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GlitterInfection, do games w The New Games Journalism, Same As The Old Games Journalism - Aftermath

Games journalism is a cringe phrase that came up during gamer gate to try and justify sexism.

Y’all write fan reviews that are meant to help advertise products. That is all that has ever existed in the genre and is all anyone wants from it.

Goronmon,

That is all that has ever existed in the genre and is all anyone wants from it.

I don’t remember you appointing you as the sole representative for all gamers.

Personally, I think games can be written about beyond “game good” and “game bad”. Or maybe it comes down to whether you find gaming something important, or just a silly way to waste time.

GlitterInfection,

You missed my coronation? That’s on you.

wildginger,

I dont think the fact that you only read product reviews has much weight on game reporting.

In the same way that you only eating carrot cake doesnt really mean that the only thing people bake is carrot cake

GlitterInfection,

“Ethics in games journalism” was a phrase invented to make gamergate’s sexist attacks on women in gaming sound legitimate and I cringe every time people use the term now. Nobody used the term “games journalism” before then.

wildginger,

No one used the specific sentence “ethics in gaming journalism,” is what you meant to say.

The concept of gaming journalism wasnt invented by kiwi farm and 4chan chuds. Because “gaming journalism” is literally that. Journalism. About the industry and artwork involved in video games.

You sound like you bought into their gamergate bullshit.

“Hurrrr, no one writes about games unless its an ad!!” Do you get how stupid this makes you sound? The woman targeted by gamergate is literally a games journalist.

GlitterInfection,

This is pedantic, but journalism is a specific thing and it is not generally considered to be what we see in writing about games.

As an oversimplification: Opinion pieces and reviews aren’t journalism. Reporting on facts and information with research and sources is.

While there may have been a few pieces here and there that qualify, the industry around writing about games has never been heavy on facts and research, and it doesn’t need to be. It’s like any other entertainment section writing.

Inventing the phrase “games journalism” was done to try to legitimise a movement that was about sexism. We just didn’t use that term before and nobody was bothered by that, because it doesn’t really apply.

wildginger,

Its not what you see. Because you are only reading paid for review work. There is no we here. You are in a bubble.

Have you ever even seen anitas work? She was harassed, specifically, for starting a running series of deep analysis pieces about how women are portrayed, discussed, and interpreted within gaming culture from both its players and the games they play.

Just because you never bothered to read her work until someone on an xbox mic screeched about it doesnt magically make her work vanish.

I dont overly care that you only read the paper scraps that flitter past the rock you live under. But the rest of the world isnt your rock. Quit lying about something so easily and obviously disproven.

GlitterInfection,

Anita Sarkeesian’s amazing work as an academic theorist is not journalism just because it involves words. Not all writing is journalism. This isn’t a value judgment of her incredible work that I am fully aware of and found very educational.

Maybe take a step back and realize you’re being incredibly rude to a random internet stranger who has a different opinion than you on what constitutes the term “journalism.”

If after you take that break you can come back without hurling insults at me, then we can have a conversation about it?

wildginger,

So thats a yes, you have literally never actually read her work. You could have at least come out and said so from the beginning. “Just words” what a spit in the face of her work.

Is there any point in discussing a topic with someone who apparently learned of its existence about 20 minutes ago? Go shit talk some other professional bud, youve made enough of an ass of yourself here.

Insane to see someone try and neg anita by pretending to be offended about gamergate

GlitterInfection,

I don’t see how you got “negging anita” out of me complementing her incredible academic work. I was a huge fan of her Tropes vs. Women in Video Games series, as well as the content she was writing at the time. I am sure she’s done other work that I’m not familiar with, too. I am not claiming to be an expert on her entire body of work, but I definitely have seen and read her academic-oriented work.

It’s not journalism, but one could argue it’s more important because it has a thesis and provides evidence through careful academic arguments and research.

None of what I’ve said has warranted how you’re treating me, so I have to ask, what’s going on? are you OK? Why does my definition of journalism threaten you this much?

wildginger,

Why are you still here? Did you not say I hurt your feelings too much to continue?

We already established you do not understand what you are talking about and that you have no interest in changing that. Did you want to insult a different journalist real quick? Do you need an audience for that?

GlitterInfection,

I’m sorry you’re like this but I wish you well.

wildginger, (edited )

You know what I realized?

Youre the guy who refuses to call non medical phD holders doctors, and then acts like the indignant victim when people rightly call you out for insulting people by refusing to use their earned title.

