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Tudsamfa, do games w What games popularized certain mechanics?

Im pretty sure the actual, physical Trading card games like MtG and Pokemon gave us all these games with card mechanics in the late 90s/early 2000s.

Culdcept (1997), Baiten Kaitos (2003), Kingdom Hearts - Chain of Memories (2004). Then the card games weren’t as popular for a bit, then the digital ones died out.

And then Blizzard released Hearthstone in 2014. I haven’t played the other ones to know for sure, but I believe Yu-Gi-Oh Master duels crafting system can directly trace it’s roots to it. Trade cards for dust of a specific rarity, dust from 3 can form a new card, Shiny cards give enough dust on their own for any card, etc. .

nokturne213,

I really thought hearthstone came out much easier than 2014.

djsoren19,

I think it had like a year long beta where people were playing before full release. I know I was personally playing in 2013.

nokturne213,

I remember playing WoW and working on getting all of the battle pets available by playing other blizzard games. But I thought this was in 2012. There was at least one obtained by playing hearthstone.

ICastFist, do games w What games popularized certain mechanics?
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Street Fighter 2 popularized and pretty much set to stone what a tournament fighter game should be. Mortal Kombat came first, but its single-player progression was this weird “tower” with some gimmick fights thrown in, like you vs 2.

Thinking about it, I’d say Mortal Kombat popularized the “REALLY fucking cheap sub boss/final boss” that many other fighting games have (looking at you, SNK) - I mean, good luck getting close to Goro in the first place.

I wonder which korean mmo could be considered as the one that de facto popularized pay-to-win as an integral mechanic.

Diablo hands down popularized not only the action RPG genre, but also having enemies as loot mystery boxes. One lucky kill and you could get your hands on a really great piece of equipment. The amount of clones speaks for itself.

I think Gran Turismo popularized the “carreer mode” of racing games.

ampersandrew,
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Mortal Kombat did not come first. It was quite openly inspired by Street Fighter II.

Sylvartas,

Dude, I have not played mortal kombat in ages but I still seethe at the mere mention of Goro

tigeruppercut,

M Bison cheated a lot in sf2

Ragnarok314159,

Being able to instantly use moves that required the player to charge was bullshit.

ICastFist,
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He was a cheap motherfucker, but nowhere as much as Goro, who had unblockable moves and could interrupt your hits and combos

tigeruppercut,

Yeah Goro was probably cheaper overall, but the CPU in general in SF had unblockable moves and invincibility that they used to interrupt your attack. Of course, input reading goes on in a lot of games and MKI was I’m sure no exception (found this MKII video about it). I think it just got ramped up even more for M Bison, so he ended up being pretty comparable to the MK bosses as well.

Peffse, do games w What games popularized certain mechanics?

Batman: Arkham Asylum’s free-flowing combo system was copied by many future games.

ampersandrew,
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And unfortunately, not one of them did it better.

warbond,

The Spider-Man games come close, but that first Arkham game was just so well done

ampersandrew,
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They might be closest, but they’re still pretty far off. One of the core pillars of Arkham combat is that it would punish you for button mashing by dropping your combo, meaning you not only gain fewer points at the end of combat but also lose access to your instant finishers, which are all too valuable for taking out the toughest opponents. Spider-Man is happy to let you mindlessly mash, and it’s far worse off for it.

VindictiveJudge,
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Might just be because I’m just starting out, but Spider-Man’s combat is much more punishing for me. Could just be the higher emphasis on using specific combos on certain enemies, which I have some difficulty keeping straight.

pyre,

i think Shadow of Mordor did actually. the system was pretty similar but it didn’t feel as magnetic, which is an improvement.

ampersandrew,
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I did like the magnetic nature of Arkham, and since Mordor lacked it, they let you hold your combo streak for longer, which also made it too easy.

pyre,

yeah i don’t care so much about ease, i care about how it feels. Arkham’s combat was fun, but the insane distances you could instantly travel made it feel like the game was playing itself. mordor’s solution is better imo. but it obviously comes down to personal preference.

ampersandrew,
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I felt it was more about the “free flow” in the free flow combat system in Arkham. You want it to all chain together, and Arkham made sure you only hit the buttons you needed to exactly as many times as you needed to. Mordor let you keep your combo going even though it had been like 10 seconds since the last time you did anything, which wasn’t exactly flowing at that point. That combo system was a great fit for Batman, and it would fit in nicely with Jason Bourne or John Wick as well, and I’m not sure Lord of the Rings was the best fit for it, but it doesn’t seem like many are trying to do that combat style anymore.

