w US Supreme Court has had enough of Epic vs. Apple, refuses to hear appeals, Tim Sweeney says the fight to open-up iOS 'is lost… a sad outcome for all developers'
@Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social avatar

If it's so sad, developers could, you know, stop developing for iOS

Shambles,

Agreed, and I would add that anyone who thinks that Epic has developers best interests in mind and not their own pocketbook is delusional.

Kolanaki, do gaming w 'You won’t find our games on a subscription service' says the founder of Baldur's Gate 3 developer Larian, after Ubisoft forecasts a future of players 'not owning' games
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Subscription models will always end up being cost/benefit analysis exercises intended to maximise profit.

Anything with a price tag is that, tho, unless you’re either content to not make a profit or you don’t mind gouging people.

TwilightVulpine,

Not in the rare cases when the company is owned by someone who cares about the product, who resists investor pressures. To some extent Larian, Valve and Nintendo manage it so far.

Decline through endless profit chasing only seems inevitable because profiteering investors are so thoroughly present in nearly every company.

Infiltrated_ad8271,
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I'm not sure nintendo is a good example, see super mario 3d all stars.

ampersandrew,
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And as far as legally playing their old games in the modern era, your options are to find an old physical copy or subscribe to a subscription service. There is no option to buy games individually. Even back when they did that, your purchases never carried over to their next console. They're awful.

conciselyverbose,

They also straight up refuse to discount anything meaningfully ever. And actively harass anyone streaming gameplay of their games without their permission, and are extremely litigious about emulation that's clearly established as perfectly legal, among a bunch of other shit.

LordJer,

Nintendo accosting influencers who stream games is in this legal grey are. The people Vice gaming spoke about how their legal department cautioned streaming games. They said at the time there is no case law that covers this issue. And it is not known who how the courts would rule.

conciselyverbose,

Straight up let's plays are maybe ambiguous.

Short clips are clearly fair use and they harass them too.

TwilightVulpine,

That's why "to some extent". Nintendo does some unsavory moves, but I'm not sure the point of it is profiteering, especially when it comes to taking things out of sale.

But you can't deny that they put out games of consistent quality, and not overly monetized.

Ferk, (edited )
@Ferk@kbin.social avatar

Even when you care about a product, at the end of the day you still have to put a price tag on it, and you'll still have to give fair shares to all the people who worked on it, while saving up as much as you can to invest in more well cared products... without making it so expensive that not enough customers will buy it.

Caring about the product, investing on it and producing something that is actually good and that people place in high value (so they are willing to pay more for it) is not incompatible with maximizing profit. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Larian is profitting quite a bit from all the good publicity (imho, well deserved) they are getting for not having gone down the road of predatory monetization tactics.
Probably they would not have been as successful if they had. So I'd argue they are maximizing profits in the best way an independent game studio can.
Choosing to not participate in Subscription services at the moment is likely also in their best interest, profit-wise. Particularly at this point and with this momentum they are having.

TwilightVulpine,

Caring about the product is not incompatible with making profit, but it is incompatible with maximizing profit, because then your design priorities must shift to emphasize functionality and entertainment to cutting costs and expanding monetization opportunities.

It's easy to see in gacha games. Even the best of them have to have to obstruct fun to make money, from the way they limit gameplay options so that people will gamble for them to the way that they gate progression behind repetitive daily grind so that people will keep coming back out of habit and FOMO.

Even beyond the monetization itself, great games require a willingness to take time experimenting and polishing, time which would seem like wasted wages to more money oriented companies. Sometimes it pays off, like Larian, but sometimes it doesn't, like the old Clover Studio.

Ferk, (edited )
@Ferk@kbin.social avatar

I'm not convinced that the gacha model works for every demographic. And even if it did, I'm sure it's much harder to be successful selling that kind of crap as an independent studio with no prior experience doing that. Maybe exploiting the D&D / Forgotten Realms franchise would have helped.. but after the OGL fiasco (which is a good example of how profit was affected negatively when D&D fans cancelled their D&D Beyond subscriptions on the wake of new plans for monetization by WOTC) I'm not really convinced the game would have made as much money as they can with this different focus.

Reputation also affects profits. And long term, I'm convinced Larian approach will prove to be more profitable than it would have been had they chosen to enter the wide and unforgiving world of competing RPG gacha games by introducing "yet another one" in a market that is increasingly tight, and with a public that is getting more and more tired of it.

Yeah, Diablo Immortal / 4 or probably even Fallout 76 made money with those tactics... but I don't believe those profits are gonna last that long, or reach an overall total as high as could have been when you think long term. They have managed to get a lot of people to stop caring about those franchises, so I'd argue they are actually burning down their golden goose just for a short big burst of cash, instead of actually maximizing the profit they could have made from the goose had they been taking care of it while steadily producing golden eggs people actually wanna buy...

