A lot of “downloadable content” for a game that requires an internet connection to play. A lot of “downloadable content” that allegedly already exists in-game. Studio execs need to be fired for this shit
Only thing actually rare are the fast travel items. Everything else on the list you can get within the first four hours of playing the game. The real dumb shit is the new game decision, the character creator demo gave you five save slots so why does the game only have one?!
The teleport stones called “ferrystones” are 10k gold each which is a lot.
In Dragon’s Dogma 1 they give you a reusable one for free after feedback that they were too hard to find in the base game.
Looks like Capcom saw a quick buck instead this time around, with a map 4 times as big this is a much bigger issue than in the original and it seems to have been done on purpose to drive MTX sales.
This is also probably the real reason they’re taking a harder stance against mods. Within 24 hours, there’s already a mod on Nexus that adds one of the items you can buy with real money to an early vendor for like 1 coin.
There’s also another mod that just makes all items 1 coin, so it shouldn’t be too hard for modders to just completely circumvent the bullshit mtx.
im still on that boat that believes the rumor that older management took back power from the younger management (reminder that capcom is a family ran business) after the Chun Li incident. Capcom wants to get into the business of selling game engine use but it being moddable (thus regular people can potentially stain an image of a game) may hurt its adoption.
10k is not a lot. Maybe in the first couple hours when you have zero need of them but by the time you need them you’ll have 100k+ in like half an hour easily. They are also given out often and easily found, I had 12 sitting in storage having bought none before I needed one. The amount of misinformation in this thread by people who never actually played this one or the first one is pathetically laughable. “DAE NEW POPULAR THING SUX IM COOL FOR NOT LIKING POPULAR THING”
Adding this edit to the top because what the FUCK you only get one save file EVER? There’s no new game? And it costs $2 to change your character’s appearance ONE TIME? Words fail me
Rift crystals? Is there in-game currency for this single player game?
Edit: they have an arcade game style “insert a dollar to continue” option I’m dying
Get out of jail free for a dollar card? The more I read the worse it gets. I’m glad I saw this before sinking more time into the first game. Good to know it’s safe to skip.
Rift Crystals are in DD1 also, without MTX. They’re just the currency for your pawn stuff basically IIRC. You’ll get them passively while playing the game, assuming it still works like 1 which I think it does.
One save file has been a thing since the first one. There is a new game plus and you can obviously delete your save and start again. The character edit things are in game and fairly common, already have a few without looking. RC are also earned extremely easily in game and the only purpose there beyond some cosmetic glasses is to add allies into your party that are high above your level. Its just another type of gold. I have no idea what you’re talking about with the “insert dollar to continue” thing. Also the jail keys are incredibly easy to get, you can buy them for like 3000g which is very cheap (early game starter weapons are triple that). All the mtx just seem like incredibly easy and quick to get shit for people who have more money than sense.
One save file has been a thing since the first one.
And it was stupid then too. No modern single player RPG should limit players to a single save file. I understand there are many great RPGs that do, and I still think they shouldn’t.
There is a new game plus
Making players play through tens of hours of campaign as a character that they want to delete is a pretty bad decision on capcom’s part.
and you can obviously delete your save and start again.
No you cannot. There is no option to delete your save data within the game. There is a workaround if you play on PC that involves turning off cloud saves, opening the game’s files and deleting your save data from the file explorer, starting a new game, then turning cloud saves back on, but that is a hack, not a feature.
I’ve seen plenty of people say that the character customization stuff is super cheap and super available in the game. I just don’t get why it costs an in-game currency in the first place on this single player, offline rpg. Seems like it should cost nothing within the game to change your hairstyle or whatever. Like, this doesn’t even fit in with the hardcore, no fast travel stuff. It’s just a pointless in-game currency sink. Virtually every other game that allows post-creation character customization allows it for free. I just don’t see the point in making it cost something that you can pay for with real life dollars.
It’s not a big deal. You can purchase and find these in game. All of the dlc is pointless and is practically the same as the original games dlc. For real.
