I’m not saying it’s right, or fixes past evils…but can we stop pretending the modern US have been the only ones that have ever done evil shit? At this point it feels more like crying wolf for the sins of our fathers. Every country, every era has dirty laundry.
Okay, well, here’s a video game about that and you don’t have to play it if you don’t want. Heisting back your cultural heirlooms is a great premise I could get behind for any culture.
This isn’t dirty laundry, this is current events. This event happened last week.
If you are referring to the game, the article calls out the US and UK, but the game description itself just says western, which probably means several locations. But even if it is just the US and UK, who cares? The US and UK have a fuckton of dirty laundry that is still being aired out, and this South African dev has the right to address concerns with those two countries that have had direct harm to their culture
I’m so disappointed, but not at all surprised. I feel for them. :( Thank you for sharing this here. The game sounds awesome. I hope they’re successful with it and it gets really popular and helps educate people.
Sad to see. I didn’t love everything they produced but they still had winners. They kind if reintroduced me to the gang over at Dropout. I hope everyone lands in their feet, and it’d be nice to see some of then over at Dropout.
Having the gall to talk about social issues or the state of the industry as a whole rather than just being an “apolitical” hype machine.
It really sucks that Polygon is dead because they wrote some ridiculously fun and even thought provoking articles over the years. But, silver linings, it is an even bigger magnet for people to show their asses than ronnie radke.
It is my opinion that the left should actually be backing Israel and not Palestine. Palestine leadership would kill you where you stand for your beliefs. And has far more in common with the religious right here in America
Boycott when doom darkk ages just came out are you insane?
Never heard of this little developer or his game. Won’t be missing it either
Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad. Palestine leadership may not be great (or even good), but at least they’re not actively carrying out a genocide.
but at least they’re not actively carrying out a genocide.
It’s simply because they aren’t able to. Look man, Israel is undoubtedly carrying out a genocide and Netanyahu is war criminal who should be given a death sentence for the things he has done. But Israel at least pretends to be good. But if Palestine had the kind of military backing Israel does, Israel would simply not exist on the map today. And the Palestinians would be openly celebrating over the dead bodies of Israeli people.
But if Palestine had the kind of military backing Israel does, Israel would simply not exist on the map today. And the Palestinians would be openly celebrating over the dead bodies of Israeli people.
What is this based on? Like, could you (by any means) back up this claim?
I hadn’t seen it before, and I can definitely understand why its content is disturbing.
Granted, as I’m unable to understand the context beyond what AP themselves have provided, I’ll (for the sake of the argument) accept this as Palestinians celebrating an attack on the US.
Then, my initial intention was to dissect the argument and explain why I can’t agree with your extrapolation^[That is, “But if Palestine had the kind of military backing Israel does, Israel would simply not exist on the map today. And the Palestinians would be openly celebrating over the dead bodies of Israeli people.”]. However, to my surprise, your extrapolation might not be as far-fetched as I initially thought 😅. But, this ultimately depends on what you mean precisely. So, please allow me to ask further clarifications:
With “Israel would simply not exist on the map today.”, what do you mean exactly? Like, what would come in its place? What would become of the Israeli people?
With “And the Palestinians would be openly celebrating over the dead bodies of Israeli people.”, do you mean something similar like we see on the footage? Or something more grandiose? (And perhaps more sinister?)
Firstly, I’m glad we can have a civil discourse on this topic rather than resorting to personal attacks and namecalling. I also appreciate the fact that you seem like someone who actually wants to get to the truth rather than defending your stance no matter what.
accept this as Palestinians celebrating an attack on the US.
You’re right. The people in the video are in fact publicly celebrating the 9/11 attacks which took the lives of thousands of innocent people. As you can see, it’s not just grown ass men who are celebrating, but children and women too. If this is the level of hatred they have towards the United States, do I really need to explain how severe their hatred for Israel would be?
Like, what would come in its place?
That’s an easy question to answer. There would be one country and it would be called Palestine.
do you mean something similar like we see on the footage? Or something more grandiose?
I honestly don’t know. But they will be celebrating. And they will want the whole world to see them celebrating. That’s for sure.