You dump tons of praise on a journalists work to deflect from the fact that you dont actually respect the work. Its not of a high enough standard for her to have earned her title to you.

Youre a dick here just like I am sure youre a dick to any doctorate in chemistry. And yet, you pretend so vehemently that your insults cant possibly be rude, so surely its everyone else who is wrong.

Its pathetic, bud. As is the disengenuous well wishing. That kinda cements my point

shani66, do gaming w Only You Can Prevent The Game Awards Hype Cycle - Aftermath

I figured this would be about the games themselves (not that they are actually good this year), weird. Do people really get hyped about ads? I’m subbed to the YouTube channels that the games i want to play will announce on, why would i care about ads in an event that is supposed to be it’s own thing? Is this how it feels to be out of touch?

moreeni,

The author says that the whole even could easily be shortened but journalists have to watch everything,including useless stuff like ads, carefully not to miss anything.

Why? Because in the field, because of the hype, you have to be the first if you want to have your article read.

This resource is worker-owned and they would often write articles about issues in the game industry that corporatish editors wouldn’t usually let through. This one is an issue that most readers might not even think about.

TheHolyChecksum, do games w The New Games Journalism, Same As The Old Games Journalism - Aftermath

They used Outer Wilds screenshots in their article and never even mentionned that game. Is this written by a language model or something?

Bloodwoodsrisen, do gaming w I Tore Apart My PS5 Controller And You Can Too! - Aftermath
@Bloodwoodsrisen@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That title is the exact reason i’m going into aviation maintenance in December. Being able to take things apart and put them back together again plus fiddling around with them to see how they work? Perfect

BartsBigBugBag,

That will be cool! I do a lot of repair, but aviation is another level! Fixing things is honestly the most satisfying labor overall for me. I take any opportunity I can to learn a new device. I’m in assembly these days, though, so it’s mostly for friends and family. Do you need to go to school for aviation maintenance?

Bloodwoodsrisen,
@Bloodwoodsrisen@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m going to be going to a trade school for a few years to learn everything I need! AIM (Aviation Institute of Maintenance) has locations all over the US

EmoDuck, do gaming w Welcome To The Bog, A Horrible Place To Live In Cities: Skylines

Wow, this is terrible, outright disturbing. I’m not talking about the city, I mean their website on mobile

moreeni,

Excuse me? It looks OK to me, idrk what you are talking about. There is one annoying cookie pop-up that my uBlock filter didn’t catch, but that’s pretty much it

Lettuceeatlettuce,
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

Was fine for me too, I’m running mobile Firefox with Ublock.

moreeni,

FF+uB FTW! But I’ve checked the website on other mobile browsers too both with adblocks and without and the experience was the same. I’m super confused what that person and the 2 orher upvoters didn’t like about the website.

meant2live218, do games w 27 Years Later, LucasArts' Afterlife Is Brilliant, Brutal, And Few Know How To Beat It - Aftermath

I heard Chris mention this when GiantBomb had him on their podcast a week or two ago. It seems like a wild time.

Zoomboingding, do games w 27 Years Later, LucasArts' Afterlife Is Brilliant, Brutal, And Few Know How To Beat It - Aftermath
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

With the resurgence of city builders, it would be a great time to remaster this game. I know my wife would adore the vibes of this game but would be frustrated by the outdated UX.

TheBat, do games w 27 Years Later, LucasArts' Afterlife Is Brilliant, Brutal, And Few Know How To Beat It - Aftermath
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univers3man, do games w 27 Years Later, LucasArts' Afterlife Is Brilliant, Brutal, And Few Know How To Beat It - Aftermath

That was a great read. Thanks for sharing!

Computerchairgeneral, do gaming w It’s Exhausting Trying To Read Video Game Website Headlines

This is something I've noticed for a while now, but haven't been able to really describe. This shift away from clickbait headlines towards cryptic headlines that just refuse to tell you what they're talking about. Like The Best Part of Alan Wake Is Now On Youtube or The Best Soulslike Of 2023 Just Got Easier. And those are just a few that I've seen today. Maybe it will fade away like the worst clickbait headlines did or they'll just keep getting so cryptic and opaque that one day the headlines will be: Something Just Happened.

vanderbilt,
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I’ve literally taken to pasting the articles into GPT and asking it to summarize the articles. I imagine they will be the next causality in the coming AI wars.

jaykay,
@jaykay@lemmy.zip avatar

I would honestly be inclined to pay for a non bs news service, no clickbait titles, no SEO bs in the article which makes it 30 times as long for no reason. Just facts

Mongostein,

There’s just too many papers and news sources out there to make subscriptions viable.