Holy shit, I read some of the other day that there was a bunch of garbage microtransactions but I had no idea it was this bad. And you can’t edit your characters without paying $2? What the fuck?
that has been a thing since monster hunter world tbh, if people are only finding about this now, they havent been playing capcom games with custom characters in the past decade.
It’s been a complaint every time, too. If people are only finding out about these disagreements now, they haven’t been discussing Capcom custom characters with people for the last decade.
This misinfo is so widespread it hurts my brain. You can edit your character easily by buying an item in game for a negligible amount of gold. A currency which is easily obtained. Same for all the other mtx offers. Stop spreading falsehoods.
Ofcourse, that being overlooked is completely stupid. Same goes for the horrible performance. Something which should’ve been there from the start. Those are legit complaints. Spreading misinfo about mtx is not part of that now is it?
That’s been a part of the game design since the first one was released over a decade ago. This is literally more than ten year old news people are getting riled up about for some reason.
Denuvo makes that pretty unlikely and people on steam are saying that characters are stored server side so I don’t know how that will affect piracy attempts even if denuvo is cracked.
Denuvo doesn’t make it impossible, it just makes it take longer, dependant on the interest of the crackers. The main need to be online comes from the initial Denuvo validation and for the ability to use others’ pawns. Being offline means you’ll just have to use generated pawns.
The only cracker that works on denuvo games hasn’t done a release in over 10 months. At this point it’s a matter of if/when the developer removes denuvo because there is no one cracking it right now.
I don’t have the game but I assume “characters stored server side” means other people’s pawns like in the original where you could browse through people’s weird sidekicks and recruit them to your party. Not even Monster Hunter stores characters server side, it would be a weird shift to do it now.
From what I have picked up reading steam reviews, starting a new character is an MTX so they enforce that by storing your character on their servers. Others are saying you can get around that by deleting a specific folder but it’s still really shitty.
There is one person cracking denuvo, they haven’t done a release in 10 months and when they were active they were doing them by request for a $500 “donation”. It has never been about how much people care about a game. The other titles that had releases early on were because devs occasionally mess up and push out updates that don’t have denuvo applied, not because anyone was cracking denuvo.
Yeah this whole thing may seem minor to some people but that’s what companies want you to feel. They’ll slowly slip in these greedy practices until it becomes the norm. Not long ago, Yakuza made New Game+ a paid DLC. What’s next? Paid save slots? Paid difficulty settings? I wouldn’t be surpised if that’s where we end up in a few years and we start posting “Remember when [X] was a standard feature in games?” memes.
Yeah this whole thing may seem minor to some people but that’s what companies want you to feel. They’ll slowly slip in these greedy practices until it becomes the norm.
This is why it’s so important to push back on this crap.
Don’t buy these kind of games, and never pre-order any game.
And don’t listen to the shills/astroturfers telling you otherwise.
Wtf is the point of anti-cheat in a single player game? Fuck Capcom, not buying anything they put out anymore. Been wanting to play Dragons Dogma 1, since I already own it, but now I don’t even want to give them the player stat.
Why are you guys pre-ordering. That behavior enables this type of greed. Promise me you won’t pre-order a game ever again, okay? I don’t care how cool that cheap plastic toy and paper map stuffed in a tin can looks. No more!
I’ve been eyeing the signal for when I actually know i’m working with my hands. I always carry a sog powerpint, and I use the heck out of it. It’s the smallest tool that can actually do real work, so if you want something smaller, check them out. Oh, and you could get them on aliexpress for like 30 bucks last time I checked.
@constantokra@SendMePhotos Oh and of course if you're looking for something without pliers, a 91mm or 93mm(alox) Victorinox is very good. The cons are no locking tools, one handed blade, or pocket clip
Climber gives you blades, scissors, screwdrivers, can and bottle opener, Huntsman adds a wood saw, Mountaineer adds the metal file/precision screwdriver/metal saw, Ranger adds both. The Huntsman is super cheap from victorinox themselves and the Mountaineer is the most expensive.
