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TachyonTele, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

Why are you censoring words?

november,

+1

Self-censoring words like “sexualize” is part of the culture responsible for this.

chicken,

Kind of inevitable when automated moderation becomes the norm

november,

I was gonna say that’s not necessary here, but actually many Lemmy servers do have a completely asinine word filter, and the devs have never heard of the Scunthorpe Problem.

filcuk,

That censorship is from the article itself…

Bronzebeard,

Went to Google scunthorpe problem…figured it out as I typed it.

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

it’s a quote

njm1314, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

You know if we’re doing a numbers game Australia really exports a lot of shitty stuff. I mean the trade imbalance of fucking garbage Australian bullshit it’s pretty severe.

princessnorah,

…whut? Are you American? Because if so that’s bloody rich. I’ll cop to Murdoch, that’s on us, I’m sorry for that. But what the hell else do we export that’s “fucking garbage”?

SalamenceFury,
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

The biggest TERFs in the planet seem to be either Australian or British, and I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Also, Murdoch has caused untold damage to America that is gonna take decades or even a century to fix.

princessnorah,

The biggest TERFs in the planet seem to be either Australian

What?? As a trans Australian that’s just completely rubbish. We aren’t having the same anti-trans rhetoric issue here that the US and UK are. In fact the biggest issue we had with TERFs was when Posie Parker came and did a speaking tour.

SalamenceFury,
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

Seems like while Australia doesn’t export that much bad stuff, the stuff that does get exported somehow manages to be even worse than other places, for some reason. Collective Shout is a group of TERFs, and Murdoch… well we don’t need to talk about him. And also another bad thing Australia exported was videogame censorship, like the time they banned Hotline Miami 2.

princessnorah,

Sure, Collective Shout is a TERF group but you tried to make the claim that Australia is one of the biggest sources of TERFs on the planet and that’s just rubbish. I’m going to assume you’re American as well.

SalamenceFury,
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

I’m Brazilian actually, but I don’t appreciate organizations from ANYWHERE in the world interfering with legal purchases.

princessnorah,

That doesn’t mean you get to try and say Australia is one of the biggest exporters of TERFs because of this one incident mate. It’s not like we don’t have 'em, but they aren’t destructive to the level of the Yanks & Brits.

Mordikan,

Multiple times now you've accused people of being American for saying that Australia outputs some garbage right wing stuff. Aside from the vampire fuck Rupert Murdoch himself, here is a list:

  1. Sky News Australia (especially through YT and social media)
  2. GB News (based on Australian right-wing media)
  3. News Corp Australia
  4. The Daily Telegraph
  5. The Australian
  6. Andrew Hastie
  7. 7News (this is arguably one of the worst as they sprinkle facts into their narrative to cloudy the waters)
  8. Herald Sun
  9. The Spectator Australia
  10. Quadrant Magazine

All of these media sources and publications output to the rest of the world.
It doesn't matter about "well the UK has more. well the US has more".
Australia is exporting fucking garbage.
This isn't a race to bottom.

princessnorah,

More than half of that is just Murdoch, which we covered already?

Mordikan,

Ok, so you are exporting garbage. Good to know.

princessnorah,

Whatever you need to tell yourself. ✌️

Mordikan,

Oh, and the Murdoch Family Trust owns 40% of the Fox Corporation (which owns the US based Fox News).
So really your argument is the same that a heroin addict might have:
"If you discount my heroin addiction, I'm doing great!"

princessnorah,

That’s nice sweetie.

Mordikan,

Australia has been definitively proven to be the biggest TERF exporter now and you can't even contest it.
You should do something about that, geez.

princessnorah,

Is that what you think you’ve done here? Sweetie, all you’ve proven is that Murdoch is, indeed, a piece of human excrement. Something I admitted to way up there ^^ somewhere. Please explain how that makes us the biggest TERF exporter, because I fail to see the logic, and our laws & politics seem to contradict you. Come on sweetie, I know you’re clever enough too!