Someone needs to start a non-profit that works with news organizations to get paid per click for ad free no-BS news.

From the users POV it would be like topping up your cell phone minute or whatever.

FeelzGoodMan420,

Those sound like clickbait headlines to me…?

TheSambassador,

I mean, they are literally clickbait. They want you to wonder what the best part of Alan Wake is or what the best soullike of 2023 is. It’s just an evolution of clickbait, but it’s still very much clickbait.

Carighan, do games w Amazon Lays Off 180 Employees In Its Games Division - Aftermath
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll be honest, I am quite surprised they had 180 workers left there after the continuous stream of tepid stuff they’ve put out over time.

Still, sucks for the people working there, becuase I bet a lot of them at least started really driven and motivated before corporate ground their will down.

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

Another example of under funded giant corporate projects and then shocked Pikachu that they aren’t wildly profitable. They’ll never understand you can make a wildly profitable game, but it requires investment

Empricorn,

Or just y’know: provide a service, make a profit, provide people with stable jobs, keep on going. I know it sounds crazy, but you don’t have to have all the money…

ChaoticEntropy,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

It does require some actual inspiration as well. Companies are setting up production lines and wondering why solid gold doesn’t just plop out the end when they switch it on.

AAA, do gaming w It’s Exhausting Trying To Read Video Game Website Headlines

Unfortunately that’s not just gaming related news, but all news (and non-news).

It’s by design. It leaves you wondering (and ideally click on the article).

What I actually would like to know if journalists, or whoever writes the articles, are picking these headlines consciously or if they’re following guidelines. I can imagine both scenarios.

p03locke,
@p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

If you click on the article, spend two seconds on it, and don’t actually read it, have you actually fulfilled the marketing goals of the web site?

For one, you haven’t actually read anything, so there’s nothing to register “this is a good web site with good content and I will read their articles in the future”. No reputation bump from it.

And two, you didn’t have time to actually see the ads, that is, if you didn’t already had an ad-blocker in the first place.

The goals of clickbait don’t actually align with the goals of their profitability.

AAA,

Well, obviously someone did the math and figured out it’s better to have these titles than not. So I’d say you’re wrong.

If the title makes more people click in the first place and the amount of people who stay to read at least until they know they’re not interested, is bigger than the number of visitors if they had a normal title… the stupid title wins.

stargazingpenguin, do gaming w It’s Exhausting Trying To Read Video Game Website Headlines

I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one that’s less likely to click on articles like that! If they’re not going to give me an idea of what I’m clicking on, I generally don’t read it. It’s usually possible to find a few websites that have informative headlines.

Koordinator_O,

You are not the only one but there are enough who actually click those titels so it is worthwhile for them to write in this manner and they don’t care about the few of us.

cafuneandchill, do gaming w It’s Exhausting Trying To Read Video Game Website Headlines

Modern Japanese LN moment

avater, (edited ) do games w It's Exhausting Trying To Read Video Game Website Headlines - Aftermath
@avater@lemmy.world avatar

a headline from the same page 😅

I Don’t Really Understand What The Five Nights At Freddy’s Movie Was About, And It Wasn’t Good, But I Didn’t Hate It

But in general I totally agree on that. Those clickbait headlines simply suck.

mcforest,

or

You Can Finally Fall for Rusty In This Armored Core 6 Dating Sim

avater,
@avater@lemmy.world avatar

from the same outlet?

mcforest,

Right now in the "featured stories" on aftermath

magic_lobster_party,

AC6 is already a Rusty dating sim

Goronmon,

I think for that title to accurately reflect the overall complaint it would be something more like “I Don’t Really Understand What This New Movie Release Was About, And It Wasn’t Good, But I Didn’t Hate It” or to use the lower level comment’s example “You Can Finally Fall for Your Favorite Character In This Dating Sim Based on a Popular Recent Release”.

Where the title is intentionally vague so that you need to read it to even understand what they are talking about. The original titles could be easily summarized as “Opinions on Five Nights At Freddy’s movie” or “Dating Sim based on character from Armored Core 6” just based on the title alone. So if you are aren’t interested in either of those topics, you can easily skip reading.

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