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ebenixo, do games w BioWare lays off senior writing staff as part of its recent job cuts

Experience doesn’t matter to companies anymore. They’ll get college hires to do the role and reward them for mediocrity

Call_Me_Maple, do games w BioWare lays off senior writing staff as part of its recent job cuts
@Call_Me_Maple@lemmy.world avatar

The time of the LLMs is upon us. Settle in everyone, it’s going to be a very bumpy ride.

NathanielThomas, do games w BioWare lays off senior writing staff as part of its recent job cuts

Writers, who the fuck needs them, eh?

It’s not like writers ever made Mass Effect good or anything. I mean, something something Reapers, big whatever.

Kahlenar,

Well, now I can’t tell if the writing for ME was good or bad

fckreddit, do games w Rockstar Games' vice president of writing leaves after 16 years

So, I don’t really have high hopes for GTA VI and absolutely none for RDR3.

gk99,

If you were okay with “man, after getting away from a life of crime, is immediately pulled back in by people who don’t have his best interests at heart and will use him to betray others before eventually getting betrayed themselves” for over two decades, I don’t think you need to worry. Took until RDR2 to break that mold.

Tavarin,
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GTA VI is probably already written, so should be fine.

Contend6248,

Yes, when good people leave, you know there is no problem.

Reminds me of Jeff Kaplan, everything went down the drain after that, and people called me negative thinking.

Madison_rogue, do gaming w Destiny 2 players are pre-ordering and cancelling The Final Shape just to get an exotic gun
@Madison_rogue@kbin.social avatar

For a fusion rifle? Meh...

doggle, do games w Destiny 2 players are pre-ordering and cancelling The Final Shape just to get an exotic gun

Character in the thumbnail is throwing the kukri backwards

mihnt,
@mihnt@kbin.social avatar

akchuawly, that's more like a saw back recurve bowie. Kukris have a curve along the spine.

LordBelphegor, do games w BioWare lays off senior writing staff as part of its recent job cuts

do CEOs think AI is gonna fill in? lol

nanoUFO,
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They don’t care about the quality as long as it’s passable most of these people are underpaid anyway. AAA setting the bar lower and lower is nothing new.

CIWS-30, do gaming w Destiny 2 players are pre-ordering and cancelling The Final Shape just to get an exotic gun

Honestly, given how toxic Destiny 2's monetization can be, along with its FOMO, I'm not surprised. That + the grind was why I quit. It got tiring and repetitive, especially the buy to play seasons.

man_in_space, do games w Rockstar Games' vice president of writing leaves after 16 years
@man_in_space@kbin.social avatar

Maybe now they will move past milking GTA V?

BleatingZombie,

Or they might stick the their guns and only milk GTA V

Corkyskog,

GTA Online could have been so great, but instead it feels like they put no effort into doing anything but selling new DLC. The missions are boring and unrewarding, the motivation to work with others is nil, there is no good teaming system, it’s incredibly complicated to start any business and the guide is lacking to the point where there might as well not have been a guide at all. Then if you say fuck it, I am going to attempt this all on my own someone comes up and frags you with a rocket launcher 3 seconds into attempting to pick a lock.

So frustrating. It could have been the coolest game ever and it’s just a pile of shit.

Polydextrous, do games w Rockstar Games' vice president of writing leaves after 16 years

That’s troubling. I’ve been playing the shit out of both GTA V and RDR 2 because they have the two best campaigns I’ve ever played. Especially RDR2. It was unique in its trajectory, in its beats…I really hope the follow ups, (however many years down the road those might be) won’t be affected too much by this. The writing made those games what they are.

I haven’t played baldurs gate, but I’ve been seeing a lot about it, mostly positive. Interesting, the news about that company. Being successful doesn’t usually call for a massive shakeup. But that’s capitalism for you. Fuck the workers, squeeze more out of those you keep. Classic.

Squizzy,

As someone who has a very small selection of games they like, play God of War. I never played any of them before the 2018 game and I loved it. I start it again and play through like once a year to 100%. Only game I ever 100%ed.

Loved RDR and GTA but not much else has kept my interest anyway close to GoW except maybe Hitman.

TheDarkKnight,

Speculating but they’ve probably already wrapped up all the writing for GTA VI and planned to move on after that. Imagine with Houser leaving we’ll see a few more vets as they finish up their roles for VI.

pulaskiwasright,

RDR2 is the only character driven AAA game I’ve ever seen. I don’t think another one even exists. It was a masterpiece of a story.

circuitfarmer,
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RDR2 straight up fucked me up. I’ve never had such an emotional response to a game as that one.