I have a champ from the 90s, and the tools are all great, but I mostly find myself needing pliers and a blade. It’s great for.outdoors though.
I actually just finished cleaning up a Swiss army knife I found in a house I was cleaning out. I had the scales off, because it was super nasty, and they were solid in the back, so i’m guessing it’s oldish, which might explain why I can’t figure out which model it is. Everything sizeable I find has the hook, and mine, unfortunately, does not.
You seem to know a lot about them. Any idea what it is, or where I could look to figure it out?
@constantokra That's interesting. I'd check SAK Wiki or field it with the folks on r/victorinox (they also have a discord server).
The main tools are identical to the swiss champ, but the back tools are a bit different. There's also no sewing eye on the reamer/awl. So maybe it's an older version of the swiss champ. The newer one also has plus scales so it has a pen included which you would see the slot for on this side of the scales.
Thanks! I checked the wiki, which I didn’t.know existed, and it’s a 7 layer champion, from between 1977 and 1985. Apparently that model had a lot of changes in its lineup, the older models did not have hooks, and the even older models only had 6 layers.
Geez! I watched the first few minutes of fightincowboy review on it and he was praising it saying the best thing since Elden Ring. I’m sure the gameplay is great, but what a way to get your game reviewed bombed for good reason. I’m sure this will go on sale soon enough if they don’t make any changes. What a disappointment, micro transactions should never exist on Single Player games let alone most games. Scummy Capcom!
The fuckers already raised the price to “compete with inflation”. I might have been able to accept that by itself, but with this shit added in? It really reveals their intent.
If they haven’t played it, yes. You can’t “re-view” something you haven’t viewed in the first place.
So taking an aspect of the game and writing a review of it without actually playing it is review bombing.
I’m not saying it’s wrong to review bomb, as this deserves it. But reviews are supposed to be for those that have already consumed the product or used the service.
Like I said, I don’t think it’s wrong to review bomb. It’s just not an actual “review.” It’s certainly an expression or opinion of distaste, which is why it’s warranted, just not a review.
I already clocked a handful of hours into the game, I’ve been lucky enough not to experience any issues at all with a high ish end system. I’ve been having a blast, and the game is everything I wanted it to be, but man, it’s weird seeing the rest of the internet having a bad time with it.
Saw that someone was crashing on the first playable section of the game repeatedly and that blows to see. What really gets me is the mtx stuff, I don’t pay it any attention and Im having a great time and it hasnt been in my face one bit.
What’s really getting me down too is seeing how people are having a bad time with the game while Im having a great time but it feels like I shouldnt be. Is anyone else experiencing something similar?
That was my experience playing Cyberpunk at launch while everyone was up in arms about the performance issues. I was just quietly enjoying it and knew it was just a matter of time for the devs to resolve those problems.
I’m admittedly less patient/tolerant of microtransactions though, because they’re intentional. They’re the reason I feel like the mobile game market turned into to a cesspool.
Yeah I pretty much had this exact situation with Cyberpunk as well, maybe we are just lucky with our performance.
After reading your comment though, I feel like you’re right about the microtransactions. While it does not affect me and my enjoyment of the game, it is a bad practice which ends up bringing down the reputation of an IP I like a lot, which is bad for everyone.
Yeah, I’m in the same boat. Despite only having a laptop 3070, and not a desktop 4090 that others are seeing slowdown on, I feel like the numbers Steam is feeding me for FPS is a lie because it says I’m getting 40-50fps but it feels smoother than that for some reason. I am seeing significant slowdown in the capital but other than that I’m not getting bad performance, or bugs, and the microtransactions are easy to ignore because everything is easily obtainable. I’ve been having a blast for the most part, and when they get out some patches maybe I won’t even see slowdown in busy areas. Maybe.