Again I want to be very clear that I’m not an Israeli sympathizer. I’m just trying to make a point that the Palestinians aren’t the saints that the liberals (btw I’m a liberal myself) often portray them to be.
Your reply is much appreciated, fam! Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to return right away. I thank you for your patience! Btw, I’m not native. So, if I misuse any terms/words/phrases or whatnot; my apologies. Usually, I put in some significant effort to alleviate this. Sadly, I didn’t quite have the chance to do so this time. Thank you for your understanding!
Firstly, I’m glad we can have a civil discourse on this topic rather than resorting to personal attacks and namecalling. I also appreciate the fact that you seem like someone who actually wants to get to the truth rather than defending your stance no matter what.
Thanks fam for the compliments! Your engagement is (I think) (at least) equally commendable!
You’re right. The people in the video are in fact publicly celebrating the 9/11 attacks which took the lives of thousands of innocent people. As you can see, it’s not just grown ass men who are celebrating, but children and women too. If this is the level of hatred they have towards the United States, do I really need to explain how severe their hatred for Israel would be?
Btw, I understood the implied context of the footage. But, it would be intellectually dishonest if I didn’t take into account the framing at hand. Cuz, if we were to be very critical of the footage itself (so without AP’s provided text as guidance), then there’s nothing explicitly there that connects those celebrations to the 9/11 killings; no burning of American flags or anything that would imply it. Granted, I assume neither of us speak Arabic. So that doesn’t help either 😅.
Just to be clear, I’m well aware that this story is pretty much uncontested^[I did find this, but it seems to be a biased take.]. So I’m not actually disputing it. But, with the benefit of hindsight^[That is, the eventual wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.], it’s hard to completely deny any ulterior motives for broadcasting said celebrations.
And to push back: is it sociologically-speaking strange for them to be glad that the biggest support of their rivals has received a retribution?
That’s an easy question to answer. There would be one country and it would be called Palestine.
History has indeed taught us that that^[Nation states only exist since relatively recently. So, there has never been a Palestinian state or something. However, Muslim rule has dictated over those lands. My reading of history informs me that while Jews definitely weren’t first-class citizens, they were fortunately not persecuted like we saw in other parts of the world.]'s a pretty likely outcome. But, I was also curious to hear your take on the other question. Namely, “What would become of the Israeli people?”.
But they will be celebrating.
Likely indeed.
And they will want the whole world to see them celebrating. That’s for sure.
Again I want to be very clear that I’m not an Israeli sympathizer. I’m just trying to make a point that the Palestinians aren’t the saints that the liberals (btw I’m a liberal myself) often portray them to be.
If sainthood is achieved through suffering alone, then I’d argue they would make a good chance. But yeah, I get where you’re hinting at.
But, with the benefit of hindsight[2], it’s hard to completely deny any ulterior motives for broadcasting said celebrations.
AP is one of the most factual and unbiased news media out there. And the clip I shared just proves that. There was ZERO commentary accompanying it. It was just pure reporting of what actually happened. I mean the only other thing they could have done is simply not post the video. And would it be fair reporting if they intentionally suppressed the video?
is it sociologically-speaking strange for them to be glad that the biggest support of their rivals has received a retribution?
That’s a fair question. But 9/11 wasn’t a military war in which the US lost its soldiers or politicians who were responsible for war in the middle east. It was a cowardly suicide attack that took the lives of working innocent people who had absolutely nothing do with America’s actions in the middle east. And celebrating that is in no way justifiable.
What would become of the Israeli people?”
Probably die fighting or migrate as refugees to other countries
If sainthood is achieved through suffering alone, then I’d argue they would make a good chance.
It’s just sad that we live in a time that is more polarized than ever. Very few are actually interested in the truth. Most just want to stick to their prejudiced opinions no matter what and I see this in both the left and the right.
I thought they were more interesting than average, even when I disagreed with a take. The kind of site there should be a ton of, with varying takes for people to despise to a baffling degree. Sad to see it gone, or "gone" and turned intp a slop factory with known terrible working conditions for the people left.
Regardless of feelings about the people themselves, it's awful that they fired the union members probably deliberately at this point in the sale so they wouldn't have to go along with their contracts.
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