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Stovetop, do games w Doom: The Dark Ages' PS5 physical release reportedly has just 85MB on disc, and Xbox isn't much bigger

So much for physical media.

DmMacniel, do games w Doom: The Dark Ages' PS5 physical release reportedly has just 85MB on disc, and Xbox isn't much bigger
@DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

How to fricking blur erase the line between physical and digital. DISGUSTING!

warm,

Discs have just been a physical license key for a long time now. It's kind of wasteful to even ship discs and the plastic cases anymore, some kind of little card with a chip on would suffice.

DmMacniel,
@DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

That would be way more reasonable than wasting Blu-ray’s for less than a percent of its storage capacity being used by a fricking stub.

catloaf,

That’s what they’re doing with Switch games now and people are still getting their panties in a twist.

Personally I’ve long since switched to all digital downloads. Even if it eventually becomes inaccessible, either I don’t plan on playing it more, or I’ll pirate and emulate it.

Die4Ever,
@Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com avatar

Optical discs are extremely cheap, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s cheaper than a 128MB chip of storage.

warm,

I meant enviromentally. I couldnt care less about the cost to the companies.

Die4Ever,
@Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com avatar

maybe, fabricating chips and soldering to boards doesn’t come without environmental costs either

obviously the companies won’t care about that enough to find out lol

Katana314,

What most people get irked about is loss of ownership, which can be a separate topic with careful management. For instance, if you buy an ItchIO game, there’s no DRM and you can copy it anywhere - I imagine many would be fine with digital downloads if everywhere used that system, but on the corporate side they’d likely be grumbling about piracy.

warm,

Yea, but I dont think anyone who is buying a console these days cares about ownership like that.

Physical media died a long time ago on PC. The DRM-free options exist as downloads.

ActuallyGoingCrazy, do games w Doom: The Dark Ages' PS5 physical release reportedly has just 85MB on disc, and Xbox isn't much bigger

At least they gave up pretending to put the whole game on disc since they’re unplayable without a 60gb+ day one Patch anyways…

technomad, do games w Doom: The Dark Ages' PS5 physical release reportedly has just 85MB on disc, and Xbox isn't much bigger

Why even bother? It seems wasteful, to say the least.

otacon239, (edited ) do games w Doom: The Dark Ages' PS5 physical release reportedly has just 85MB on disc, and Xbox isn't much bigger

tl;dr Dark Ages doesn’t have anything left that made Doom 2016 fun for me

I had a real sense that The Dark Ages wasn’t going to be my game. Am I the only one tired of games just piling on completely new feature sets and complicated feature sets to remember, level over level?

I enjoyed Doom 2016 because for a large portion of the game, the mechanics were simple enough that you could get into flow state even at the higher difficulties. I couldn’t make it halfway through Eternal before I was annoyed at having to switch strategy every 5 seconds.

Dark Ages looks more like an Action RPG than Doom. Not to mention the constant tutorial interruptions. Can we go back to ammo, health and maybe grenades for once in a AAA game? It always feels like AAA means complicated game mechanics, rather than letting a simple gameplay loop speak for itself in a AAA environment with all the other benefits that come with it.

Last thing to add, the intro level of Dark Ages looked incredibly bland, like it was a midpoint level of one of the other games. The game just sort of assumes that the other games have been played and that you enjoyed them and starts from there, rather than standing on its own.

AntelopeRoom,

I don’t know much about the Dark Ages because I haven’t played it yet. I am somewhat skeptical of the shift in tone and the introduction of melee components like shield. Doom is about blasting demons on Mars. The medival stuff is a bit weird. I actually did like Eternal though, and felt it brought back the faster gameplay that 2016 lacked.

warm,

DOOM 2016 captured the essence of the originals with some added systems, but they never felt too invasive. Eternal threw that out the window, seems like this is the same. Just more AAA slop for insane prices.

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

Fuckin shame, I was hoping for more of the 2016 vibe.

JigglySackles,

I got through eternal, and for the most part had fun. (fuck marauders) But the damn skill ceiling in the DLC killed my interest in completing those. 2016 was definitely my favorite of the two and I really liked the back too roots mechanics. The devs have talked about how they want to do something different in each game and how Dark Ages is intended to be more grounded than eternal and hopefully less complicated. Also has tons of difficulty sliders for every little aspect of the game so it should be much more tailorable than previous games.