The one thing that gets my goat is the one save system. For the benefit of anybody reading, there IS a way to delete your save on PC, disabling Steam Cloud sync, deleting the file, starting a new game, then turning sync back on and telling Steam to use your local files rather than your cloud files when it complains about a conflict. But the fact remains that this should be a feature within the game itself, not basically cheated in. I frequently restart games because I get distracted and go play something else, come back, can’t remember the plot. This is a major roadblock for me, though of course not one I’m encountering just yet.
I’ve got a high opinion of the devs at Capcom, as they seem to be genuinely interested in making great games.I rarely have a bad time playing a Capcom game. It’s just… The execs. And things like the microtransactions, Denuvo, and the one save system reek of stuff the execs tried to shoehorn in that the game didn’t need to try and bleed the users dry. I’m just grateful that, for the time being, these changes don’t affect me much, but you’re right, it does make me feel a little guilty to have a good time while others can’t even play it.
Capcom continually hamstringing themselves. With this and Street Fighter 6 having 100 dollar costume sets they can fuck all the way off. I expect RE9 to let you buy ammo for cash.
I mean, the RE4make let you buy weapon upgrades with cash, DMC 5 let you just buy all the currencies in game directly, I don’t even know where to begin with Monster Hunter World’s microtransactions. It’s shitty, but Capcom does this in literally all of their games now, so absolutely you’ll see dumb mtx in RE9 and Monster Hunter Rise.
That’s almost too harsh. The one positive thing you can say on the matter is that Capcom isn’t running around shuttering development of games to lay-off developers in order to manufacture like 3 points of profit. The Western AAA games industry is fucking disgusting in their greed, the Eastern AAA industry is just kinda confusing.
Weird thing is no one went and review bombed DMC 5. It’s still talked up as being one of the best hack and slashes. Re4 was continuously talked up as game of the year. If people are going after DD2 then be fucking consistent towards other games too.
I almost always find myself using a full arms’ span of cord, which for me is around 5.5 feet, so I generally carry two of that length, one wrapped up, and one in a loop with a diamond knot, which I find convenient in place of a carabiner.
I’ve used it once to try to recover something stuck in a tree 😅 The length is quite long for some uses but perfect for hojojutsu. I also used to carry a shorter length in the form of a keychain for more mundane uses.
The most insane part to me still isn’t necessarily the money-grubbing shit, because capcom has been doing that in basically every game they’ve made for a while now. It’s sad to me that dragon’s dogma is kind of, the outlet for getting shit on, with this, basically because the other games they put out have built-in fanbases and engagement that are gonna ignore the monetization. But maybe they also have more easily ignored monetization, and it’s not as though dragon’s dogma doesn’t have a fanbase, even if the fanbase is much smaller than the others.
Anyways, the thing that really baffles me about this game is that it’s not multiplayer. That seems like an obvious sell. Is there like, some idea there that they’d be cutting in on monster hunter’s turf, or something? I dunno, the pawns just seem kinda annoying, and the game, overall, seems kind of mid. I haven’t seen a large amount of it, in any case, but maybe it’s just sort of, the monetization and denuvo is kind of the final and most prominent cherry on top of a dog shit sundae, and nobody’s talking about the actual game itself being maybe more mid because of that. I dunno, though, I legitimately haven’t seen much on this game outside of this.
The goal should be fast travel people don’t want to use because travel is fun.
The Spiderman games for the most part made moving around the city fun enough that I didn’t fast travel, but it was still there for the times I had to go really far away.
If you need a feature that lets players skip a part of your game, you should either make that part better or just remove it. But you should still make concessions to players who want to skip it anyway. Like the little “skip cutscene” buttons.
Travel is fun, Capcom are just a dumb company. You’ll get plenty of access to fast travel tokens throughout the game, but the act is still limited to only a handful of fast travel points. Cart travel has been my preferred method of going long distances, which does come with the risk of a griffon ambush, but griffon ambushes mean you get more combat.
IMO Morrowind did fast travel best: they integrated it into the world, kept it limited (fixed origins/destinations, plus mark/recall) and gave it an appropriate cost (time, gold, magicka, and/or effort needed to discover transit locations).