Mordikan,

I'm not going to discount Murdock Family Trust just because it makes you feel bad.
As for exports, here you go.
Feel free to try and deny it, seems like something you're used to doing.

Murdoch’s media empire spans multiple countries, with strong conservative influence in:
United States:
Fox News, Fox Business, New York Post (via Fox Corporation)
United Kingdom:
The Sun, The Times, The Sunday Times (via News UK)

Across these regions, Murdoch’s companies control:
120+ newspapers across five countries
Multiple TV networks and digital platforms with conservative leanings

Murdoch’s outlets dominate:
UK: ~25% of print circulation and large digital reach
US: Fox News is the defacto and most-watched cable news channel in the country

I'm sorry if that makes you feel all bad inside, but fix your shit.

princessnorah,

Oh I understand now lovely, you just don’t know what a TERF is! How silly of me. So, a TERF is a Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. They call themselves feminists but they aren’t really pro-women. Does that make sense little one? 😊

Mordikan,

Whatever you say, sir.

princessnorah,

Very cool to misgender a trans woman, definitely care about TERFs.

Mordikan,

I don't know what you are and don't care. Only you care about that. To be fair, you did call me "sweatie", so I think I can call you whatever I want given you initiated, sir.

TipRing,

I don’t think any country in the anglosphere has a monopoly on exporting shitty people, but I’m hardly going to throw stones what with this glass house I live in.

pulsewidth,

The trade imbalance? With the US?

Take back your war on drugs, the war on terror, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, your insane tech broligarchy, rhe 2008 global financial crisis, your Evangelical hate brigades (actually you know what take back Mormons and Scientologists and 7th day adventists while youre at it), the GLOBAL trade disasters & inflation caused by Trump and his pissy tarrif wars, the global derailing of climate agreements again by Trump and his idiot Republican allies.

I’ll stop now because I could literally type all day the shit coming out of the US that has been causing immense damage to the rest of us.

What’s Australia’s shit?
Murdoch? He gave up Aussie citizenship and moved to the US in 1985, he’s spent the majority of his working career as an American living in America - we can at best take half ownership of him.
This handful of censorship wowsers taking down some rapey video games?
Mel Gibson?

Enlighten me because I think the numbers of your “trade imbalance” don’t even come close to adding up.

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

why bring up the us? “trade imbalance” usually refers to imports v exports of that country.

i think the australian coal industry definitely qualifies as “shitty exports”. they wanted to dig up the great barrier reef to make a coal harbour.

princessnorah,

I’ll add as well, the only reason any of this was possible is FOSTA/SESTA and that’s entirely on the US.

0li0li, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

They are ok with murder and war simulation then? ROFL Smells like another religious pressure group tbh, haven’t looked into them yet.

They should go after all violence in games and media then; we’ll see how well they can fend of the pressure… Not sure if they have the ressources to survive that, so I would LOVE to see them try.

princessnorah,

By all accounts they aren’t religious, we don’t have gestures broadly to American Evangelicalism going on here in Aus. They just seem to be TERFs and SWERFs.

tane69,

The religion of pure bigotry seems to be the most popular one these days, especially online

The_Decryptor,
@The_Decryptor@aussie.zone avatar

we don’t have gestures broadly to American Evangelicalism going on here in Aus.

Hillsong says hi.

NutinButNet,

Oh it goes deeper than that.

Check out their FAQ. They’re cool with the dehumanization of males too. They’re only advocating for “dehumanization” against females.

A game about torturing women? Unacceptable.