And (maybe foolishly), I didn’t expect it. I walked right into the end of that storyline and got my ass handed to me.

lordxakio,

When you walk into the drunk guys home for his money and kill him, but his son goes “pa, pa, pa…” I know it’s a video game, but I wasn’t expecting that. It was one of those moments where i can never forget. I felt like I actually hurt a person in my mind and kept thinking about it, still do. Absolutely the best game that brings you into the fold as a player.

Jakeroxs,

What about Larian?

Polydextrous,

I dunno, I’m not a huge gamer. I’ve had just FIFA and gta v on my console for years happily. Rdr2 is a newer purchase for me and I love it. But I don’t really like fantasy games, so I’m not really larian’s audience.

I like shooting and driving and open worlds. And soccer. I put off getting rdr2 for so long because I couldn’t drive. I regret writing it off because I was definitely wrong about it

Jakeroxs,

Oh I thought you were saying they had some similar senior staff depart the company after bg3 released

Polydextrous,

I was saying I’ve been hearing good things about BG3 and saw they fired a lot of people to “streamline” the company. I was just deriding capitalism for that insane mindset

Jakeroxs,

I don’t see anything about Larian letting go of people after bg3 release

Polydextrous,

In related news, as part of its recently publicised cutbacks, BioWare has “let go of” Lukas Kristjanson, the lead writer behind Baldur’s Gate 1 and 2, and the writer of the first three Dragon Age games, Mary Kirby.

Oh it wasn’t Larian, that name was mentioned to me so I just assumed from the quote above without rereading. I dunno the connection between larian and BioWare, but they’re obviously releasing games together? Or sharing titles?

Jakeroxs,

Gotcha, so Baldurs gate 1 and 2 were released by bioware it 1998 and 2000 respectively, the lead writer for those games was let go by bioware recently, Larian is a completely separate company that got the IP rights to do BG3 👍 I can see where the confusion came in lo Edit: More context in the development section of en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldur's_Gate_3

Gork,

You can “drive” a horse in RDR2 lol

sugar_in_your_tea,

GTA V? Really? I absolutely hated the story in that, and I hated the characters. Here are some of my issues with it:

Trevor:

  • interesting epilogue, but otherwise pretty much no character arc
  • really wanted to see him try to take on the Los Santos gangs (DLC!)

Franklin:

  • largely just does whatever Michael says
  • wanted to start a dealership, but he kinda gives up once he makes it big (DLC!)

Michael:

  • arc was okay, but he didn’t seem like a good fit for main character, especially when Franklin gets the ending

All in all, I felt like the three character perspective was largely a distraction from the lack of actual storytelling. SA and IV didn’t have that, so they actually had a meandering plot with some character development to round it all out.

I haven’t finished RDR2 (it’s so long!), but I really loved RDR and heard that story for RDR2 is even better.

Polydextrous,

I mean, I’d argue that GTA V didn’t have the most emotional storytelling, but it wasn’t a character driven game like RDR2. The characters had the stories they did because they each opened up different avenues into different types of crimes. They didn’t focus on it. The characters were all insufferable. But that doesn’t mean the writing for the story itself wasn’t good. Yeah, the characters all kinda sucked, but the storytelling propelled the tension and wasn’t just some lame bullshit that felt like it needed to be there. The characters don’t develop that much, but the backstory was great, the intrigue and the vastness of the word made it great. That’s all writing. But you’re right, it couldn’t stand alone as a character driven story.

RDR2 on the other hand is a character driven story at its heart. You definitely need to play it because it’s incredibly well done. If you’re looking for good storytelling, emotional connections to the characters’ trajectories, and a great fuckin game, RDR2 is where you wanna be.

sugar_in_your_tea,

I’m not expecting RDR-levels of storytelling or anything, and the original RDR is way better than any of the GTAs in terms of storytelling and characters. However, GTA V felt like such a downgrade from previous entries.

GTA V starts out strong, with a fun heist sequence, which gets the player excited for more. And then the next thing we see is Michael at marriage counseling, and then we meet Franklin, who seems ready to take up Michael’s mantle. Then we see Trevor, who is now running drugs in the rural area, which is also pretty exciting. At the start, I was excited to see all three develop their individual storylines, with Franklin just getting into the underground, Trevor establishing himself as a drug kingpin, and Michael getting his last heist in.

But instead of that, Trevor and Franklin kind of give up on their arcs and they just focus on helping Michael with the heist. Why? Why doesn’t Trevor try to take over the drug trade in Los Santos? Why doesn’t Franklin try to start his own dealership? Or at least steal cars as side content? If they’re really interested in heists, why is there only about five of them? Why can’t I go do more after finishing the main storyline? What about Las Venturas, doing heists there would be a ton of fun!