The key differences are that Morrowind does not have microtransactions/paid mods, and does have the Elder Scrolls Construction set – so I’m pretty sure you could mod in a less limited fast travel mechanism if you really wanted.
I’ll just wait until it gets the Dark Arisen treatment and all the MTX and pre-order content becomes freely available in the game and the limits on port stones and the random currencies that aren’t just gold for shops are removed.
The original game originally had limited fast travel, too. But it was eventually made non shitty and you can just buy the stones you drop as FT points at a shop in the main city.
Whales buy it. For every 1,000 fans upset by this decision there is 1 fan who is rich enough that spending $1,000 on the game is nothing. A lot of these aggressive monetization schemes aren’t meant to make money on the average player.
The sad part is, those preyed upon aren't always necessarily well off enough to afford it.
It's one of those situations where either the microtransactions are in fact small, so the low costs add up over time before the victims realize it, or they're set up to pressure people into multiple rapid transactions, and so they either exploit some people's poor impulse control or gambling addictions, or more often than not, both.
It’s not that this monetization isn’t meant to target the average player specifically, it’s made to entice singular one-time purchases in a similar fashion to how places like Walmart work. Yes, they have the data that shows a few whales will make those transactions worth it, at the same time they are counting on catching the occasional non-whale slacking. Trick enough minnows into a net and you have the same mass as a whale.
I know this is a small difference in context, to a business it can mean millions of additional dollars. So remember: They know whales will pay. At the same time they are expecting to catch more than a few smaller fish in the process.
Yes, they have the data that shows a few whales will make those transactions worth it, at the same time they are counting on catching the occasional non-whale slacking. Trick enough minnows into a net and you have the same mass as a whale.
You’re actually thinking much more intelligently than they do. I was in games for almost two decades, left a couple years ago. The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of money made is from whales, it’s not even close. I’ve worked on games where we had to speak to banks in both Canada and the UAE to allow a man to make six figure purchases per week. He and one other whale were over 75% of our revenue.
Now the intelligent thing to do to make money here would be, as you said, getting minnows to spend – but that takes too long and the people who run these things want it now.
So rather than selling each armour colour or whatever for 50 cents each, they’ll charge 20 bucks for all of it, pricing out 90% of users*, and barely making money on it, instead of a million people buying it making them a tonne of money. (*this is a personal experience tale, this did happen, these numbers are unaltered.)
I was under the assumption this was the case for the mobile market. I didn’t realize this extended to larger titles. I mean, I guessed everyone is whale hunting, just didn’t realize to what extent. I appreciate the perspective!
To be 100% fair here, that anecdote I used was a mobile game, but the same thing does happen in larger PC/Console game titles, it’s just not 75% of (player) paid revenue.
This is especially so in games that have battlepasses – far fewer people buy those every time thank you’d think, and the ones who do are a small percentage of total players, but make up a lions share of the total revenue earned from said battlepass. Those are also the people (the every pass ones) who buy everything in the shop. 50 dollar cape or whatever, they buy it on release.
Exactly. They also have to know the number of “whales” is rapidly shrinking as more and more money is moved to fewer and fewer hands. Eventually they’ll be left with like 4-5 whales and only a couple live minnows.
I think the concern some people have is that it’s a slippery slope. Sure, right now it might not be too egregious, but if this behaviour is just accepted, publishers will want SP games to be designed around mtx. There’s no limit to greedy peoples’ imaginations when it comes to squeezing people for their money, so god knows how they’ll limit your ability to play games without putting in either a lot of time, effort or money.
This has been happening for years. Shadow of war (2017) had orcs in loot boxes, every assassin’s creed since, and including, black flag (2013) has had microtransactions in some form, odyssey (the last one I’ve personally played) had a rotating cash shop in every city. I know it’s another Ubisoft game but farcry 5 had cosmetic microtransactions in a game that is permanently in first person. You could only see your outfit on the change outfit screen. This comment isn’t meant to come across as antagonistic but I do find it strange to be warning about a slippery slope when we’ve all been riding the toboggan for years.
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