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blazeknave, do games w What are some great games that require you to bust out a notebook and pen?

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RightHandOfIkaros, (edited ) do games w What are some great games that require you to bust out a notebook and pen?

The following games all typically do not hold the player’s hand. They are to varying degrees, some give you a map and/or journal, some do not.

  • TES III Morrowind
  • King’s Field 1-4
  • Snatcher on SEGA CD
  • Dark Souls 1-3, Demons Souls, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring
  • Ultima Underworld
  • Silent Hill 1-4
  • Shadow of the Colossus
  • Tunic
  • Super Metroid
  • Hollow Knight
  • Rain World
  • System Shock 1,2
Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

I love the Morrowind recommendation. Also, unlikely suggestion, but I had to get a pen and paper for The Great Crystal dungeon on Final Fantasy XII.

catalyst, do games w What are some great games that require you to bust out a notebook and pen?
@catalyst@lemmy.world avatar

The last game I recall breaking out pen and paper for was Tunic. You can definitely beat the story without, but the later puzzles call for it.

SchrodingersPat, do games w What are your favorite "gotta go in blind" games?

Sorry if these have been said already. Note I suck at gaming and couldn’t finish either but I enjoyed my time with them:

Animal Well and Lorelei and the Laser Eyes

Mickey, do games w What are some great games that require you to bust out a notebook and pen?

Honestly it was really handy to have a pen and paper around for Elden Ring for me. There was just so much I wanted to keep track of so that I could come back or to make connections. But it’s also a very acquired taste kind of game to go through!

MajorHavoc, do games w What are some great games that require you to bust out a notebook and pen?

Star Trek: The Next Generation, for Sega Genesis certainly fit this criteria.

lemon, do games w Making peace with liking very few games?
@lemon@sh.itjust.works avatar

Eh, I get it. There’s an overwhelming abundance of choice that’s growing faster than the average time it takes to form a connection with any one game. Why deal with the FOMO and misbuys if you know what works for you.

That doesn’t stop me from purchasing way too many (non-refundable) indie titles on the Switch, though. And I’m glad to say some of those feel like they’ll keep me hooked for a good while.

Still, nothing can ever top my love for one classic game in particular: AOE 1 (definitive edition). Why? (It’s unfair to the rest.) Years ago I used to play against my dad over LAN. It’s some of the most fun we had together. Standing outside while he took a smoke break mid-game, I’d explain how I was about to wipe his whole civilization off the map in ways he couldn’t possibly imagine. Sometimes when I miss him, firing up AOE lets me feel closer to him again.

All this to say, nostalgia is a tough bar for any new game to beat.

mohab,

That's so sweet bonding with your dad over that game. May you retain that memory forever ❤️

I'm with you. The concept of gaming as a disposable medium never really worked for me either. The idea of going through my wishlist like it's a watchlist—beating a game only to move on to the next was just never really for me.

If I don't think a game is built to be organically replayable, I'll probably just lose interest in buying it.

tigeruppercut,

I wonder what separates games from movies as disposable media, especially with games that are meant to be cinematic/telling a story. Like Spec Ops is loosely based on Heart of Darkness and has a strong narrative, but without that is just a sort of middling shooter. So once you know the story it doesn’t have a ton of replayability, but it’s still impactful in the way a good movie is.

mohab,

Hmm… I think it's definitely a spectrum. Even arcade games have stories. It's not what drives them, but they still do.

When you start considering something like Bandersnatch, the spectrum gets even wider.

RubberElectrons, do games w Making peace with liking very few games?
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

It’s ok dude. What do you look for in games, is there a common theme?

I’m the same, I actually look for cinematic games with clever, interesting stories. Idgaf about multiplayer or any of that shit, I want to be a director in my own movie.

Bioshock, half life 2, LA Noire, and so on.

aesthelete,

You like horizon? I played the first one and thought the story was pretty good. Maybe not like Bioshock level, but better than most games of the type.

RubberElectrons,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

Never played actually. I’ll check it out. I don’t have much free time generally as I work on a lot of projects, so I usually look for really good stories if I’m going to invest my time.

I’ll take a look though, thanks for the suggestion.

aesthelete,

Sure, no problem. Hope you like it.