To me, the storytelling really dragged once Trevor came to Los Santos, which was more than half of the game. In fact, I dropped it and came back about three times (restarting twice) because it was so uninteresting, until I finally forced myself to speed through the story just so I could cross it off my list so I wouldn’t feel the need to come back. I didn’t have the same problem with either GTA SA or GTA IV, and I even finished GTA IV after GTA V (played off and on on console before GTA V, then bought and played through on PC).

And the world felt small to me. I know it was physically bigger than every other GTA game, but it felt so much smaller than GTA SA, which was able to fit three cities and a rural area and still make them feel far apart (GTA V just had one city and a rural area), and it felt similar to GTA IV. I didn’t feel any desire to explore like I did with SA. The backstory was interesting, but I think it just highlighted how disappointing the rest of the story was.

In fact, I even like GTA III more than GTA V. It’s pretty janky to play today, but it still has that OG charm to it.

So I honestly don’t understand why it’s so loved. Nothing about it really stood out to me aside from the graphics and performance of the engine. I didn’t like the driving as much as IV (controversial take), the humor felt bland to me, and I didn’t find any of the side characters particularly interesting, except maybe Lamar, and he also largely gave up on his arc.

So GTA V is by far my least favorite of the series, so much so that I’m not looking forward to GTA VI.

Silverseren, do games w BioWare lays off senior writing staff as part of its recent job cuts

Well, surely this is a good look for future game prospects and their level of writing quality. Surely...

Chozo, (edited ) do games w Destiny 2 players are pre-ordering and cancelling The Final Shape just to get an exotic gun

This is some pretty trash reporting, which is odd considering that Eurogamer usually isn't this bad. But their source for this is a Twitter thread from Luckyy10P? The dude is widely known as the biggest clown in the Destiny community, and every piece of "news" he covers is greatly exaggerated drama that only like three players ever complained about, but he presents as some massive community-wide issue.

Nobody's buying and then cancelling their $100 preorders just to keep one of the most mid guns that Bungie has ever released. Tessellation is not that good of a gun. Maybe it will be good when the catalyst is released in The Final Shape (though you won't be able to even get the catalyst without owning the expansion), but right now pretty much every trusted Destiny community member is confirming that the gun serves little to no real purpose in the current sandbox.

If Eurogamer wants to cover nonsense from Luckyy, they should be inquiring about his child support payments.

GreenMario, do games w Destiny 2 players are pre-ordering and cancelling The Final Shape just to get an exotic gun

On one hand, 😂

The other, aren’t they just gonna delete that gun from your inventory? A simple check if expansion == owned is all they gotta do?

Chozo,

Bungie 100% can remove the gun from people's inventories, but they won't. They're usually pretty hands-off on stuff like this, because your inventory is accessible cross-platform, but your purchased expansions are not. So they'll leave the gun in your inventory because they know that the possibility exists that some people may change their minds on their original purchase and re-buy the expansion for a different platform.

GreenMario,

Huh. Loophole. Well I’ll be 🤣

DagonPie,
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Ive done this a couple times and you get to keep all the pre order bonuses.

Pistcow, do games w BioWare lays off senior writing staff as part of its recent job cuts

How hard is it to write “pick a color”?

DrQuint,

Depends on how much you get to crunch.

RxBrad, do games w BioWare lays off senior writing staff as part of its recent job cuts
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Would Mass Effect Andromeda’s writers be considered senior staff at this point?

UrPartnerInCrime, (edited )

That’s what I was wondering. This may not be a terrible decison.

Edit: because I didn’t read I was wrong

TheMinions,

From the article:

As part of its recently publicised cutbacks, BioWare has “let go of” Lukas Kristjanson, the lead writer behind Baldur’s Gate 1 and 2, and the writer of the first three Dragon Age games, Mary Kirby.

killeronthecorner,

Welp

GreenMario,

I didn’t even think they had anyone from the BG era still there.

Imagine having the same job for 23 years and then going “fuck you bye”.

circuitfarmer,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

There is no social contract anymore.

TWeaK,

I wouldn’t mind it, typically that level of service comes with redundancy pay. Depends where he was based, if he was working in the US then he’d probably be left high and dry, because US employment is shit.

MrScottyTay,

Could’ve been a mutual decision. They may have taken the hot because they were already thinking of leaving at some point anyway. That sort of thing happens sometimes.

naticus,

Lol I don’t even have to imagine that. It’s funny you point out 23 years because that’s exactly how long I worked at my previous job before moving on in 2022.

Steeve,

Dude could be getting a severance package over a year long at this point, I don’t know if that’s a “fuck you bye”

GreenMario,

The good ending.

Blizzard,

The fuck? Hope he gets hired at Larian.

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