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squidsarefriends, w Anita Sarkeesian is shutting down Feminist Frequency after 15 years

Her videos about women in video games were mind-blowing. And I never forgot her Lego City vs. Lego Friends comparison. Smurfette-syndrome and damsel distress are words I didn‘t know before watching this channel.

hal_5700X, w Anita Sarkeesian is shutting down Feminist Frequency after 15 years
@hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

Wait…that was still an thing?! I thought it died a long time ago.

Ragnell, w The Witcher producer blames Americans and social media for Netflix series' simplified plot
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

I know everyone thinks I'm a brittle American, but I'm kind of sick of everyone blaming Americans for choices that are made by people who think poorly of Americans.

Windex007,

As a general rule, the people making decisions to simplify things because they think Americans can’t handle a complex source ARE Americans.

Ragnell,
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

@Windex007 Yeah, but they see themselves as smarter than the rest of the Americans when they are in fact, the bottom percentile.

Windex007,

I understand that.

My point is your original comment said you were sick of people blaming Americans for something that is literally being done by Americans.

The bland media algorithm designed to maximize profits, the “MCU formula”, comes straight from the top. People who see media simply in terms of investment vehicles for thier quarterly shareholders reports are the ones who lay down this law, and those “people” are overwhelmingly American business interests.

Ragnell,
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

I know what you meant. There is such a thing as self-hatred, or thinking you're the only exceptional member of a group. And there's also such a thing as don't trash the majority with the actions of a small minority, particularly a small minority that thinks they are better than the majority.

My point is that the reason this was dumbed down is that movie execs THINK Americans need that, not that Americans need that. Movie execs just think the average American is dumber than a movie exec.

masterspace,

I’m pretty sick of Americans feeling picked on.

You have an illiteracy rate of like 20%. Make a real public school system and then we’ll talk.

Ragnell,
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

@masterspace Oh go milk a moose.

Ragnell,
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

@masterspace All right, so I was interested in the statistic so I looked it up and 20% of Americans are at Level 1 literacy or below according to Wikipedia... which means that actually a lower number than that is functionally illiterate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

And out of curiosity I looked up Canada. https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/literacy 22% Level 1 or below.

Allowing for margin of error, your public school system sucks just as much as ours. So go milk a moose in French.

masterspace,

Being creepy by stalking my past conversations instead of arguing the point at hand, and ironically furthering my point by mistakenly using a study on Canada from 1989.

Our current (2013) sub-level 1 literacy rate is around 4%: www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/…/tbl1.1-eng.htm

No, our public education systems are not equivalent even if that makes you feel bad.

Ragnell,
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

Stalking your past convos? No. I saw you were from lemmy.ca and therefore Canadian. Then I did a search for the 20 percent statistic and of course Wikipedia came up.

I don't feel bad. I know our school system sucks because of a lot of systemic problems. I do think your education is not as great as you think it is if you simplify the 20% statistic to full illiteracy and if you think a random person on kbin needs to set up a new public school system before she can have an opinion.

That's before we unpack the idea that literacy=intelligence, which is not always the case.

I do feel a bit bad about the stalking accusation. I didn't realize the ability to see your server in the automatic kbin reply setup combined with the esoteric knowledge of how to use Duck Duck Go would frighten you, Mr Better Educated Than Me. We can stop if this is too much for your heart. This weather can be tough on the body and I know you guys aren't well-versed in heat safety.

masterspace,

if you think a random person on kbin needs to set up a new public school system before she can have an opinion.

You’re allowed to have an opinion, if your opinion is that you feel like America is picked on for being too dumb in this context then I would suggest that you need some strong evidence to persuade people that literacy is not a proxy for education, or more specifically, the ability to hold more complicated medieval fantasy plots together.

And I am well aware of our flaws, our literacy rate is 1.25x the OECD average which is shameful. I’m just not false equivalencing that with America’s 6.33x. In fact if you remove America as the outlier dragging the OECD stats down we look even worse.

Ragnell,
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

@masterspace So we're helping you. I bet you feel bad about making fun of us now.

masterspace,

Punching down never feels good

Ragnell,
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

@masterspace And there we get to why I'm such a brittle American. See, the immense privilege of the powerful in our country, our military prowess, and the export of the my of American exceptionalism have CONVINCED a lot of people across the world that if they bash Americans it is punching up.

It's not. See, we do HAVE a bad public school system and the richest in our country have spent 40 years sabotaging it in some scheme to fund private schooling. Not only that, school funding is partly by federal and state funding--which is sabotaged by those bastards--but MOSTLY by local taxes so the people in the rich areas get the good schooling with arts, extracurricular activities, foreign language studies and a pool while the people in the poor areas get a whiteboard, an untrained Army veteran as a teacher, and the requirement to buy their own school supplies.

As Americans we have to fight constantly against this sabotage, WHILE working full-time jobs with greater hours and fewer benefits than any other Western country just so we can afford to go to a doctor--as we are called by not just the privileged in our country but the entire WORLD lazy, stupid, complacent and undeserving.

So when you make fun of the average American and call them stupid because their public school system which they need to fix before they complain about people making fun of them? You're punching down.

Meanwhile, you accuse me of punching down but I have spent this thread mocking you for living in a country with a vast abundance of natural resources and wildlife, and living in a country where it's common to ACTUALLY learn a second language rather than learn some grammar rules and tick off boxes, which as I say above, is a privilege in the US afforded to the better schooling that you get by virtue of living in a rich area.

