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windowsphoneguy, do games w Any good games that break the mold
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Not the same, but Into The Breach has become the one game I regularly return to. The ruleset is so simple and everything is laid out, including anticipating opponent moves. Just a great series of small puzzles

Trail,

Slice and dice is similarly fun.

simple, do games w Is Elder Scrolls 6 doomed to fail? I can't see how it will work

They failed spectacularly with Fallout 4

Eh, not really. Fallout 4 has its share of fans and while the roleplaying and story was weak, I thought the world was well laid out and fun to explore. But yeah, none of their games are as good as Skyrim which says a lot because that game has a ton of issues itself.

I think ES6 can still be good but it needs a lot of change from Bethesda’s side. For one, they should either trash the engine or fix its issues. It’s unbelievable that everything in Starfield has a loading screen between it, ran poorly, and was still a buggy mess. The enemy AI was apparently unchanged for the last 20 years or so, because every NPC is still clunky and has trouble moving from A to B.

If anything I think starfield was exactly the kick in the nuts that Bethesda needed. Hopefully it motivates them to do better next time.

Stovetop, (edited )

None of their games are as good as Morrowind, yet that hasn’t stopped them from selling like hotcakes.

superkret,

Morrowind was also an almost unplayable buggy mess when it came out.
One of the first places you go to if you do the main quest is the Balmora mages guild, and when you went downstairs in the release version, you regularly fell through the floor.
And alchemy, crafting and spellcrafting were so broken you could just spend half an hour on it to turn yourself into a god.

dojan,
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It wasn’t well balanced but it was a good RPG experience. Oblivion had a bunch of elements stripped out, but it was still an RPG, the wonky alphabetical voice acting aside. Skyrim felt like a cookie-cutter action adventure game, all the roleplay had flown out the window.

Buttflapper,

Yup, and they fixed it. When Fallout 76 came out, it had the exact same major issues and bugs that Fallout 4 did, that the community literally fixed themselves with their unofficial patches. Bethesda was so unbelievably lazy They could not even copy and paste the unofficial bug fixes off Nexus mods, to me, that’s startling. At least with Morrowind, they fixed stuff

bionicjoey,

Honestly I think that if ES6 is to Skyrim what FO4 is to FO3, it will probably be good.

The danger is if they try to replicate Starfield or FO76, ie. cut corners like crazy, be blinded by dollar signs in their eyes.

sparky1337,

I feel like in comparison to Starfield, ES6 should be smaller and more compact which should alleviate a lot of the other complaints I’ve seen.

At this point the hype alone will sell it. There may be some apprehensive players since starfield, but I don’t think it’ll impact them too much.

Also elder scrolls being their big IP, they kind of don’t have the wiggle room to screw this up.

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

exactly, I’m a huge ES fan who hated Starfield, but it is not causing me any grief over ES6. Almost all of the Starfield issues I had were due to the vastly different world(s) structure.

Buttflapper, (edited )

They failed spectacularly with Fallout 4

Eh, not really. Fallout 4 has its share of fans and while the roleplaying and story was weak, I thought the world was well laid out and fun to explore

When I say failed, this is of course my own opinion. I personally feel like it was a failed game because of how simply unfun it is. I had to mod the game to extreme amounts just to get it to be believable and as enjoyable as Skyrim, Oblivion, other Bethesda games. It simply was not fun and its released state due to the horrible dialogue, basically lackluster and meaningless world. No matter where I explored, it wasn’t really rewarded at all with anything.