A game about torturing men? Acceptable 👍

They mention some bullshit about how one happens more often and the other doesn’t so that justifies being hypocrites.

ampersandrew, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Steam ignored them, presumably, because they sell their products in accordance with the law, and that’s all that ought to matter.

amino,

hot take: people ought to start forming morals outside of legal morality. a Lotta freaks are gonna end up illegal otherwise and the freak factor certainly includes some thing you do that your prudish neighbor doesn’t like

Goodeye8, (edited )

In this context it's definitely a hot take considering the prudish neighbor was able to make freaky shit "illegal" anyway, and in far greater capacity than any single government could. Rape and incest games ain't for me but when they get banned because a handful of people decide for the rest of us how the world is supposed to look like without anyone else getting a say in the matter I take serious offense. At least if they went the legal route the process would've a) been transparent and given an opportunity for others to make a case and b) not instantly affect the entire world.

This "scary government is going to take away your rights" just leads to private enterprises taking away your rights without any oversight. This entire thing is a case in point. The government can take away your rights but at least you have a way to fight for your rights, what are you going to do against oligopolistic payment processors taking away your rights?

amino, (edited )

i hate to inform you that these lobbying groups are acting exactly like a state would, actually. maybe don’t lecture to trans people and tell us how the state works, we interact with the state way more than you will ever have to 💋

what are you going to do against oligopolistic payment processors taking away your rights?

idk, what are YOU gonna do? are cis people gonna finally fight for trans autonomy or are they gonna act like us having autonomy is too insane?

are you gonna finally listen to us like when trans sex workers told you a decade ago that banks, the police and payment processors are policing our money or are you gonna let the issue fester because you don’t want your family to know you stand with trannies and whores?

Goodeye8,

Okay, the smug "you're not one of us so don't speak" argument... Alright, then we're just not going to have a discussion. Just don't forget that if one of these groups ever use payment providers to suppress trans rights you supported this.

amino,

not surprising at all that you chose to go the blue MAGA “enjoy your camps, then” route instead of taking a step back. the only smug person here was you not realizing you’re way out of your depth

Madagaskar_sky,

‘Blue MAGA’? Oh shit, please don’t tell me you voted for trump!

amino, (edited )

yeah, you got me. not liking liberals makes me a trump supporter. the overton window always ends at being a “progressive” slightly to the left of Ronald Reagan and anything beyond that is just the ice wall keeping us from finding out that the earth is flat

Goodeye8,

Do you know that you can edit your comment before you post? Because if you post and then edit the rest of comment in later others might miss that when replying? Anyway, not that you've actually addressed something in your previous comment I'm going to respond to that. I'm going to ignore what you've said right now because that shit is just too dumb to respond to.

idk, what are YOU gonna do?

I already complained to my government.

are cis people gonna finally fight for trans autonomy or are they gonna act like us having autonomy is too insane?

The fuck are you on about? I'm not against trans people. We should all have humane levels of rights.

are you gonna finally listen to us like when trans sex workers told you a decade ago that banks, the police and payment processors are policing our money or are you gonna let the issue fester because you don't want your family to know you stand with trannies and whores?

Again, the fuck? I'm also pro sex work because sex workers regularly get exploited and I think legalizing and regulation sex work would make their lives safer.

Also do you see how insane you act? I disagree with you on one thing and then you automatically assume I also disagree with you on (probably) all the other things. You're turning me into a villain in your own mind, and for what purpose? So you could dehumanize me? You're acting exactly like the conservatives who hate your guts.

nekbardrun,

Sorry, excuse me for making this comment, but I kinda think that the user Goodeye8 was agreeing with you since the start.

Anyways I wish you well.

Bronzebeard,

Berating people online who already agree with you is not how you get allies, dumbass.

CancerMancer,

What is it about trans people that has them standing up for capital all the time?

amino,

what is it with tankies that has them always forming red-brown alliances instead of supporting trans leftists?

CancerMancer,

Afraid I can’t say, I don’t believe China can do no wrong, or that Russia/North Korea are actually socialist, or other similar tankie nonsense.

What I can say is I’ve seen a shockingly large number of trans people standing up for the Visa/Mastercard oligopoly, Israel’s genocidal “military action”, private healthcare over single-payer / public options, etc… This is becoming difficult to ignore.

otp,

Rape and incest ain’t for me but I take serious offense when they get banned

phrasing

Goodeye8,

You do realize that was not the end of the sentence?