Gordon_Freeman, do gaming w MSI has launched a new gaming handheld, and there are two things you should know: It's the first to launch with an Intel Core Ultra processor, and for some reason it's called 'Claw'
@Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social avatar

The claw was the way of playing Monster Hunter on the PSP

Dietcokke,

I always just left trigger spammed to either center the camera or lock onto the monster. The claw always seemed a great way to give yourself some kind of RSI.

Sheeple, do gaming w MSI demos a monitor that gives you an AI helping hand in League of Legends and it might stretch the boundaries of what's considered fair
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Just give me a fucking normal monitor without spyware

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b59b6994-9d5b-4d37-a628-e32d2133233e.jpeg

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not like they’ve stopped selling those. This is interesting on a philosophical level though.

This would be clearly illegal as a software. But what if the hardware includes it? How do you even detect that?

ampersandrew,
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You don't detect it (at least not very well), and cheat hardware isn't new.

stevehobbes,

Where my game genie lovers at.

ParetoOptimalDev,

This pushes games further toward kernel level software that has complete control over your computer so it can scan your hardware to make sure you aren’t using a cheating tool like this monitor.

Chickenslippers,

The funniest part is league of legends literally added kernel level anticheat today with the new season.

ParetoOptimalDev,

Yeah, I really want to be wrong here…

adrian783,

change game making philosophy obviously. but this is not going to be widespread enough to be a concern probably.

BlanK0,

Literally me 😂😂

wagesj45, do gaming w 'You won’t find our games on a subscription service' says the founder of Baldur's Gate 3 developer Larian, after Ubisoft forecasts a future of players 'not owning' games
@wagesj45@kbin.social avatar

Unfortunately it inevitable. If a publicly traded company exists, it will have to extract more and more and more until this kind of rent-seeking model happens. And if a company is private, it will eventually go public. And even if you truly believe in a company's owner to not sell out, eventually they will die and the company will go public or get sold. Eventually, money always wins.

_haha_oh_wow_, do gaming w 'You won’t find our games on a subscription service' says the founder of Baldur's Gate 3 developer Larian, after Ubisoft forecasts a future of players 'not owning' games
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

“If buying isn’t owning then piracy isn’t stealing.”

-Wayne Gretzky

null,

Of course it isn’t stealing – it’s copyright infringement.

conciselyverbose,

lol this isn't about buying, though.

It's about them pushing their stupid rental service. It's never pretending to be a purchase.

Nommer, do gaming w US Supreme Court has had enough of Epic vs. Apple, refuses to hear appeals, Tim Sweeney says the fight to open-up iOS 'is lost… a sad outcome for all developers'

Epic can suck a fat cock. So can apple but at least I can choose not to buy their stuff. Epic just buys games and now I have to drop it because fuck epic or continue playing a game they’re activly destroying.

Timwi, do gaming w MSI demos a monitor that gives you an AI helping hand in League of Legends and it might stretch the boundaries of what's considered fair
@Timwi@kbin.social avatar

I think the course of action is clear. Ban it from tournaments/official events. Since I'm not in the LoL scene I don't know if that might already be the case. Now, regular players will know that playing with this enhanced hardware will disqualify them from tournament play anyway. So now you simply create two modes of gameplay: tournament-legal, and casual. People who aren't aspiring to play in a tournament will play the casual game and it'll be acceptable there to use enhanced hardware. People who wish to play with people using tournament-legal hardware will play in the tournament-legal mode. There is little to no incentive to cheat in the tournament-legal game because you won't be able to cheat your way into an actual tournament that way.

AAA,

Except cheaters would flock to the tournament-legal game mode because there’s less cheaters. Why would they bother to try and win against other cheaters if there’s a better chance to win against easier opponents?

Cheaters cheat so they win easier. They don’t care about fairness.

Lightborne,

So people who want to just play a game casually will get their asses handed to them by people who are artificially enhanced. Cool.

Goun,

The ultimate pay to win.

milicent_bystandr,

I mean, they get their arses handed to them by people better than them anyway. I understand the ranking system is something of a dark magic fudge, but it should roughly put you with/against people who have a similar chance of winning as you, right? If people play with cheats, they get to pretend they’re better than they are (ooh, look at me up here in silver, ooh), but then they fit in with others who, with or without cheats, match a similar level.

Sylvartas,

AFAIK competitive gaming events always happen on hardware that is provided by the organizers so everyone has the same. In some games players are allowed to bring their own mouse and/or keyboard/controller but imo that’s already a pretty big “vector of attack” for hacks

LwL,

You can’t just give everyone the same mouse and kb if you want it to actually be fair tbh, different people have different kbs and mice for preference and ergonomic reasons. Different switches, maybe tolerable. Different kb size, very awkward and will lead to misclicks. Different mouse size? Even different sensor position? You will lose some precision until you’re used to it.

Though organizers could provide a specified model, and ban peripherials with features that are deemed unfair.

Sylvartas,

Yeah that’s why most games’ competitive events allow players to bring their own, but given the fuckton of dependencies some of the “gamer” peripherals install I’m kinda surprised I haven’t seen anyone exploiting a vulnerability to use some cheats yet.