It’s unbelievable that everything in Starfield has a loading screen between it, ran poorly, and was still a buggy mess

It’s unbelievable that everything in Starfield has a loading screen between it, ran poorly, and was still a buggy mess

Corporate greed and incompetence, plain and simple. It took a mod creator a week or two to cook up a solution for that and make the game free of loading screens, he did that FOR FREE. Bethesda is out here with millions in Budget, they couldn’t have figured that out? Unbelievable. It’s the same crap every single game, too. They’re just lazy. Most Beth games that have been released has had a mod released that makes it 100% open world with no load screens

DarkMetatron,

There is no mod to make Starfield free of loading screens, the cell structure of the engine demands loading screens. A mod exists that introduces real space faster then light travel between planets in a system yes, but that mod a) destroys the storytelling and lore of the game completely b) it still has the loading screen to land on the planet and c) changes a quick load screen with a boring travel through empty space.
It is like changing a stage change cut to black in a move with a real time travel scene with nothing at all happening but watching the people drive.

Buttflapper,

There is no mod to make Starfield free of loading screens, the cell structure of the engine demands loading screens

That’s a fair point - it doesn’t completely get rid of the game’s need to load the next area, but it does a good job of hiding when the loading is happening.

but that mod a) destroys the storytelling and lore of the game completely

How, exactly?

c) changes a quick load screen with a boring travel through empty space.

This is an absurd and honestly ridiculous complaint. ‘boring travel through empty space’ dude it’s a literal SPACE exploration game, how can you complain about travelling through space, in a space game? Wtf? What do you think Space is? Candyland, filled with gas stations and theme parks along the ride? It’s an empty, insanely large expanse. Some people want that. You could say the same thing for any Fallout/Elder Scrolls game, too. ‘Boring ride through the country’ < oblivion and Skyrim. ‘Boring walk to the next area’ <Fallout

deranger,

You could say the same thing for any Fallout/Elder Scrolls game, too. ‘Boring ride through the country’ < oblivion and Skyrim. ‘Boring walk to the next area’ <Fallout

Exploration is one of the most enjoyable parts of those games. It’s not boring in ES or FO because of all the things you find along the way. Walking from A to B and getting distracted for 2 hours at random POIs you find is a hallmark of these games.

This aspect was completely absent in Starfield, idk how they fucked up exploration so much.

it’s a literal SPACE exploration game, how can you complain about travelling through space

Traveling != exploration. Eliminating the load screens just leaves you in boring space with no POIs to discover along the route.

Buttflapper,

Exploration is one of the most enjoyable parts of those games. It’s not boring in ES or FO because of all the things you find along the way.

Maybe the first playthrough, sure. But after the first time I played through Fallout 4 (65% explored POIs), I tried to replay it, and it felt stale that quickly. Just going from starter area > concord was such a snooze. Autorun and watch netflix. Oblivion was a little more captivating and scenic, and so was Fallout 3. You’d find random little homes blown up, robots, people trying to stab you with a rusty knife. Fallout 4 and 76 are just so empty and devoid.

Traveling != exploration. Eliminating the load screens just leaves you in boring space with no POIs to discover along the route.

Fair point… No Man’s Sky kinda figured out a way to make it more fun, you can do it much more interactively with the hyperdrive and warping through small spaces in a system. But there’s rocks to find, sometimes pirates that shoot at you. >

DarkMetatron,

How, exactly?

One of the major points of the game is that the only way to travel faster then light is with Gravjumping, there is no way to travel faster then light in real space. There is a large part of the main quest all about that. And that is the reason why everyone gravjumps everywhere The mod introduces faster then light travel in real space, and by this destroying one of the most important points in world building and lore of the game.

This is an absurd and honestly ridiculous complaint. ‘boring travel through empty space’ dude it’s a literal SPACE exploration game, how can you complain about travelling through space, in a space game? Wtf? What do you think Space is? Candyland, filled with gas stations and theme parks along the ride? It’s an empty, insanely large expanse. Some people want that. You could say the same thing for any Fallout/Elder Scrolls game, too. ‘Boring ride through the country’ < oblivion and Skyrim. ‘Boring walk to the next area’ <Fallout

