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simonced, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Also, let’s not forget the new EULA regarding shift accountsAlso, he made his 'fans" wait while bl3 was only available on the epic store. Fuck this dude, I am done with the franchise.

ILikeBoobies,

How is the game being available make people wait? Did PC get the release before consoles?

simonced,

Steam customers are out of the loop. We could access the game through epic store, but it’s a separate account, and not everybody has/want one. Hence the wait to release on Steam.

ILikeBoobies,

So he didn’t make anyone wait, some people just chose to

Little8Lost,
@Little8Lost@lemmy.world avatar

For small indies it makes sense to publish on the pc epic game store a year earlier to get fundet for simply releasing the game there earlier.
A lot of smaller indies used that time as a kind of early access and got later super popular on steam, the main pc game store.

But for a big studio to do something like this is scummy
They already have a playerbase and a big budget
I dont even know if payment was involved but there is no other reason i can think of that explains this

andros_rex, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"
ShaggySnacks,

Laws only apply to us poors.

dependencyinjection,

Weinstein? Diddy? Epstein?

I think the more apt description would be that when you’re got something that makes other people money, then you will be protected. When that ends you’re fair game.

I also agree that the more money you have the better defence you can get, but I don’t believe laws only apply to the poor. That’s hyperbole.

Krauerking,

So the logic is…

The laws only apply to the poor except for exceptions where rich are on their way to poor and can be used as examples of the exception .

dependencyinjection,

I don’t believe that’s what I said, or at least it wasn’t my intention. I was more trying to highlight that wealthy people (which are not in the way to being poor) will be protected by the people that stand to gain from that protection, not simply for being rich.

I also explicitly said that the justice system does favour the rich, not in a malicious way but more because we have a system that means rich folk can afford more man hours which translates to a better defence.

I want to be clear I’m not defending rich folk here, just being a pedant I guess.

Krauerking,

Ah yeah we are all pedants here and such while I understand and mostly agree with your comment I now must include.

Uhh, actually we don’t have a justice system, we have a legal system.

dependencyinjection,

Haha how dare you out pedant me.

andros_rex,

Weinstein? Diddy? Epstein?

All three of those examples got away with it for literal decades.

Both Weinstein and Diddy were known dangers in their industry.

They took Epstein out because you know he had compromat on Trump. Best friends.

Or - the Cosby shit was an open secret. No one cared until Hannibal Buress started pointing it out.

dependencyinjection,

All three of those examples got away with it for literal decades.

Literally what I’m saying. They got away with it because they had utility for other people and when they no longer did that’s when they get indicted, cause people stop running cover.

jaykrown, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Nope, just would play Tiny Tina’s Wonderland again honestly, which I got for around $10 when it was heavily on sale a year ago.

Quibblekrust, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

In today’s dollars, my local video game store in 1991 was selling Wizardry for the NES for $141.

Fuck, the average AAA Atari 2600 game was $99 in today’s dollars. Games like Pitfall and Pac-Man.

Just some perspective. I’m going to go yell at a cloud or something, now.

andros_rex,

Atari 2600 Pac Man is shit lol

Quibblekrust,

Yet I played it so much I can hear it in my head right now.

bobo,

bunk bunk ba-bunk bunk! Koik-doik! Koik-doik!

Voroxpete,

I’m actually OK with games costing a bit more to sell if they cost a lot to make; god knows, the devs deserve to get paid properly. But, one, that money won’t actually make it to the devs, and two, any time Randy Pitchford is for something it’s really hard not to automatically be against it, on the assumption that he’s so consistently wrong about everything, and just such an unbelievable piece of shit, that just assuming he’s in the wrong is the safest bet.

interdimensionalmeme,

The devs are not seeing a penny over what it would cost to replace them with someone hungrier.

interdimensionalmeme,

Fabrication costs have plummeted, while choice and competition in this space exoloded.

Financialization is what happenned to gaming and that’s why cultural successes are being leveraged at extortionate prices.

Borderlands 3 was boring ass slop too. BL4 is going to be a stinker.

TurboHarbinger, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

I knew Randy would fuck up the game somehow.

Voroxpete,

Seriously, why do they let him talk? The man is a walking PR disaster.

Then again, we should all be asking how the hell he’s not in jail for possession of child porn, so I guess this is a pretty minor thing in comparison.

joel_feila, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

And my way is, wait a few years for the deluxe edition to come out on sale.

dragonbringerx,

Shit, I waited until BL3 was free on PSN, and I’ll get around to it someday.

bss03, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

I agree, but when you wouldn’t let Aspyr do a Linux port for BL3, I stopped being a “real fan”.

