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stickerface, w /kbin - a few quick announcements

Just found this site - definitely going to be putting an effort in to getting the formula1 kbin populated.

calixte,

FYI, there is already a lemmy community for f1 gaining some traction. Do with that what you will, just putting it out there :)

https://lemmy.ml/c/formula1

VerifiablyMrWonka,
@VerifiablyMrWonka@kbin.social avatar

Sadly, until federation is working, it may as well not exist.

That said, when it does start working I look forward to the battle of the f1 communities.

rokejulianlockhart,
@rokejulianlockhart@kbin.social avatar

It appears to be federating now.

such_lettuce7970, w How to block an instance on a personal level?
@such_lettuce7970@kbin.social avatar

I can help: say for example, you want to block lemmygrad.ml - go to kbin.social/d/lemmygrad.ml (d for "domain") and from there you can block the whole instance (click on the 🚫).

KuchiKopi, w PSA: Upvote is not an upvote like you are used to (like Reddit) - "Boost" is the Reddit Upvote
@KuchiKopi@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks! I’ll upvote this for visibility.

Potato__Ninja,

Bruh, you got me laughing hard.

DONTBANTHISACCOUNT,

418 upvotes / 3 downvoted = You one funny Person*

I am brand new to KBIN n loving it so far

Thanks to OP I got me answer .. that's the first thing I didn't get;
"What's the diff between n upvote and boost ? "

dannekrose, w PSA: Upvote is not an upvote like you are used to (like Reddit) - "Boost" is the Reddit Upvote
@dannekrose@kilioa.org avatar

@HamSwagwich

This is a result of the original design. Kbin, up until just before the peak traffic hit, was using boosts as upvotes and favorites/likes were just below the post/thread (where boost sits now). Lemmy does it the way it is now (likes = upvotes) so Ernest changed it to match Lemmy behavior. But just as he changed it, he hadn’t changed the calculation for reputation to match when the server nearly melted down and he has to spend all his time just trying to keep the site alive by himself.

garrettw87,
@garrettw87@kbin.social avatar

I see you’re on a different Kbin instance. Was this intended to be a threaded reply, out of curiosity? Because it shows up as a top-level comment on the post for me.

Awwab,
@Awwab@kbin.social avatar

He using an optional feature that lets you auto populate your reply box with the OPs username.

garrettw87,
@garrettw87@kbin.social avatar

Yes, but my bigger point is that it’s not threaded as a reply to one of that user’s comments.

Edit: Oops, nevermind. I saw their comments elsewhere down here but didn’t realize they were OP. Just one of the interface things on Kbin that needs improvement.

Edit 2: I need to figure out how to do strikethrough text on here

artillect,
@artillect@kbin.social avatar

You can do strikethrough text ~~like this~~

LinusWorks4Mo,
@LinusWorks4Mo@kbin.social avatar

like this?

ernest, w How do we get an instance removed?
@ernest@kbin.social avatar

I'll try to take care of it today and potentially clean up the activity. For now, I've limited the traffic from that instance. I'm currently working on additional tools for moderators.

crossmr,

Hell Ernest, 7 months on, this is still an issue.

ernest, w "Antiwoke" magazin on kbin.social posting bullshit like "how to end Wokeness" and "Time to reject the extrem trans lobby harming our society" How to report ? he is the moderator of that magazin.
@ernest@kbin.social avatar

I just need a little more time. There will likely be a technical break announced tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Along with the migration to new servers, we will be introducing new moderation tools that I am currently working on and testing (I had it planned for a bit later in my roadmap). Then, I will address your reports and handle them very seriously. I try my best to delete sensitive content, but with the current workload and ongoing relocation, it takes a lot of time. I am being extra cautious now. The regulations are quite general, and I would like to refine them together with you and do everything properly. For now, please make use of the option to block the magazine/author.