That is how most people play those games yes, that is why fast travel (or other ways of fast transportation like teleportation magic or carts/boats) exists and it is used because most of the time travel is BORING as fuck and I want to do things in my game not commute between places. Not every travel is exploration, I don’t explore the city when I travel from home to work and back and very often in games travel is not done to explore but to get from point A to point B because your quest or task demands that. And starfield is not a space exploration game (because you literally can’t find anything new in space in the game, everything you can find is either on or around planets but not in open interplanetary or interstellar space.) it is an RPG with a big focus on star system and planet exploration. Traveling through empty space (and staring onto a point in the blackness of space that very very slowly gets bigger) is one of the most boring wastes of time I could think of. Traveling through space is like traveling over an huge, empty and flat saltlake in the middle of the night. There is literally nothing to see there, the only interesting things are the start of the travel and the destination. Ok, there are people into that I am sure, games like desert bus exist after all, and if you like that then have fun with the mod. It is a single player game after all and I will never tell anyone how to play their single player games (or even multiplayer games if it is ok for every other player). You do you!

MarcomachtKuchen,

I’m so exited for Avowed to show me how else a skyrim like game can look and feel.

TrousersMcPants,

Idk, Outer Worlds was really lame, imo. It was honestly more boring than most the Bethesda RPGs for me because it was basically trying to do the same type of thing as them but with way smaller worlds so it’s just not as interesting.

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

much better than Starfield though!

TrousersMcPants,

I think I played more of Starfield, frankly

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA, do games w Is Elder Scrolls 6 doomed to fail? I can't see how it will work
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Most people are playing Black Myth: Wukong. Not Skyrim.

Buttflapper,

Most people are playing Black Myth: Wukong. Not Skyrim.

How is this related to Bethesda?

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
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Then, you look at what most people are playing right now, and it’s Skyrim. Above any other game out there, it’s Skyrim.

Look at the actual numbers. You’re wrong.

Blackmist, do games w What's your favorite controller?

The PS5 controller is pretty sweet.

But the PS1 Dualshock is the original version of that, and has influenced basically everything since. It’s the Ocarina of Time of controllers.

That second analogue stick fixed everything to do with cameras in early 3D games.

For VR it’s the Oculus Touch. Takes everything about the classic Dualshock design and adds hand tracking.

IndustryStandard, do games w What's your favorite controller?

King Kong 3. 1000hz low delay polling rate, great size, good battery life. Hall effect sticks. Good price for a premium controller too.

Though there are a lot of built in shortcuts which are very confusing but I don’t use those.

Varyag,

I really want to get one of those.

Gaspar,
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I have this one too and I love it. All it’s really missing is a way to remap the back paddles to non-controller buttons and it’d be an easy 10/10. As it is, though, 8.5 or 9, still very very good.

KingThrillgore, do games w Astro Bot | Review Thread (95 OpenCritic)
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Sony: We made this slop called Concord, go enjoy it

Also Sony: this

HubertManne, do games w Is Elder Scrolls 6 doomed to fail? I can't see how it will work

starfield is a blunder???

Spyro, do games w Any good games that break the mold

The Talos Principle - It’s pretty much purely a puzzle game with a nice dose of philosophy to drive the story along. Some of the later puzzles can get pretty difficult, and some of the optional challenges will likely take you a good while to figure out without guides.

Anderenortsfalsch, do games w Any good games that break the mold

Patrick’s Parabox - Single developer, unique idea, mind bending - think outside and inside the boxes inside boxes.

garretble, do games w Astro Bot | Review Thread (95 OpenCritic)
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Downloaded this last night. Just waiting on the countdown ticker to hit 0.

DamienGramatacus, do games w Any good games that break the mold

It’s not difficult but I really enjoyed Super Liminal. Very short but fun.

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w Any good games that break the mold

I am not sure how handholdey it might seem to you, but Danganronpa 1-3 were pretty good at keeping me guessing what would happen next, but it is also good at giving the player the illusion of actually solving what was happening themselves. V3 was both the best and worst in this regard IMO. There are very few times where something is obvious or very easy, and likewise few times where a huge leap in logic is made or something is very obtuse/hard to know.