But just for you I added the word games and then moved the structure around.

otp,

Haha, it wasn’t the end of the sentence, but I don’t think the rest of the original sentence meaningfully changed that particular clause!

SomethingBlack, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

We need to ignore them, they’re obfuscating from the real issue. Payment processors should not have the ability to police content, full stop, end of discussion.

The person who tattled is absolutely irrelevant and a distraction

biofaust,

Ahem, you may want to listen to this: pca.st/…/007323a5-a2ba-4b4c-ab18-5307e0d31164

mohab, do gaming w Ghost of Yōtei's lo-fi beats mode sums up the very best and very worst of this very weird series

Hmm… I still have zero interest in this game series. They can do whatever they want, but I have zero interest in any western developer's take on Samurai.

It's like when Scorsese did Silence—it's nice he got to live his Kurosawa fantasy, but I have no interest in Eastern culture depicted through a Western lense, even if the source material is Eastern.

I wish they just go back to making Sly. I'd be all over an all new Sly game with fancy gadgets and shit.

BuboScandiacus,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

I think it’s interesting to see a culture interpreted by another one

Though sometimes it’s a bit cringe if you are familiar with the interpreted culture

knokelmaat,

Metal Gear is one of my favorite series of all time, and that’s an Eastern developer’s take on Western culture. Another series that comes to mind is Resident Evil.

I don’t see why this is necessarily a problem? Ghost of Tsushima already tells a rather loose story that borders on the fantastical, it never even attempts to be a historically correct depiction.

mohab,

I don't see why this is necessarily a problem?

I didn't say it was? I said I have no interest in it.

You and Sucker Punch can do anything y'all want—I can only talk about my preferences.

Metal Gear is one of my favorite series of all time, and that's an Eastern developer's take on Western culture.

Listen, I'm suffering through the drudgery that is Death Stranding's story RN, so last thing I need is for anyone to invoke Kojima in this context 😂 Someone please tell this dude "we don't understand how [insert made up technology] works" is not an excuse for shit writing 😂

knokelmaat,

Fair enough, you’re of course entitled to your interests however you see fit ;).

Death Stranding is a weird one. It has some of the most stupid writing in video games, but also has some really strong themes and moments too. I am talking about the first one as I don’t have the budget to buy the sequel at release prices. But Metal Gear Solid 1, 2, 3 are masterpieces in my opinion, and the strange Eastern interpretation of Western spy / military culture is part of what makes it so interesting to me :)!

chloyster,

DS 2 fucks and I’m all for the weirdness. Shit writing is def a you opinion thing

viral.vegabond,

Alright, I'll bite.

That seems like a really narrow-minded take. It comes off as arrogant, or maybe even prejudiced. Why deprive yourself of an objectively great gaming experience just because of some convoluted ideal that you've made up?

Also, if you really had zero interest, why even comment or be involved in the discussion at all?

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w SAG-AFTRA approves 2025 Video Game Agreement, officially concluding its strike

Well hopefully this means SAGs wanted clause that forced non-union actors to join SAG or leave a project after I think 3 (?) sessions on a job is NOT approved.

People can join a union if they want, but nobody should be forced to join a union against their will.

Zoomboingding, do games w SAG-AFTRA approves 2025 Video Game Agreement, officially concluding its strike
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

The new contract ensures “safety guardrails” around AI, which includes “consent and disclosure requirements for AI digital replica use and the ability for performers to suspend consent for the generation of new material during a strike”.

