My friend group refers to Left 4 Dead 2 versus mode as “the grand finals” for this reason; the players in it treat it like it’s the most important event that’s ever happened in their life, and a single mistake is completely unacceptable
Don’t play COD 2v2 Gunfight then. This is where the demons go when bored.
They aren’t sweaty lobbies, despite what people think. They are usually ice cold assassins testing their tactics and skill against other ice cold assassins. Occasionally some new players wander in, and it’s a bad time for them. The tough ones take their 6-0 loss like champs. The cheaters cry. Not your thing? Play Valheim on an easy setting cooperatively and enjoy. Something for everyone.
This is a fair argument, but what if some people extract fun from improving their mechanical skills, positioning, game sense, macro/micro play, etc. and not from simply playing the game? In that situation, it doesn’t quite fit the typical idea of ‘fun,’ but it’s still reason to be sweaty in the game for ‘fun.’
It literally is for fun tho. You know, considering it is a game?
Are you implying that the only people who play ranked, or should play ranked, are competetive e-sports types?
Are those competetive people not having fun?
Moreover, I’m also talking about the fact that ranked has infected everything else. Even if you play casual, people are playing like it is ranked. Adding a ranked mode to so many games has just harbored a fucking insane toxic atmosphere where even if you’re just trying to play the game casually you’re getting swept up in so much meta garbage. One example that comes to mind is Yu-Gi-Oh: Master Duel. There is a casual gaming mode and you will never be able to actually casually game. Why? Because ranked people use it for testing their own shit. This same phenomenon is across all games with ranked. The toxicity and pressure from ranked will always find its way into casual and ruin that for everyone too.
Pretty much every game with a ranked mode also has casual modes. They're separated for a reason. While you absolutely can have fun playing ranked, fun isn't the point. Competition is the point.
Not at all. It's for people who want to compete. It's for people who care about what the scoreboard says at the end of a match. It's for players who care whether they win or lose, more than they care about having a good time.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If you've ever watched esports players train, they're not logging into the game with the same mindset you or I might have. They're logging in with the same mindset we have when we start our shifts at work. They don't stop playing just because they stopped having fun, they're working towards a goal they've set for themselves. For the hyper-competitive player, the game is a passion more than a hobby.
To your point about Yu-Gi-Oh, that sucks and I feel you on that. But sometimes a game just has a higher skill curve due to the player base being experienced in the game. YGO is decades old at this point (new cards, sure, but the base game is largely the same), and a lot of players have been grinding at it the whole time. In fact, I'd imagine that a majority of people currently interested in YGO are probably longtime followers, who have steeped in the meta for years now.
It may not necessarily be that you're running into sweats or toxic players in the casual modes, as much as it is that the community at large is a bit ahead of you. TCGs are going to be like that a lot, just because they're inherently competitive.
These are all reasons I don't play competitive modes, for what it's worth.
Not at all. It’s for people who want to compete. It’s for people who care about what the scoreboard says at the end of a match. It’s for players who care whether they win or lose, more than they care about having a good time.
I don’t understand why this isn’t the normal understanding. Think of high-tier high school athletes; they aren’t competing just for the fun of the sport. They may love <sport> and find it fun to be a part of <sport>, but when they are competing at a regional or national level, fun is not really the point to many of them. Their goals are the point - to win, to impress college recruiters, to improve their game - and they might have fun aiming for those goals, but the fun becomes secondary to performance.
Ranked gamemodes simply aren’t the place for fun to be the top priority, despite the game existing for fun. There is a reason why ranked and casual modes exist, and if the casual mode cannot be played casually, then it’s a problem in the implementation of the modes and not a justification for playing casually in ranked.
I wish more developers would take advantage of the insane features of the DualSense. It’s sad that a free tech demo does a better job than 90% of the games.
This shit didn’t go away. I let 2 people borrow my Oculus Quest and both of them deleted all my games and put their own accounts there with a PIN code to access the device without any permission to do that.
I think this is valid criticism. We buy games to have fun, not to have some more work outside of work. If the game forces you to “git gud” in order to have fun, it’s not doing its job.
Of course some people like the experience of honing a skill in order to overcome the obstacles posed by a game. But a developer cannot expect that of every gamer and not provide any means to reduce the challenge.
Counter-example: I badly suck at Sekiro, but it might be one of the best games I’ve ever played. It’s too stressful to play it unless I’m in the right headspace. Like trying to listen to Dark Side of the Moon during Thanksgiving dinner with your funny uncle, it doesn’t hit.
If you judge any art purely based on its entertainment value or the mere pleasure it gives you, the only value in art will be its market value. That’s just empty to me.
The difference is that I judge games on how I view the meaning and execution behind creative choices I noticed during play. Some will call that pompous or elitist, but it’s really just that I need to be seeking meaning in life. Otherwise why live?
Not joking. Meaninglessness feels worse than just being dead to me, sorry to the anti-intellectuals who are going to laugh at me or call this a new copypasta.
Whenever I leave negative criticism for a game, it’s typically about the “git gud” curve. If, after an hour, the game is still too hard or repetitive and not enjoyable, thrn it gets a negative review based on that.
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