RejZoR,

Eternal was stupid with forced mechanics and arena like encounters.

JigglySackles,

Yeah, i ham fisted my own strategies until I got though. But it definitely made it harder since I wasn’t doing ballet on my keyboard.

TriflingToad,

it’s not for everyone 🤷‍♀️

Doom Eternal is one of my favorite games precisely because you switch weapons so often and are a slaughter machine. I beat the dlcs and had a blast. I enjoyed the difficulty honestly, it forced me to get better and actually feel like I ‘deserved’ to have the power of the doomslayer. The Marauder has to be my favorite enemy in all of gaming. He was SO hard the first time but once you learn how to counter him you can FUCK HIM UPP. It’s so satisfying to completely 180 him and turn him to a pile of gibs. The 2 at once fight in the first DLC was my favorite encounter of the whole game.

Tutorial hints were super annoying though, however you can just turn them off in settings.

2016 was boring for me tbh. Super excited for dark ages.

Die4Ever,
@Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com avatar

Eternal is so intense, 2016 feels slow and boring and simple in comparison. I prefer depth over simplicity. IDK about Dark Ages though, it looks slower with less mobility/verticality

WhiteBurrito,

I agree, I like both, but Eternal does force you to use most of your weapons and other systems continuously, like having to use demons as piñatas. The DLC is brutal, I remember having to stop for a breather after a particular spot because it was too hectic, I was bouncing around the level trying to kill everything but also basically always being at the brink of death, pure adrenaline . 2016 is not bad either, is just a good game overall, it captures the same feeling as the original games, it’s slower, but it’s still damn enjoyable, and that’s also ok.

I just started The Dark ages yesterday and it DOES feel more bland vs eternal IMO (at least the first level), and the shield homing attack seems dumb to me IMO, but it’s still simple fun being an unstoppable demon slayer

catloaf,

Yeah I guess they wanted to take each new Doom game in a new direction. Which is a shame, because they don’t really feel like Doom, they feel like other games with a Doom theme. Even Doom 3, which was more horror than action, still felt like Doom. Because of that, I liked it, even if a lot of people didn’t.

the_q,

OK boomer-shooter.

This was a joke.

nul9o9,

For me, Doom Eternal was the most fun. But I missed 2016s visual style.

SplashJackson, do games w Doom: The Dark Ages' PS5 physical release reportedly has just 85MB on disc, and Xbox isn't much bigger

Talk about optimization!

nagaram, do games w Doom: The Dark Ages' PS5 physical release reportedly has just 85MB on disc, and Xbox isn't much bigger
@nagaram@startrek.website avatar

Do they even make disks with enough space for a modern game? Secondly, would a spinning disk be fast enough for it?

I feel like the only way for truly physical media in the AAA space to be a thing again is if people are willing to pay an extra $60+ for an external SSD that holds the game.

catloaf,

Blu-rays can hold up to 128GB (BDXL, quadruple-layer).

Read speed could be an issue, but if you’re smart about preloading and compress what’s on disc, you have to read less data (you just have to decompress it in memory instead). If you want to get really fancy, there are compression algorithms that let you seek inside compressed data so that you don’t have to load the whole archive.

nagaram,
@nagaram@startrek.website avatar

Well there’s all the problems then

Asking a AAA studio to make their game sub 128 GB AND optimize it in anyway is a tall ask

Railcar8095,

They don’t even need to optimize, forced install is OK. If I’m going to have the complete game on the drive anyway, at least save me download times.

Wispy2891,

AND complete it 1-2 months before release date to allow manufacturing and shipping.

They complete it 1-2 months AFTER release date now…

Emil_Zatopek1982, do games w Grand Theft Auto 4 for PS5, Xbox Series X/S reportedly in development, could release this year

The best one.

ATDA, do games w Grand Theft Auto 4 for PS5, Xbox Series X/S reportedly in development, could release this year

Ok but don’t fix the swing set of doom. A significant portion of my playtime was trying to best my longest launch.

ummthatguy,
@ummthatguy@lemmy.world avatar
Danitos,

The car deformation physics of the game were so damn good and fun

victorz,

The last guy at the end and his 1-frame death 💀

echodot,

It’s not a bug, the swing sits in New York just do that.