Great to see. Now we’ll see if this actually ends all of the voice actor strikes in the industry. I know there were a bunch that started due to this strike but actually hinge on the company’s stance on allowing non-union members to remain non-union.

malwieder, do games w Switch 2 vs Steam Deck: the Cyberpunk 2077 face-off
@malwieder@feddit.org avatar

For someone owning both devices and actually trying to decide which version to get, both are decent in portable mode with the Switch 2 taking the lead in docked mode (as the Deck doesn’t increase its power limits in docked mode whatsoever). So I’d probably get the Switch 2 version if I didn’t have a desktop PC to go with my Deck, but I do, so my “docked” experience (playing on my PC) is vastly superior anyway, with the Deck getting the portable part done.

For a technical comparison it’s kind of inaccurate I think. Yes, it’s certainly impressive that the Switch 2 can run this game in portable mode likely consuming less than 10 watts for the entire system while producing okay graphics. And it’s clear that DLSS does a lot of heavy lifting here, but:

  • The 8.9 watts figure is likely somewhat inaccurate because it’s based on approximate battery life while playing the game. Even if the game is played from 100% to 0%, there’s still inaccuracies because the specific battery likely won’t have 19.3 Wh exactly. Instead it’ll likely be a bit higher than that when brand new, and a bit lower with 100s of cycles.
  • The Switch 2 clearly consumes less power than the Deck needs to achieve “playable” framerates in Cyberpunk 2077, but that doesn’t tell us that much about the efficiency of just the SoC. I’d assume the Deck requires a little bit more juice for its OLED screen and also more for the rest of the system, for example the standard NVMe drive it uses. The “approximately 9 watts consumption” comparison they’re doing makes it look like the Switch 2 is around 3 times as efficient, but that’s not how efficiency curves work. You’re comparing the Deck at a power consumption level that’s probably the peak of Switch 2s efficiency curve.
  • Game settings are (currently?) impossible to match. Some can be matched, others are either some in-between on Switch or even “lower than low”, for example some models/geometry. I assume these changes have a large enough performance impact that CDPR thought they were worth to implement just for the Switch 2.
  • Scene-specific pixel counting wasn’t really done, so it’s not possible to say which device renders more “real” pixels (even though DLSS certainly seems to make the most out of these pixels).

I still think the Switch 2 is very impressive in terms of performance in portable mode, certainly more than I expected when hearing about the rumored Ampere architecture and the Samsung manufacturing process.

It also shows that something comparable to DLSS (likely FSR 4) would be hugely beneficial to PC handhelds so I hope that the Deck 2 will properly support that. Sad that AMDs Z2 series don’t, but I hope Valve is cooking another custom chip with AMD soon.

slowbyrne,

You might want to look into sunshine and moonlight for streaming from your PC to the steamdeck. It means your deck will only sip battery, fans will be whisper quite, and the graphics will be stellar, all for a tiny amount of latency.

who, do games w Switch 2 vs Steam Deck: the Cyberpunk 2077 face-off

Does anyone notice much difference between 25 fps and 30 fps at these screen sizes?

I don’t have one these handhelds, but in general, I’ve found that smaller screens make lower frame rates feel a lot less choppy.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

Why would a smaller screen make framerate not matter? Textures and resolution, sure, but framerate always matters.

who, (edited )

Because the distance (and the angle subtended within your field of vision) traveled by a moving object from one frame to the next is shorter.

The shorter the distance, the more it looks like smooth movement vs. sudden jumping.

MolochAlter,

Yes but frame rate is primarily about responsiveness, not aesthetics, which is why AI frame generation is a horseshit idea.

who, (edited )

Yes but frame rate is primarily about responsiveness, not aesthetics,

In games that tie physics and inputs to frame rate, 25-30 fps is about a 30-40 millisecond response in the worst case; usually less. That’s plenty fast enough in most games I’ve played. And not all games do that anyway. So I can’t say I agree with your statement as a general rule.

What game do you play where that’s not fast enough?

In any case, it’s irrelevant to my point. The comment you responded to is explicitly about the frame rates feeling choppy. Meaning visual effect.

MolochAlter,

You also said “feel” not “look”. If you exclusively meant aesthetics you should clarify it in your own comment.

