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sma3in, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal
@sma3in@lemmy.world avatar

we know emulation is legal, but we’re still going to legally have a legal reason to take y’all emulators to court angry face

viking,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Bypassing copy protection has always been the number one reason, it was never emulation per se.

IMALlama,

See also: …wikipedia.org/…/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public…

Strategic lawsuits against public participation (also known as SLAPP suits or intimidation lawsuits), or strategic litigation against public participation, are lawsuits intended to censor, intimidate, and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition

There are many, many variants. The idea is the smaller player can’t really afford to fight in court, so even if the larger actor has shaky legal claims they will still win.

ceenote, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

So when they shut down Ryujinx and Yuzu, was it basically “Stop running this emulator or we will ruin your lives with legal bills”?

iAmTheTot,

Iirc, and take this with a grain of salt, ryujinx actually got paid by Nintendo to stop development.

stevedice,

That’s a rumor. All we know is that they talked with the dev behind closed doors and he deleted everything related to Ryujinx afterwards. Sure, they could have paid him but it’s just as likely that they just threatened him. Let’s not forget how Nintendo made its money.

Matriks404, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

There’s nothing new in this article. And I don’t think Nintendo ever said that emulation is illegal, just emulating their games is, which technically is true to some part at least in the United States, where sometimes you need to circumvent some security measures to get games emulated which is a forbidden (this is mentioned in the article).

QubaXR,
@QubaXR@lemmy.world avatar

Yea, if I recall correctly, the Yuzu team was sharing roms of latest Nintendo releases internally and Nintendo was able to prove it. At least Jeff Gerstman podcast suggested something to that accord when reporting on it.

psycho_driver,

Yeah and the Yuzu people had made something like 4 million bucks on the project too. When you start making serious cash off of tools for piracy (and when we’re talking about a current-gen console that’s essentially what it is, not a tool for preservation like older emulators) then you should expect some heat to come your way.

Nintendo has always been a bit on the bastardly side of things when it comes to fan projects but I can’t say that I blame them for going after Yuzu when they felt like they had a winnable case.

GeneralEmergency,

Get a load of the nerd reading the articles and making informed opinions. Just join the rest of us in mindless circle jerking.

stevedice,

A very strong case could be made that dumping your keys and your games is not bypassing encryption.

Tattorack, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal
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You don’t say, Nintendo. Pretty sure they’re also using open source emulators, from the developers they really hate, to run their older titles.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Idk their emulation is garbage except for the suspension and rewind. A lot of the open source emulation I have seen, especially of Nintendo products, is immaculate.

Buddahriffic,

Not to mention the selection of games available is pretty paltry.

frezik,

Zelda 64 on the Switch was a mess at release, but the emulator has improved greatly since then.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-fYXwxuFxQ

Matriks404,

That’s just not true. They have their own emulators, but most of the time they are inferior to community ones. I think Virtual Console releases used some kind of optimized emulators for their hardware, but didn’t care about accuracy, etc.

MITM0, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal
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Guys we got em

friendly_ghost, do gaming w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

Well well well That’s quite a switch in opinions

lowleveldata, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

I mean, walking is not illegal but walking in private property could be.

Sam_Bass, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

Until someone publishes another one anyway

gamermanh, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal
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Yeah, that’s why I’ve been exclusively pirating and emulating your switch games, and will continue to do so

Nintendo never gets my money again, and it’s been a better experience so far doing so

audaxdreik, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

With the Switch 2 announcement, it’s kind of clear that they aren’t even trying to be a tech company anymore. While not every last one of their consoles released was a true innovation, it did feel like something that was built into part of their brand. Now we just have the Switch 2 which is mostly what you’d expect with some decent QoL upgrades.

Nintendo is pursuing the walled garden approach. You’re barely even buying a console anymore, a lot of this hardware has more or less converged. What you’re buying is access to the cultivated ecosystem. Like everything else these days, they entice you in with the big, recognizable brands and hope there’s enough else to keep you there. Emulators straight pierce that veil and it’s why they went so hard on them.

I’m not criticizing (too heavily) the people that choose to hold on to the franchises they love, but once you step outside and choose alternatives, there’s very little to bring you back. Pokemon lost me a few gens ago, honestly not the biggest Zelda fan, and Mario alone won’t do it for me. Metroid and Starfox are scattershot … Personally I’ll stick with the Steam Deck and wait for Switch 2 emulation to roll around. And if it doesn’t, there are just so many other games to play these days.

Kyrgizion,

. You’re barely even buying a console anymore, a lot of this hardware has more or less converged. What you’re buying is access to the cultivated ecosystem.