ElectroVagrant, do games w Making peace with liking very few games?

Saw where you mentioned being into fighting games, action games, & shmups, so I wonder which games you find yourself bouncing off of more.

Along with reasons other have mentioned that are similar to my own (many games demanding a lot of time, better finding what games really click with me, etc.), I’ve also been put off by other details (hyper-monetization, big budget photorealistic & cinematic styles, etc.). Personally it’s less being into very few games, and more being into more specific kinds of game design and creative style, which are sometimes harder to find.

Like not being into drawn out progression systems immediately narrows one’s options pretty significantly, especially among many recent games.

mohab,

Oh, absolutely. It probably has a lot to do with falling out of favor with current design and monetization trends, I agree.

Some of the games I've been playing for years: Guilty Gear, Under Night In-Birth, Bayonetta, The Wonderful 101, Crimzon Clover, Smash TV, and Catherine.

Which games do you keep going back to?

ElectroVagrant,

Mainly games built for replaying, so arcade puzzlers like Super Hexagon/Tetris Effect/Mixolumia/Equaline/etc, roguelikes such as FTL/BrogueCE/etc, or strangesims like Powder Toy or Vilmonic. Although even with those it’s more occasional, like when I’m uncertain of what I’m wanting to do.

FuryMaker, do games w Making peace with liking very few games?

I find it’s not that I don’t like them, it’s just a decent commitment to get into it.

Carnelian, do games w Making peace with liking very few games?

Lots of people have replied with similar experiences.

But personally? I’m having the time of my life currently playing tons of new games. I love trying new ones and getting surprised, and maybe falling in love with a genre I hadn’t considered before.

I feel totally contrary to what others are saying: as I’ve gotten older, I find myself enjoying games way more. My time is more valuable to me now than ever before, so I want to fill it with things that are joyful and meaningful. Often those things are art. Games to me have always been very special in the way they can deliver a powerful artistic experience.

I think they also have a special power to be blatant disgusting soulless cash grabs, to be fair. As the years go by I feel like many aspects of the industry have become particularly unpalatable. But many studios are still releasing good games, and so far I’ve continued to find joy in seeking them out.

Not too many people on this post are actually listing games. So, in no particular order, here are some games I absolutely adored that I played recently. Games from the last ~year that have touched and moved me in some way. Experiences I don’t think I’ll forget.

Sable
Chicory: A colorful tale
Manifold Garden
Signalis
OneShot
The Talos Principle
Night in the Woods
Citizen Sleeper
Webbed
Rusted Moss
Armored Core VI
Iron Lung
Slay the Princess
Ghostrunner
Mundaun
Crosscode
Eastward
Animal Well
Pseudoregalia
Dave the Diver
Nine Sols
Patrick’s Parabox
Cocoon
Smushi Come Home

Not to imply that I expect you or anyone else to take a deep look here or to try any of these games. Just wanted to throw my perspective out there, and to show the games in concrete terms that have left an impression and continue to motivate me to keep looking and keep trying more

Famko,

Have you tried Outer Wilds by any chance? Seems like the kind of game you would enjoy.

Carnelian,

Yea! An all time favorite, but I played it a long time ago. I wanted to keep my little list just to recent games. Irl I am very annoying about recommending OW to everyone, as well as its dlc which continued to blow me away

Famko,

I also recently played through In Stars and Time so I recommend that as well considering you were into Slay the Princess.

ElectroVagrant,

obligatory but entirely sincere addition for those looking for palate cleansing games: Outer Wilds

and for those after a variety of others, in particularly no order, that may or may not come up as much:


But this is all from a flipside of a flipside, so each is as likely to appeal as repel, quick slide to catch clicks and clunks

Voroxpete,

God, Outer Wilds is one of the most incredible gaming experiences I have ever had.

Unforeseen,

I have been firing up The Powder Toy for well over a decade to kill time during meetings

Carnelian,

Now this is a list! Thank you, based on the few I have played here I can’t wait to check out the rest

mohab,

I love that you're having a different experience! This is exactly why I posted about this: I have found that my taste in almost everything else has become broader as I aged, so I was wondering what's the deal with my uncharacteristically narrow taste in video games.

Sadly, I tried most of the games on your list, and found out they're not for me. I'll try the rest though! Thank you for taking the time to list them.