Also, responsiveness is not about if something is “fast enough” it’s about making the thought>action gap as small as possible for better immersion and player control. Higher FPS means there is a more consistent time from input to effect. If i press a button in a 30 fps game the input delay can be anything from almost none to 1/30th of a second (30ms, which if you played online games back in the day is not great), and there is no way to tell how much it will be. The more frames the less of a possible variance you experience.

Also all input is tied to framerate, if you have examples of games that have their input loop completely separate from framerate I’m all ears, especially given rendering is not on demand.

who, (edited )

You also said “feel” not “look”.

I did, in order to express that I was thinking of overall sense conveyed by the visuals, rather than whether differences in frame rate could be noticed under scrutiny. Words often have multiple meanings depending on context.

[Edit: I also said “choppy”, referring to the slide-show-like visual effect that most of us have seen at very low frame rates. I also described animation mechanics that are obviously about the appearance of motion. So there was no reason to assume that I was talking about the inter-frame input lag on which you are so fixated.]

you should clarify it in your own comment.

I could, but I won’t. I already clarified for you twice. I’m not interested in further indulging your combative insistence on misinterpretating what I wrote, and nobody else seems to have had trouble understanding me. Bye bye.

Arcane2077,

Inability to learn from your mistakes is nothing to be proud of. Delete this

Agrivar,

Why are so many of the people from your instance argumentative assholes?

Don’t bother answering, you’re blocked.

Jakeroxs,

There’s argumentative asses all over Lemmy lately tbf

who, (edited )

Inability to learn from your mistakes is nothing to be proud of. Delete this

Someone misinterpreting what I wrote because they only paid attention to part of it does not make it a mistake.

When they follow up by trying to re-frame the topic that I started into a different one, and then criticize me for not having addressed their pet topic, and furthermore tell me I should have used different words so that they can avoid admitting their misunderstanding… well, that’s just willful aggression.

Much like your comment to me is aggressive, and rude. You are now blocked.

Arcane2077,

Inability to learn from your mistakes is nothing to be proud of. Delete this too

ms_lane,

The difference being 25 v. 30 is the murky side of DF here.

The game runs at 40fps on Switch2 in handheld and in docked with a 120hz display. DF chose to lock it to a 60hz display so the game would lock back to 30.

It’s disingenuous.

Nima, do games w Switch 2 vs Steam Deck: the Cyberpunk 2077 face-off
@Nima@leminal.space avatar

on steam at the moment, Cyberpunk is 20.99.

Switch 2 version is 69.99

👋thanks for trying nintendo.

Evkob,
@Evkob@lemmy.ca avatar

If you know where to look, a certain athletic woman can give it to you for free if you’re on a Steam Deck!

Zorque,

Wii fit trainer?

XiberKernel,

Now that’s one fit girl.

sugar_in_your_tea,

She even gets it done in Smash.

Slayan,

Nah it’s amélie poulain

BuboScandiacus,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

Or you could reward CDPR for maintaining support and releasing a wonderful DLC for it with a purchase on a platform that lets you own your games (and is incidentally owned by CDPR too)

OminousOrange,
@OminousOrange@lemmy.ca avatar

While I agree that one should support developers of games they enjoy if they are able, I recently tried another playthrough of this game and it reminded me how unpolished it is.

Things like

  • Quest NPCs taking very robot-like paths while walking (walk straight for 10 steps, turn right 90 degrees instantly, walk straight 5 steps…) instead of something more natural
  • Needing to wait 5 minutes for an NPC to get to a specific spot and/or complete actions before being able to continue conversation. Typically on the fight missions, you’d win the fight, they’d take 30 s to get up, then saunter over (using an unnatural path) to the designated spot, which then took another 10 seconds to activate the speech option finally.
  • Pedestrians diving into the road in front of your car instead of away.

Perhaps games like GTA spoiled us, but I just found these too annoying to continue.