spicy_biscuits,
@spicy_biscuits@kbin.social avatar

Thank you Ernest, we appreciate you ☺️

Emu, w A starting guide to kbin.social + support thread for new users
@Emu@kbin.social avatar

The kbin owner needs to make things simple and intuitive. It shouldn't require reading pages of introductions and explanations to access a platform like this. That is one thing Reddit did well, is making things super easy and straight foward. All this fediverse stuff shouldn't require people to learn- it's just a forum.

kuontom,
@kuontom@kbin.social avatar

While I understand the fediverse may pose a learning curve, please note it does not refer to a forum, which is why there are introduction pages. As for Reddit being straight forward, it's been developing for about 18 years now. Kbin in comparison is about two months into development.

VerifiablyMrWonka, w Assuming boost stays as some sort of a super-upvote/share combo alongside regular up/downvote buttons, here's a UI idea on how to merge it into one unified voting system. App animation + web block mockup
@VerifiablyMrWonka@kbin.social avatar

I like the overal effect but it's hiding the true nature of boosting.

Boosting shares a piece of content with your followers. Favouriting does not. Kbin does not yet contain a follower feed, but it is planned. This is what that looks like on Mastodon:

jon, w /kbin project management costs, financing, future plans
@jon@kbin.social avatar

@ernest, if Kbin starts making okay money, don't be afraid to give yourself a salary. It's important that you get to eat too.

tburkhol,

As I’ve been lurking around the fediverse, running instances seems to be universally a hobby project, and it’s a little concerning. It kind of gives the impression of all being idealistic young kids embarrassed to ascribe value to their own time. I mean, you can do a lot with volunteer labor, especially if it’s a good ecosystem with appropriate recognition and gratitude, but the people are absolutely the most valuable parts of kbin.social, lemmy.world, etc, and they do have to eat, pay rent, go on vacation. It’s tough to respond to a 3am message about your instance being hacked if you have a job to be at four hours later, and leads to a whole different kind of burnout.

It’s early days yet, but I hope the bigger instance teams get some input from people who’ve managed growth spurts in non-profits, and especially the transition to their first paid staff members (even when that staff member is the owner).

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Maybe this was also how the internet was intended.

elscallr,
@elscallr@kbin.social avatar

I'm not sure if you're joking but it's not that long that's how it used to be.

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

@elscallr Well some history. IPv4 (and later IPv6 now) was meant to connect computers together, ideally without any router/modem in between but each device directly on the web (but ipv6 came too late). So we got an interconnected web.

Later Tim Berners-Lee just want to have a human-readable documents to be linked together, with a distributed architecture that would see those documents stored on multiple servers, controlled by different people, and interconnected. I think the fediverse comes pretty close to this idea.

I also think big companies and centralized solutions might make it easier for the user, but we also now know all the downsides of those solutions from Google, Meta, Amazon, Microsoft,... you are the product.

@ernest @jon @tburkhol

tburkhol,

ipv4, and the structures that came before it, were meant for academics and military commands to talk to each other on government funding. It was the definition of an elitist space and filled with idealistic kids and dilettantes who didn’t need to worry about rent. Nobody in the public would even know it existed for a decade.

lemonflavoured,
@lemonflavoured@kbin.social avatar

Hear, hear

tjhart85,
@tjhart85@kbin.social avatar

I agree ... one of the greatest things I've seen in FOSS has been growing to the point that Nabu Casa can employee 25 people to work on the project (I have no idea if they're all full time or what, but I know at least a decent chunk are).

If I spin up an instance, whether it stays afloat is between me and the people on my instance, but if we want the flagship to stay up and for our dev to have the time/willingness to make improvements, he needs to get paid. Even just project managing a project of this size is an immense undertaking and just accepting PR's from others can get to be crazy.