OldSageRick, do games w Grand Theft Auto 4 for PS5, Xbox Series X/S reportedly in development, could release this year

Never thought I say this, but we gonna get GTA 4 before GTA6

spankmonkey,
@spankmonkey@lemmy.world avatar

We already did, but we will again too!

Lost_My_Mind,

Hi Mitch!

fluxion,

Man, it’s been so long i forgot we were up to 5 already and thought this was the new GTA.

echodot,

I’m taking bets on whether we’ll get GTA 7 before GTA 6

otacon239, do games w Grand Theft Auto 4 for PS5, Xbox Series X/S reportedly in development, could release this year

GTA IV reoptimized to run in modern hardware with less or at least more reasonable piss filter would be a nice upgrade. None of the visual mods could get ride of the weird haze around everything.

SolarPunker, (edited ) do games w Doom: The Dark Ages' PS5 physical release reportedly has just 85MB on disc, and Xbox isn't much bigger

Imagine the same for a blu-ray film…

daniskarma,

Don’t give them ideas.

el_bhm,

SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH SATAN

Wispy2891,

The worst part is that it’s technically possible to do that using the bd-live 2.0 specification

DoucheBagMcSwag, do games w Grand Theft Auto 4 for PS5, Xbox Series X/S reportedly in development, could release this year

$69.99 at launch guaranteed.

No

Fucking

Thanks

OldSageRick,

🏴‍☠️

Savvy?

madame_gaymes,
@madame_gaymes@programming.dev avatar

The original will probably run better, too. I bet this is another TES IV situation where they stitched UE5 on top of the original game engine. The release pattern of being completely quiet, then random leak, then it drops is eerily similar.

Lost_My_Mind,

$0 because I still own my PS3, and physical copy of the game.

DoucheBagMcSwag,

Played it on Xbox series X last year and have no desire to go back to it. I enjoyed the story and I’m done with it

shiroininja,

Been playing it on PC. Performs better at 1440p that 1080p for reasons I don’t understand

Baggie,

Hope you’re running on Vulkan, for me it went from 30ish fps to an illegally high number for some ungodly reason.

shiroininja,

I’ll have to check. I’m running it on Linux via proton, so it might get complicated

victorz,

Then surely it’s via Vulkan? Is Proton able to use anything else under the hood?

shiroininja,

Honestly I don’t know lol

dangrousperson,

Well there is d9vk and dxvk which translates directX 9, 10 and 11 to Vulkan and vkd3d which translates direct3D (directX 12) to Vulkan. So it’s all Vulkan on the Linux side, Proton ‘just’ uses one of these to translate the game into Vulkan or passes it through if the game is already Vulkan.

I don’t think there is a native (to GTA IV) Vulkan renderer in game though and therefore there isn’t anything more you can or have to do on Linux.

On Windows, some older games actually get performance improvements from the translation to Vulkan.

victorz,

Can you use Proton on Windows too? Cool if so.

dangrousperson,

No, not Proton, but the dxvk stuff works on Windows too. You just need to replace some .dll files

victorz,

Ah neat. Thanks for explaining!

Baggie,

Ah yeah then that’s Vulkan

sugar_in_your_tea,

It’s probably because things get janky on high FPS. I wasn’t able to complete the game until I capped the FPS in the final mission (helicopter scene).

victorz,

I read this as with a comma: “no fucking, thanks”.

echodot,

That’s what she said.

victorz,

All too often.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Someone’s not a fan of hot coffee.

victorz,

How did you know. I hate coffee in general. Never learned to, or needed to learn to drink it.

ChuckTheMonkey, do games w Grand Theft Auto 4 for PS5, Xbox Series X/S reportedly in development, could release this year
@ChuckTheMonkey@fedia.io avatar

I hope they could re release a PC version as well.
Current GTA IV PC version is laughable on modern hardware. The optimization mod works ok most of the time. But sometime it stutters like crazy and I need a hard PC reboot to fix it.

ShortFuse, do games w Grand Theft Auto 4 for PS5, Xbox Series X/S reportedly in development, could release this year

Only reason I haven’t modded HDR for this game is because it’s DX9 and a pain to mod. (I already did GTAV - Enhanced and GTA Trilogy Remastered since it’s UE). If they make a new port for PC it’ll be able to complete the set.

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