If you haven’t tried them, maybe look intonthem to see if you’d like them?

Katana314,

I remember distinctly Danganronpa’s problem with shock value.

I finished the first case of the third game, and thought “Wow! That was incredible! I hadn’t anticipated that ending at all!”

And then, once the dust on the case had settled, because of the effects of that change in circumstance, I had no interest in playing the rest of the game.

RightHandOfIkaros,

That’s unfortunate. But I suppose not every game is made for every person to enjoy. The first was a game of its time, and the rest followed the first.

Maybe you might like Master Detective Archives RAIN CODE a bit better, since it has some elements of similar gameplay, but also has, perhaps less “shock value” than when the dust settles on cases in Danganronpa.

EDIT: I didn’t see you were talking about V3. Yeah, lots of people don’t like V3 for various reasons. I wasn’t a fan of the end of the first case either, but I still played through and it was okay, but then the ending I just didn’t like at all.

simple, do games w Astro Bot | Review Thread (95 OpenCritic)

These reviews are insane. I expected Astro Bot to be a fun platformer ala Sackboy’s Adventure, but the reviews claim it rivals Mario and is a fantastic game all around.

MarcomachtKuchen,

I’m so happy. The game just seems like good old-fashioned fun

voik, do games w Any good games that break the mold

I have not yet played Return of the Obra Dinn, but it is always high up on the list when I look for games like Outer Wilds. I’m a huge fan of Outer Wilds, so maybe the recommendation can work in reverse

From what I have heard, the deduction is not as intense as in Obra Dinn, but there is very little hand holding, and the whole game has been brilliantly designed so that it is driven entirely by your natural human curiosity. Once you get through the initial “tutorial” section (probably the roughest part of the game, push through!) the whole game is wide open. See something weird orbiting a distant planet? You can go straight there and start poking around. If you follow the leads that turn up there, you will eventually even figure out what it is, and why it is there. Do that enough and you’ll eventually figure out the strange mystery of your home solar system.

Can’t recommend it highly enough, but you only get to play it without knowing the secrets once, so go in as blind as you can. It took me 20-30 hours to “solve” the main game, maybe another 20 for the DLC, which is also well worth it

Mountain_Mike_420,

Also highly recommend. Want to add that you should not watch any videos or really even read about it.

Voroxpete,

This. Go into Outer Wilds knowing as little as possible. It’s an incredible experience if you go in blind.

To paraphrase a description I gave in another thread about this game, at first it will feel like you’re just fumbling around with no clear idea of what you’re doing and why. The game presents itself as just this sort of open ended sandbox with no real purpose. That’s OK, just explore and have fun for about the first half hour or so.

Because about half an hour in, more or less, is when The Event will happen. Do not ask what The Event is. You will know when it happens. It will be, clearly and unambiguously, The Event. And once it happens everything will click, and you’ll go “Oh, that’s what this game is about.”

After The Event, go look at the computer in the back of your space ship. That will become your most important tool throughout the rest of the game.

dhhyfddehhfyy4673,

This is still kind of spoilery yo.

okwhateverdude,

I really enjoyed the game until The Event. I played a few more loops and was constantly irritated at The Event getting in the way. Like, I get it. I understand that is the point. It just ruined it for me. I don’t want to race a clock when I am exploring.

DamienGramatacus,

I have nothing to add other than to also say it is an amazing experience. 10/10. You probably would like Obra Dinn though.

tal, do gaming w Deadlock: How to select or level skill on controller?

I haven’t played it, but it sounds like the situation may be in flux:

oneesports.gg/…/does-deadlock-have-controller-sup…

At the time of writing, the action game is in closed beta, and it doesn’t offer native controller support. However, it does have an option that players can use to play the game with a controller.

With that in mind, the game is likely to feature controller support when it releases on PC, as it is expected to be Steam Deck compatible.

However, you must keep in mind that since the game is still in early development, it doesn’t offer any key binding or customization feature.