Blackmist,

I always feel like Prince of Persia: Sands of Time got there first.

KingThrillgore, do games w Geoff Keighley: No Silksong in Gamescom. Team Cherry are still cooking.
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Silksong soon to join Duke Nukem Forever and Half Life 3 in the halls of “never released.”

acosmichippo, (edited ) do games w What games popularized certain mechanics?
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funny how no one even mentioned World of Warcraft for MMOs because it’s too obvious.

Grangle1,

There were popular MMOs before WoW, such as Runescape and Everquest. WoW just took a popular genre and rocketed it into the stratusphere.

bitjunkie,

I tried UO, AC, EQ1+2 and can say that WoW’s beloved IP, look and feel, and relative lack of clunkiness in the controls and animations were big differentiators for me.

dogslayeggs,

The question was, “what games popularized certain mechanics.” The question was not, “what games created or introduced certain mechanics.”

Yes, there were other MMOs before WoW, but WoW took MMOs to a completely new level of popularity. I didn’t play ANY MMOs before WoW and wasn’t really interested to, but it was so popular that I jumped on to see what the deal was. Since then I have played ESO, LOTRO, AOC, and one other whose name I forget.

Other MMOs were popular among gaming nerds before WoW, but WoW made MMOs popular to normal people.

djsoren19,

because it’s flat out wrong. WoW aped most of its systems from Everquest, which most of WoW’s development team was actively playing. They made some improvements on the genre, but the bones existed as early as 1997 with Ultima Online.

sushibowl,

WoW was like the iPhone of MMOs. Didn’t invent anything, just put it all together in a coherent, accessible, user friendly package.

acosmichippo,
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the question was “popularized” not “invented”.

djsoren19,

I promise you, Everquest was plenty popular at the time, and it didn’t invent those things either.

acosmichippo,
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sure, we can quibble on the threshold of “popular” here. but you can’t question that WOW caused an absolute explosion in MMOs after it. not like anything before.

PalmTreeIsBestTree, do games w What games popularized certain mechanics?

Crush the Castle inspired Angry Birds and several other games with the same catapult mechanic. Loved that flash game way before Angry Birds was put on the App Store.

Wahots, do gaming w best GBA games? I need recommendations
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Red rescue team, if you haven’t played a pokemon mystery dungeon game before. I played the DS version (blue rescue team) and loved it.

sleepybisexual,

I play that :3

Wahots,
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It’s so cute, I love their cute little facial expressions :)

sleepybisexual,

Yea :3

I really like the GBA pokemon stuff. Looks a lot better than the 3d games

Wahots,
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I agree!

sleepybisexual,

Yea, gen 7 looks kinda ugly. Even tho I like gen 7

Gh_stt, do gaming w best GBA games? I need recommendations

Those were the GBA games I played and liked.

  • TMNT (from the movie)
  • Shining Soul I & II
  • Castlevania - Aria of Sorrow
deegeese, do gaming w best GBA games? I need recommendations

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.

SnotFlickerman,
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I’m weird and I have a real soft spot for the original PlayStation 1 Final Fantasy Tactics as well. Both solid games, imho.

Coelacanth,
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Weird? Isn’t FFT widely considered one of the best games of all time?

SnotFlickerman,
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I honestly only ever see people talking about FFTA, I almost never see people mention FFT for playstation.

Could just be me, but I don’t exactly run into lots of folks who are even aware it exists.

Coelacanth,
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The lack of a modern port makes availability an issue, so it’s definitely more in cult classic territory, but it is definitely a critics’ darling and is often thrown around among the group of best games of all time. It’s not uncommon for it to rank nr. 1 on “Best Final Fantasy Games” lists either.

SnotFlickerman, (edited )
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I have never read much of game reviews and game news nor “top” listicles, so maybe that’s why I’m less aware of the critical acclaim.

EDIT: and to be clear, it’s nice to know my opinion is in good company and not weird.