BossDj,
@BossDj@piefed.social avatar

I don't know where to look. Please help

cyrano,

!piracy is a good start on the sidebar

Kinokoloko,

Do you know how to use said athletic woman’s installers on the Steam Deck, or Linux in general?

Evkob,
@Evkob@lemmy.ca avatar

Sometimes adding the installer as a non-Steam game and running it through Proton works, otherwise I use Lutris. You can find tutorials online for setting it up to use with FitGirl’s installers.

Although specifically for Cyberpunk 2077 I had issues with the install, so I found a no-install version, I believe from DODI.

simple,
@simple@piefed.social avatar

Nintendo aren't the ones who set the price

atticus88th,

Does Nintendo let you play content that you accidentally downloaded from the high seas? And do you need to worry about Nintendo killing your account for doing such a thing?

mang0,

At least e.g. steam can’t arbitrarily choose to brick your colputer

Nima,
@Nima@leminal.space avatar

no, they don’t. but the game has been out for 5 years at this point.

articles like these seem quite pointless to anyone who doesn’t already own a switch 2. and possibly pointless even to people who own a switch 2, but have already played cyberpunk on better or similar hardware.

this article is an attempt to pat a multi billion dollar company on the back so it doesn’t feel as bad that people aren’t racing out to buy their 5-year-late, overpriced attempts to dominate the handheld market again.

Zorque,

They’re literally selling faster than the original Switch, what the fuck are you smoking?

simple, (edited )
@simple@piefed.social avatar

Possibly the dumbest take I've ever seen on this site, are you saying an article objectively comparing the performance of two handhelds is "an attempt to pat a multi billion dollar company on the back"?

articles like these seem quite pointless to anyone who doesn't already own a switch 2.

"Performance comparisons are pointless if the results aren't what I like", I'm sure if the steam deck performed a lot better you would be in the comments singing praises for it. Digital foundry have been comparing performance for many years but suddenly now their findings are worthless.

Jakeroxs,

Yeah they’d never shill for Nintendo and fail to disclose it was an ad m.youtube.com/watch?v=V10wHzV5zp0

simple,
@simple@piefed.social avatar

They disclosed it many times and have talked about that video often, it doesn't affect their content. I didn't like it either but acting like they're not trustworthy because of one time they were sponsored is dumb

Jakeroxs,
malwieder,
@malwieder@feddit.org avatar

Well, at least for the physical edition, they have to account for the cost of the 64 GB game card they are using. Wasn’t that rumored to cost like $16 a piece?

Geth,

In theory it makes sense but in the past buying digitally as opposed to physically hasn’t netted anyone any savings. And with the new system where the card doesn’t even hold the actual game, it’s an even worse offering.

malwieder,
@malwieder@feddit.org avatar

Cyberpunk is on a 64 GB card that holds the entire game.

My point is that Nintendo does play a big factor in the price choice.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Buying on PC is a lot cheaper than buying on consoles typically, especially after a year or two, and PC sales are mostly (all?) digital now.

And the thing about cartridges not holding the game is limited to specific games, devs still have the option of putting the full game on a cartridge instead of the license option. All that happened here is that devs got another option on how to sell their game, so if you want to gift someone a digital game but want a physical item to give to them, the license on cartridge option is perfect, and AFAIK it preserves the ability to resell the game (may be dependent on the game though).

sugar_in_your_tea,

I highly doubt it costs that much. You can buy 64GB SD cards for ~$10 retail, which includes:

  • margin for retailer
  • margin for company “making” it
  • margin for factory producing it

If each step is something like 50% markup (not unheard of), the cost to actually get these things from a factory is probably about $2. Make it a bit more expensive because the packaging is unique to Nintendo, and their quantities are probably a bit less than regular retail SD cards, so maybe it’s like $5 per card.

That’s a lot more than an optical disk, which are probably under $1, but nothing too crazy.

I have no special insight here, just some general understanding of how retail works.

malwieder,
@malwieder@feddit.org avatar

There isn’t official pricing nor reliable sources out there so I’m going by rumors.