MehBlah, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Arrrrrr!

bitjunkie, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

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mic_check_one_two,

Unfortunately, the real appeal of the Borderlands series is multiplayer. The games are alright in single player mode, but multiplayer is where it really shines. And cracked copies likely won’t work with multiplayer, because they use game servers for matchmaking.

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

IIRC all of the past ones have worked over LAN, including over a private VPN if you so desire. I definitely played pirated copies of 1 and 2 with my mates. I had no real desire to get very deep into 3 because the campaign storyline was so stupid, but I don’t doubt you could.

It’s only online matchmaking with randos that you’ll be blocked from, which if you ask me is not really that much of a detriment.

neons,

Theseus’ ship? Borderlands 4 is just the projectfile of borderlands 2 with every part replaced? 😱

Mustakrakish,

Would be better than 3

JigglySackles, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Guess I’m not a real fan. Fuck you Randy. He’s such a cunt.

xiii,

While working on Borderlands 3, the team was severely underpaid. People started quitting, so Randy promised them an “unprecedented company profit-sharing bonus model.” That never got paid—he blamed “higher-than-anticipated development costs and sales not meeting projections.” Borderlands 3 went GOTY, a few dozens millions copies sold. Randy secured a $12M executive bonus for himself. When staff expressed dissatisfaction, Pitchford told them they were free to quit. This was in the middle of the pandemic, and the job market was absolute crap.

mcvuk.com/…/borderlands-3-developer-gearbox-accus…

conditional_soup,

If anyone deserves for his workers to get unionized, it’s this asshole

JigglySackles,

I’ve not heard a single good thing about him. He’s just a toolbag through and through.

alexaralvarado, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"
@alexaralvarado@infosec.pub avatar

I’ve found a way to play every Borderlands game, 2 is my fave, and not pay more than 12 usd, for the 3rd one which I didn’t even get halfway through 'cause it’s boring AF - I love Steam sales and don’t have FOMO

the_riviera_kid, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

It’s like they don’t understand how piracy works.

3migo, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"
@3migo@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been a big Borderlands fan for 10+ years. I played through the first one multiple times and loved it. My wife and I bonded over BL1 when we first started dating.

Was super excited for BL2, and have played it many times throughout the years.

But the pre-sequel was a let down, and BL3 felt soulless and lacked the same spark as BL2.

Tiny Tina Wonderlands was great, and felt like a return to what made BL2 so fun.

All that to say, I don’t have high hopes for BL4, nor will I be paying $80 for it. It just feels like they’re coasting off the brand name at this point and trying to exploit longtime BL players like myself.

Spaniard,
@Spaniard@lemmy.world avatar

What’s your take on the telltale game?

Krauerking,

Not OP but Tales from the Borderlands 1 us my favorite of the telltale game collection and has some of my favorite music videos ever and wears its emotions on its sleeve for you to empathize with its characters in clever real ways.

3migo,
@3migo@lemmy.world avatar

I never played the Tales from Borderlands myself, but my wife did and she really enjoyed it. She said it added a lot to the story lore presented in BL2.

I did enjoy the Walking Dead telltale game along with the Wolf Among Us, though.

Drbreen, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Oh I’ll find a way alright.

fmstrat, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Give us guaranteed emploment of the staff that built it, and you get guaranteed pre orders?

But_my_mom_says_im_cool,

Wait, how do you guarantee employment to a team after their work and contract is complete?

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

You say what project they’ll be transitioning to as less and less bug fixes are necessary. Could even be dlc

fmstrat,

Game development should not be a gig economy. It is often treated as such so studio execs can pocket more money by dropping staff at release to pad their own wallets. There are plenty of game companies, and millions of companies in other sectors, that reinvest that capital into the company.

But what about other forms of entertainment? Movies! Books! Music!

Royalties. This would be another solution.

Tagging @theneverfox because they might find the thought of royalties vs continued Dev interesting.

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

I do find it interesting…I don’t think it addresses the problem, but it sounds like a great idea

Realistically, how much are companies going to pay out in royalties? As little as they can get away with

Let’s say it’s 2% of a game that made $100M - you’re looking at tens of thousands each when it’s all split up. Which is great, maybe even life changing for some of them, but it’s not financial security kind of money

And then let’s say the game flops or gets cancelled… Well that’s not going to help much, so you can’t really rely on it

So I think the idea is great, but it’s still just fiddling with the knobs of capitalism

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