For example I have a gaming mouse with onboard memory, and I don’t really trust Razer to secure that shit correctly (given the fact that their driver updating software doesn’t even bother not downloading the previous versions when not necessary nor cleaning up downloads after installation. Fun fact : I recently discovered I had 10+ GB of download cache after barely a year of usage, for a mouse)

thingsiplay, do gaming w Ayaneo announces the Next Lite, the first non-Valve handheld PC with SteamOS preinstalled
@thingsiplay@kbin.social avatar

In the past, Ayaneo has been somewhat reticent to discuss its plans concerning SteamOS and as this new venture is not a direct collaboration with Valve, I should imagine that they want to test the waters first.

If this is not a collaboration with Valve, then I assume it's not SteamOS. Maybe HoloISO that is created by "fans" with the aim of installing an operating system that is extracted and rebuild from the final installation on the Deck (if I understand the project right). The goal is to have HoloISO be able to install on systems other than the Deck itself, to get a similar experience. Maybe the Ayaneo will make use of HoloISO instead?

The project still needs funding and time to be build, so nothing is set in stone. Valve also works "hard" to bring SteamOS to other systems, so maybe there is a plan to do this. Now the Deck OLED is out, Valve probably have more time to do this (SteamOS 4.0?). Either way, I am very happy and curious what will happen next.

thingsiplay,
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WanderingPoltergeist, do gaming w CD Projekt narrative director declares Cyberpunk 2077 'just a warm-up' as work kicks off on the sequel
@WanderingPoltergeist@kbin.social avatar

The narrative director had little to do with the technical elements of the game; that jab should've been directed at the higher ups who forced this game to be pushed this game out the doorway too soon! I'm sure the developer team was disappointed with the broken launch of their game, but we need to be reminded that CDPR doesn't get off scot free. The hype they're trying to build needs to be cooled with reminders of their past behavior.

Fizz, do gaming w MSI demos a monitor that gives you an AI helping hand in League of Legends and it might stretch the boundaries of what's considered fair
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Ok that’s bullshit. You should get banned if your monitor is alerting you of incoming enemies

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

But it’s your hardware doing this? Are 3D-headphones illegal then, because of the massive benefit to aurally locating your enemy? Are hall-effect analogue keyboards illegal, due to the configurable much much shorter actuation distance? Etc, etc. Once it’s in hardware, it is a really interesting discussion where you place the cut-off.

You can’t even go "Once it has to actually know which game you’re playing, as profiles already work similar in gaming drivers, plus importantly most 3D audio is per-game optimized.

(edit)
And come to think of it, DLSS or FSR are also AI-powered frame-per-frame image analysis to add output to the existing image.

sevenapples,

There really isn’t a complicated discussion to be had unless you needlessly complicate things. There’s a big difference between having, say, better monitor or headphones in terms of resolution or sound quality vs having a monitor or headphones that add extra features.

It’s like saying that AR glasses that visualize a ball’s trajectory should be allowed in tennis or football because players can already invest in better rackets or shoes.

The detection problem is not unsolvable. First, you can forbid people that are using that monitor from matchmaking. You can find your monitor’s model number using software so that would be trivial. For a more nuanced approach, you can examine players’ reaction times and ban people that got too good too fast.

ylai, (edited )

There are plenty of EDID blockers and emulators already on the market. Unfortunately, no, “find[ing] […] the monitor’s model number” is not as trivial as you may think, if somebody really wants to evade. It is quite trivial nowadays to spoof the EDID in hardware, without the software able to do anything.

MNByChoice,

Why would it matter if the cheat is from hardware or software?

Fisch,
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I think the difference is that hardware, like a 144 hz monitor, isn’t really making you better at the game, it’s just that what you had before was making you worse. If you get a 144 hz monitor and your aiming gets better, that’s not because the monitor made you better but because the 60 hz monitor, you had before, was holding you down.

LwL,

Analog kbs are causing quite a lot of debate in some games rn with what should and shouldn’t be allowed

Chickenslippers,

I’m curious what the trackmania rulings are gonna be.

Aurenkin,

Well to be unnecessarily pedantic about it, that’s how games do work normally.

charles,
@charles@lemmy.world avatar

If that’s how LoL wanted their game to work, that’s how they would make it work

Aurenkin,

Yeah I’m with you, just making a bad joke

charles,
@charles@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, ok. Carry on.

Thcdenton, do gaming w MSI demos a monitor that gives you an AI helping hand in League of Legends and it might stretch the boundaries of what's considered fair

Hard pass

SuiXi3D, do gaming w CD Projekt narrative director declares Cyberpunk 2077 'just a warm-up' as work kicks off on the sequel
@SuiXi3D@kbin.social avatar

Yes, let’s blame all the early issues with the game on the narrative director. 🙄

nyahlathotep,
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I don’t think anyone blames the story or the narrative director, I’m just leery about starting up the hype train again.

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