I'd honestly prefer to not have to decide between "I want this to go to /kbin" or "Ernest is 'allowed' to buy a beer with this". I'd prefer to donate to something that ensures /Kbins needs are met for x amount of months and then the rest is split between employees of the org at whatever ratio is agreed upon. That's just my $.02 ... I really do appreciate that Ernest wants to be so careful with the fund though, I just don't want the /Kbin account to be sitting multi-thousands of dollars in the black while Ernest is struggling with basic subsistence.

Lolman228, w /kbin project management costs, financing, future plans

I thought that donations going to you were going to be pocketed and spent on hard liquor, not for our benefit. I'm disappointed in you ernest, be better.

TheGreenGolem,

Yeah, what about the blackjack and especially the hookers part?

operator, w /kbin project management costs, financing, future plans
@operator@kbin.social avatar

First and foremost: Thank you @ernest for your incredible work and dedication.

  1. Pay yourself a salary. Whatever you feel is appropriate & covers your personal costs. Developing and maintaining /kbin seems to be a full time job (or at least will become one)
  2. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TRANSPARENCY. That's why we are here. This builds such a huge trust with the community. Whatever you need, we'll be here.
symfonystation, w /kbin project management costs, financing, future plans
@symfonystation@kbin.social avatar

@ernest Thanks for everything you and the team do. I just sent you a few beers. :) https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kbin for others wanting to contribute.

Erikatharsis, w A relatively easy way to disable the "random posts" or "random threads" sections (desktop web browser) + suggestions for sidebar
@Erikatharsis@kbin.social avatar

Forgive me for boosting my own thread; I just want to make sure this tutorial is visible on "hot", since this is a potential fix to a problem a lot of people are having.

kindenough,
@kindenough@kbin.social avatar

Thnx, this was bothering me for quite a while.

Arotrios, w What does blocking someone actually do?
@Arotrios@kbin.social avatar

@ernest - just a heads up that I'm experiencing the same bug - notifications from blocked accounts. Wouldn't normally be an issue, but we've got a couple of trolls that like to go back to old threads and keep replying to try and bait a response.

Gutotito,
@Gutotito@kbin.social avatar

Ah, we finally got to the point of "anyone who disagrees with me is a troll." Took longer than I thought. This thread is becoming a great way to populate my blocklist.

Arotrios,
@Arotrios@kbin.social avatar

Nope, just don't wanna deal with fucktards after I've blocked them. Shouldn't have to deal with them 2-3 weeks later popping up on my notifications - not a big ask. Dunno how you got offended seeing as I have no idea who you are.

Candelestine, w You can be the one to create the kbin page on wikipedia

There wasn’t a lot of good source material to use a couple months ago. I’m unsure if that has changed, but it might’ve. It’s a prerequisite for writing a good wikipedia article, at any rate, as opposed to a shitty one.

You’re not allowed to write your own telling of the story on there, you have to copy other people’s and cite them. So a lot of other people need to have written on it, from a position of being a reliable source, before a quality wikipedia article can be written.

Though a small, mediocre article can be better than no article, if you’re giving someone a good framework to improve on later, as more sources develop.

JackbyDev,

There’s been a lot of articles about the recent Reddit drama or whatever you want to call it. I’m sure some of them have mentioned Lemmy and Kbin!

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

And also bear in mind that if someone writes a crappy enough kbin article now and it gets deleted, that's going to make it harder to get a kbin article started again in the future. I know that's not how it's supposed to work in principle but unfortunately it's how it works in practice.

0x1C3B00DA,
@0x1C3B00DA@kbin.social avatar

Pleroma still doesn't have a wikipedia article because of this, despite being one of the oldest AP-enabled fediverse services. It's been deleted twice because some moderator didn't like the quality or number of sources.

density,
@density@kbin.social avatar

@FaceDeer oh that's interesting. do you know why?

magic_lobster_party,

Wikipedia doesn’t like articles that are basically ads. Articles should be written from an unbiased standpoint using independent sources. If an article has been removed because it’s basically self promotion, then mods will be more careful about reopening it again.

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