With your calculation you have to keep in mind that the Switch 2 cards have to somewhat match microSD Express speeds, so a more accurate comparison would be these, but they aren’t available in 64 GB sizes.

All I’ve heard is that they’re expensive and with the larger sizes often required for Switch 2 games it’s an even bigger problem than with Switch (1). These key cards exist for a reason. And I’d bet Nintendo takes a margin on these instead of only requiring the publisher to cover the manufacturing costs.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Yeah, I assume the key cards have a bit of margin, but they probably need to keep margins low on 64GB cards or devs won’t bother, and physical media does have value for Nintendo’s target market.

JimmyMcGill,

Or for me it would make CP2077 and hundreds of other games free to play on the Steam deck (since I already own them)

Samskara,
@Samskara@sh.itjust.works avatar

You can buy it on a cartridge for Switch and later resell it.

treyf711,

I don’t miss selling my two month old games for five dollars at GameStop.

Samskara,
@Samskara@sh.itjust.works avatar

Nintendo games have actual resale value. First party titles especially.

treyf711,

Normally, I would agree with you. In the case of game keys, even though I have a physical cartridge now I have to make sure that servers are still up and available for me to download a game. So the massive market for retro games is kind of null and void if you’ve got a cartridge with nothing but a transferable license agreement on it and no way to actually get the game.

cecilkorik, do pcgaming w Doom creator John Romero's next shooter project loses funding following Microsoft cuts
@cecilkorik@lemmy.ca avatar

I guess they are about to make John Romero their bitch now.

Jokes aside, it is sad to see all the cuts going on right now, especially since I think they’re stupid, shortsighted and misguided.

loreng, do gaming w Nintendo's free Switch 2 upgrades for key Switch 1 titles are remasters in all but name [Digital Foundry]

Are we really calling tweaking a config file a “remaster” now? This is the bare minimum for a new console, IMO, and it is absurdly disgusting they thought some of these “upgrade packs” should cost money.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

free Switch 2 upgrades

Come on, it's right there in the headline.

loreng,

I know that, I was speaking more generally.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

They're not charging for performance upgrades. The only paid DLC packs are the ones that are, well, actual DLC. What makes that more "disgusting" than any other DLC?

loreng,

Yes, they are. If you want 60 FPS and a higher resolution in the two open-world Zelda games, you either need to pay more or have NSO + Expansion Pack. There is no justifiable reason for these to be bundled in with the “Zelda Notes” shit (that’s a smartphone app and not even part of the game).

Blackmist,

I mean, that’s what publishers have been charging money for for way too long.

There’s been like three versions of The Last of Us 1, and I’ve got games older than that on my back list.

missingno, do gaming w Nintendo's free Switch 2 upgrades for key Switch 1 titles are remasters in all but name [Digital Foundry]
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

Hoping to see more third-party devs update their games. It's ironic that the worst ports are the ones that benefit the most. Games that were just thrown onto the Switch 1 with no effort to reach acceptable performance suddenly perform well now. As long as the framerate wasn't capped, it might just hit 60 on Switch 2.

But games that were downgraded to properly fit onto the system can't revert those downgrades. Capped framerates remain so, those games need patches to uncap them.

Some of the games I most want to play on Switch 2 are ones that remain stuck at 30fps still...

theangriestbird,

Capped framerates are so frustrating. Wish they would just use vsync, which would lock to 30 but will jump to 60fps any time the hardware can handle the scene. Maybe it’s not that easy to do in some cases, idk.

viral.vegabond, do gaming w Nintendo's free Switch 2 upgrades for key Switch 1 titles are remasters in all but name [Digital Foundry]

I'll look forward to playing them in about 10 years probably.

overload,

Yep, waiting for the cynically released OLED version halfway through the gen in 3-4 years.

viral.vegabond,

"cynically released"

Ha! I like that.

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