Bingo. In an age where most people’s phones have better hardware than the Switch, it’s all about access to the walled garden instead of hardware.

addie,
@addie@feddit.uk avatar

Not that I disagree with your point about walled gardens, but “better” hardware for a handheld gaming machine needs to have a decent balance between performance and battery life. Longest plane or train journey that I’m likely to take is about five hours, and I’d need to rate any gaming hardware on the ability to run for that length of time. On that basis, the Switch is pretty much optimal. My phone has a higher resolution and can probably push more frames, but it would run hot for about forty-five minutes maximum. Plus, I’d then not be able to make calls or listen to tunes at my destination.

Steam deck would probably be a better choice, though. Fuck Nintendo.

turkalino,

What walled garden are you talking about? Exclusive games? Literally every console ever made has those.

Nintendo bad for making QoL console releases? Again, Nintendo is not the only company to do that. PS4/PS5 Pro, the recent Xboxes, etc

With emulators, they’re only trying to protect their current hardware. They’ve put basically zero effort into shutting down emulators for consoles they don’t sell anymore. Yeah, I’m with everyone else in wishing they didn’t shut down the switch emulators but it’s somewhat understandable that they’re trying to protect their revenue from hardware sales

Linktank,

How do you see with your nose so far up Nintendo’s butt?

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Nintendo bad for making QoL console releases? Again, Nintendo is not the only company to do that. PS4/PS5 Pro, the recent Xboxes, etc

Nintendo has a history of doing something different each hardware generation: Snes had the 4 button + shoulder buttons controller. N64 controller was designed for someone with 3 hands, DS had 2 screens, 3DS had 3d without glasses, Wii had motion controls, Wii U the tablet controller, Switch is a console and portable… Every system had something that made it unique. What’s unique about the Switch 2?
Nintendo is not able to compete with other consoles on power, it’s the unique hardware that gives a reason to own it over something else.

They’ve put basically zero effort into shutting down emulators for consoles they don’t sell anymore.

Technically correct. They may not be shutting down emulators, but if they hear a whisper of a ROM for Mappy Land on the NES they have their lawyers on speed dial. ( Me typing that sentence means someone from Nintendo is now watching this thread to see if anyone links to a ROM.)

HobbitFoot,

I don’t think Nintendo ever tried to be a tech company. They have always been a game company first and foremost. If they were ever a kind of tech company, the closest analogy would be Apple, another company that focused on consumer electronics.

Linktank,

I wouldn’t say ALWAYS, seeing as how they also tried their hand at taxis and love hotels for a while there.

Trilobite, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

Nintendo lost my business long ago nothing they make or say will get me to buy another Nintendo product

atro_city, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

Stop buying Nintendo, mkay?

Linktank, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

Time to counter-sue?

catloaf, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

No shit, it’s been case law since the 90s (Bleem, Connectix). The recent cases haven’t been about emulation, but decryption keys lifted from the BIOS.

MelodiousFunk,

Doesn’t matter, bait headline worked wonderfully.

sumguyonline, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

I was a life long Nintendo fan boy. I have every system excluding the virtual boy cuz of the headaches, and the Wii u because I was under employed when it released. I stopped buying Nintendo after Gary Bowser, their software is janky, and bad for 2000’s level of web portal. I had already complained to Nintendo as a long term investor, and instead of innovating their software and hardware, they litigate away anything that might be considered competition and sue into poverty anyone that alters the devices. I never altered my switch, but I stand on the side of the hackers because Nintendo desperately needed to create a quality software core for their switch family. They want their software to be an extremely basic game launcher, and in modern software terms, that’s just incompetent. I stopped buying Nintendo because Nintendo stopped innovating their software, started litigating their profits, and relied solely on old worn out IP instead of creating something new and fresh. You know how many new games are gonna launch on switch 2? Less than 5. Know what one of the first 10 games is gonna be? Mario. Want another? Probably a racing game that’s another rehash but has something blandly new and shiny, like space ship racing with gerbils(instead of diddy Kong racing, or jet ski racing etc). Nintendo has no new IP ideas, and while I was mostly OK suffering through the tired old crap to get to whatever gameplay innovation they made, they seem to have abandoned the gameplay innovation entirely, and are just suing people to force them to play their games the way they want, even if they already received money for the game and system. Whatever they might have in store for the switch 2, so long as Gary Bowser is living in debt to Nintendo, I will never purchase another Nintendo product new, ever again, and I will only purchase used if they have an absolute banger of a game, but I’m only buying that used as well. No profit to Nintendo. I can buy off eBay.

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