BuboScandiacus, do games w Making peace with liking very few games?
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

I have the same thing but with music

I have a single “like” playlist with ~30 songs and 3/4 of those are only different covers/ arrangements of the same 3 songs

AngryCommieKender,
jordanlund, do games w Making peace with liking very few games?
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

I find the same thing, but I’m really questioning the taste of others.

Never really did PC gaming, bought a SteamDeck to get into that ecosystem after seeing all the posts about “ZOMG! STEAM SALE!!!”

Are people just… not discerning? Do you just buy ANYTHING because it’s on sale?

The signal to noise ratio on Steam is just nuts to me… Yeah, some game might be $1.99, 90% off, but if it’s not worth the bandwidth to download, why are you bothering? Do you lack the ability to tell good games from bad games?

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

We don’t really teach appreciation of art enough. People unabashedly “hate watch” shows or go out to see blatant cash grabs in theatre, and buy games they don’t enjoy…

I’ve had arguments with friends who defend shows they admit have no redeeming value, and are only watching it because there’s a lot of it. Like there’s a hole in them that can only be filled with sufficient volumes of content. I can’t even talk to them anymore.

Art is in a way the study of choice. To simply make things without meaning anything by them, without doing anything on purpose except to make money, to me is little more than cheap nihilism - without adding to the conversation in the way that considered nihilism can.

A few game makers actually do contribute to the conversation of games as art, following on what came before and enriching us with new ideas. Those few should be followed closely and supported, when you find them.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

And then there’s…

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/239a96f6-f7a4-40b2-b8c3-39e9a198dee7.jpeg

82% Positive? Are you shitting me?

ChairmanMeow,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

82% positive just means that out of everyone who decided to buy it in the first place, 82% feel like they got what they expected. If you don’t expect greatness, then perhaps this game is exactly what you thought it’d be.

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

… Maybe it’s in the tradition of Magritte? “This is not a game.”

deus,

The thing is, there’s just so much stuff on Steam that even if you only care about the crème de la crème (hell, even if you only care about a specific genre), you’ll still find yourself with a wishlist longer than you’ll possibly have the time to play. I often go “ZOMG! STEAM SALE!!!” so in my case it’s slowly becoming a backlog but I do intend to play everything I buy.

AngryCommieKender, (edited )

This you?

Wrong comment

Gamerman153, do games w Making peace with liking very few games?

Does anyone need anything besides rimworld and factorio??

mholiv,

Strong recommend for Satisfactory. It’s first person factorio but in a beautiful world that isn’t all brown.

Personally I think it’s better.

caut_R,

Counterpoint: Building something big in first person is a lot more bothersome than in 2D/topdown

I have Satisfactory and like it btw, I‘m just saying it‘s something to keep in mind. It‘s also a lot heavier on the hardware, obviously.

mholiv,

Fair, Satisfactory is a lot heavier on the hardware for sure. But it’s a first person 3D game with a much bigger emphasis on beauty.

I find top down to be less interesting. I like to build factories in 3D with many vertical manufacturing layers in addition to spreading out horizontally. I think 3D factories is a more fun challenge. To each their own though. They’re both interesting games.

MajorHavoc,

Yeah. If Satisfactory every gets SteamDeck verified, I may never play anything else again.

AngryCommieKender,

Dyson Sphere Program is 3rd person 3-D and it has combat these days. I’m actually wondering what they haven’t implemented yet, since it’s still early access AFAIA.

AMillionMonkeys,
@AMillionMonkeys@lemmy.world avatar

Dwarf Fortress? Go hard or go home.

AngryCommieKender,

Dyson Sphere Program. 64 stars and hundreds of planets per game! 640 Dyson Shells to construct and defend.

Grangle1, do games w Making peace with liking very few games?

You have a narrow taste in games and that’s perfectly OK, nothing to be ashamed of at all. Enjoy what you like. You have no obligation whatsoever to play the newest, most popular thing just to keep up with the gaming Joneses. The list of popular games I haven’t tried myself is MUCH longer than the list of them I have played, either because they don’t appeal to me or I just don’t have the spare time or money, and I am 100% fine with that. I buy the games I know I’ll put time into and enjoy and don’t worry about the rest.

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