Coelacanth,
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This is the correct answer.

SnotFlickerman, do gaming w best GBA games? I need recommendations
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Metroid Fusion and Metroid Zero Mission

heygooberman, do gaming w best GBA games? I need recommendations
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  • Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire
  • Pokemon LeafGreen and FireRed
  • Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories
  • Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance
  • Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons & Oracle of Ages (initially released for Game Boy Color, but it works just the same on the Advanced)
WatDabney, do gaming w best GBA games? I need recommendations

Most similar to Advance Wars:

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance

Tactics Ogre: Knight of Lodis

Super Robot Taisen: Original Generation

Shining Force:Resurrection of the Dark Dragon

Just in general:

Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow

Summon Night: Swordcraft Story 1 and 2

Drill Dozer

Golden Sun 1 and 2

Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap

Harvest Moon: Friends of Mineral Town

Guru Logic Champ

Metroid Fusion

Metroid Zero Mission

Medabots RPG

Klonoa: Empire of Dreams

missingno, do gaming w best GBA games? I need recommendations
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  • Boktai series: Hideo Kojima's most unusual work, and I mean that in the best way. These games were so near and dear to my childhood, especially 2. Really though you want the Solar Sensor hardware for the full experience, but I love these games too much not to plug them anyway. Emulating them is worth it over not playing them at all. And for the third game, you'd have to pick between original hardware or the translation patch anyway.
  • Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow: It's Castlevania. It's good. Also check out Circle of the Moon and Harmony of Dissonance, but AoS was by far the best of the GBA entries.
  • Golden Sun 1/2: These games were way ahead of their time for how they designed a combat system that encourages you to use all of your tools and not just click basic Attack as if you gotta hoard your MP for a rainy day. Fantastic puzzles too.
  • Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga: If you've played any of the other Mario RPGs, this one's great too. Has a 3DS remake but I haven't played that version so I can't tell you how it compares.
  • Metroid: Zero Mission: The original Metroid has aged rather poorly if you ask me, but this remake does a perfect job modernizing it into one of the best games in the series. Fusion is good too, but some fans have opinions on that one.
  • Mother 3: Surely you have already heard of this game and do not need me to tell you to go play it. Have you not played it by now? Why not? Well, okay, if you haven't played Earthbound first, go do so, then play this.
  • Rhythm Tengoku: A wonderful game about pressing the A button. Sometimes you press the d-pad too. Translation patch.
  • Summon Night: Swordcraft Story 1/2: If you've ever played the classic 2D Tales games, these are excellent spiritual successors to those. There's a third game that's JP-only, translation patch is being worked on but it's been stuck in development hell for years...
  • The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap: Zelda.
sleepybisexual,

Thanks for the list

Ambiguity7300,

Holy shit boktai was kojima?! Only reason i about this series was the crossover chips and and endgame quest in MMBN4 and on. Super cool and unique concept with the solar panel stuff.

toxicbubble420, do gaming w best GBA games? I need recommendations

mega man battle network 1-6

kratoz29,
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Jeez… I want to play them, but I am foreseeing hundreds of hours in those games lol… Also I didn’t know there was a sixth game for GBA.

toxicbubble420,

they’re great for short bursts of gameplay, each dungeon takes like an hour on average. if it helps your decision, the first game is the shortest at 10-25 hrs but is also the hardest. the hd collection has an easy mode that lets you kill most weak enemies in a few shots. the DS port of 1 is the definitive version & has maps to make the dungeons easier (there’s an English patch)

Xoriff,

Came to the comments to say this. Love that series. Wish they hadn’t moved to that follow-up series Star Force. Wasn’t as good, imo.

Exec,
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Wasn’t as good, imo.

The first one was maybe weird because it was still setting itself up. The second one was indeed a filler and the worst of the series (but nowhere near MMBN4-level bad). The third one on the other hand is easily a masterpiece beating MMBN6.

Sami, do gaming w best GBA games? I need recommendations
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I’ve curated a list based on my own preferences. A couple caveats are that I haven’t played most of them, some stuff like DBZ and Yugioh are whatever if you’re not into those franchises and some stuff has better ports elsewhere and isnt included: pastebin.com/Fv2RtN61

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