Additionally, even with a controller on default settings, some key actions in the game may not be mapped, so you might encounter limitations during gameplay.

In the near term, if a keyboard can do what you want, if you can dig up macro software for your platform that can look for specific gamepad combinations and send keystrokes as a result, I imagine that you could make it work that way.

hand,
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With that in mind, the game is likely to feature controller support when it releases on PC, as it is expected to be Steam Deck compatible.

I hope so.

It baffled me that Valve released a game that isn’t really compatible with controllers not long after releasing the Deck. I was kinda hoping Deadlock would be very controller friendly. When/if this happens I’ll give it a second look.

tal,

released

I mean, it’s not released.

store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/Deadlock/

About This Game

EARLY DEVELOPMENT BUILD

Deadlock is still in early development stages with lots of temporary art and experimental gameplay.

LIMITED ACCESS

Access to Deadlock is currently limited to friend invites via our playtesters.

It’s not even Early Access.

Like, if you want to play it at this point, you’re gonna get something that isn’t done. It’s hopefully playable, but…shrugs

hand,
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My apologies, when I said released I meant released for public testing / playing (ie, it’s current state).

I’ve played a little with keyboard and mouse as well as a controller (using community settings) and currently it very much feels like it would be difficult to play with a controller (I’d like to stress I’m hoping and happy to be proven wrong about that further down the line).

My surprise was that Valve have brought about a game like Deadlock which currently (to me) feels very much like a keyboard and mouse only game. Again, looking forward to that potentially changing.

tal,

released for public testing

I mean, it’s not publicly-available either; it’s just available to a select group of testers.

I haven’t been following the game’s development. But my guess is that the devs are going to prioritize targeting the machines that they’re using to do development of the thing. They won’t be using a Deck to develop the thing. This probably won’t be the only tradeoff made, either – I’d guess that performance optimizations aimed at the Deck or other lower-end machines might be something that would be further down on the list. I’d guess that any kind of tutorial or whatever probably won’t go in until late in the development – not that that’s not important to bring new users up to speed, but it’s just not something that the devs need to work on it. Probably not an issue for this game, which looks like it’s multiplayer, but I’d guess that breaking save or progress compatibility is something that they’d be fine with. That’s frustrating for a player, but it can make development a lot easier.

Doesn’t mean that those don’t matter, just that they won’t be top of the priority list to get working. What they’re gonna prioritize is stuff that unblocks other things that they need.

I worked on a product in the past that had a more “customer-friendly” interface and a command line interface. When a feature gets implemented, the first thing that a dev puts in is the CLI support – it’s low-effort, and it’s all that the dev needs to get the internal feature into a testable state for the internal people. The more-customer-friendly stuff, documentation, etc all happens later in the development cycle. Doesn’t mean that we didn’t care about getting that out, just that we didn’t need it to unblock other parts of the the development process. Sometimes we’d give access to development builds to customers who specifically urgently needed a feature early-on and were willing to accept the drawbacks of using stuff that just isn’t done, but they’re inevitably gonna be getting something that’s only half-baked.

I mean, if it bugs you, I’d just wait. Like, they aren’t gonna be trying to provide an ideal customer experience at this point in the development cycle. They’re just gonna want to be using it as a testbed to see what works. It’s gonna inevitably be a subpar experience in various ways for users. The folks who are using the thing at this point are volunteering to do unpaid testing work in exchange for getting to play the thing very early and maybe doing so at a point where they can still alter the gameplay substantially. There are some people who really enjoy that, but depends on the person. It’s not really my cup of tea. I dunno about you, but I’ve got a Steam games backlog that goes on forever; it’s not like I’ve got a lack of finished games to get through.

Zoot,
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Maybe try actually playing it on the deck then? How are you even gonna complain about something you haven’t tried, for a game no where near done.

I have played on my deck. All the keys are mapped and you can easily play the game with all of the controls.

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