Now, if you'd say Americans are stupid because we invaded the wrong country... Well, then you'd be punching up. But instead you're making fun of something that we are actually at a disadvantage in.

masterspace,

Except that I didn’t make fun of anything, I merely pointed out that it’s plausible that Netflix felt like they had to dumb the Witcher down for American audiences.

As Americans we have to fight constantly against this sabotage, WHILE working full-time jobs with greater hours and fewer benefits than any other Western country just so we can afford to go to a doctor–as we are called by not just the privileged in our country but the entire WORLD lazy, stupid, complacent and undeserving.

And yeah, I recognize that sucks, but you don’t have to do that because of external forces, you have to do that because many people in the group called “Americans” repeatedly vote for politicians who put those systems in place. So when people call Americans stupid, there’s a reason for it. Many are stupid and vote for stupid shit that goes directly against their interest. I’m sorry if you don’t like to hear that or be associated with your fellow countrypeople who do, but it’s the reality of the situation when we’re talking about “Americans” as a whole.

Ragnell,
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

This you?

I’m pretty sick of Americans feeling picked on.

You have an illiteracy rate of like 20%. Make a real public school system and then we’ll talk.

You weren't just making fun, you were saying you're sick of us being bothered when people made fun of us.

masterspace,

You weren’t just making fun, you were saying you’re sick of us being bothered when people made fun of us.

Except that the context in which I was replying was not one where someone felt picked on because they got made fun of, it was one where someone felt picked on because someone said that it’s plausible they dumbed down the Witcher for Americans.

Ragnell,
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

@masterspace Yeah, but YOU are the one who brought public school into it and you did it in a clever little jokey way.

If you had said "Well, that's what you get for attacking the wrong country", it would be one thing. But you went and made fun of the public school system. You punched down. And now, for your sins, you are stuck in this conversation.

masterspace,

Yeah, but YOU are the one who brought public school into it and you did it in a clever little jokey way.

Because the quality of education affects intelligence, or more specifically, the ability to hold more/less complex witcher plotlines together in your head, so it is a rationale thing to bring up when discussing whether or not Americans are actually capable of holding more/less complex witcher plotlines together in their heads.

You punched down

No, I merely held up a mirror and caused you to have a temper tantrum

Ragnell,
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

I'd hate to see how you'd react to an actual temper tantrum.

No, man. You're mocking people who don't have access to a high standard of learning. You're trying to rationalize that away so that you don't have to feel bad about it.

masterspace,

Again, didn’t mock.

Ragnell,
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

Did too.

masterspace,
Ragnell,
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

@masterspace You're really so obsessed with the last word you're gonna let this dissolve into name-calling? are you still IN school?

masterspace,

I know you are but what am I?

Ragnell,
@Ragnell@kbin.social avatar

@masterspace Less tired of this than me. You win this time, Canada.

snownyte, w Disco Elysium for $12 may be the best $12 you ever spend on games in your life
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

More like the best $10 I've spent when it once went on sale.

Mandy, w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it

remember when devs actually tried to FUCKING COMPRESS THEIR FILES AND NOT MAKE THE GAME NEEDLESSLY MASSIVE

downpunxx, w The Witcher producer blames Americans and social media for Netflix series' simplified plot
@downpunxx@kbin.social avatar

While I've enjoyed seasons past, including the animated bit they put out that one year, after watching an episode and a half of the first half of this last season 3 a couple things became clear, there are too many subplots/characters to the point that I simply tune out all the names and don't care, focusing instead on the main three, and lastly that I'm bored. It's become something tiresome, and I shut it off after a couple episodes, maybe I'll revisit, probably not.

holycrapwtfatheism,

It doesn't get better. S3 is so far detached from what season 1 brought to the table as to be mockery. The acting feels so forced in this one.

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@kbin.social avatar

That's a shame, but this kind of shit is why I cancelled my Netflix and never looked back.

CybranM,

Yeah same, I was really hoping the witcher show would turn out great but then when they first showed the nilfgaard armours before S1 I lost hope and my fear turned out to be justified.

technologicalcaveman, w The next Battlefield will ‘reimagine’ the series as a ‘truly connected ecosystem’

It's like they don't want to sell games

CosmoNova, w The Witcher producer blames Americans and social media for Netflix series' simplified plot

The tale of producers dumbing down plot and dialogue for greater main stream appeal is as old as show business. And from my experience said producers are almost always wrong. Sorry pal, but you can’t blame social media for something your peers have always been doing.

EvaUnit02, w Disco Elysium for $12 may be the best $12 you ever spend on games in your life
@EvaUnit02@kbin.social avatar

I couldn't get in to this game, myself. Granted, due to that, I've only played about an hour of it but this game felt much more like a Visual Novel than an RPG, to me. Stats seemed to have no bearing on anything other than what the narrative decided they have a bearing on. It was therefore, very difficult to figure out who my character was. Otherwise, you're just clicking on things and reading reams of text.

I get that they were trying to go for a more tabletop version of an RPG but without a DM, I find that near impossible to translate 1:1. I would have preferred a more Baldur's Gate approach to the game.

Steampunk,
@Steampunk@kbin.social avatar

Stats are very important and can cause a playthrough to be very different. I can say more about it if you're interested.

Poggervania,
@Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

It’s more akin to Planescape: Torment than something like Baldur’s Gate. The game is dense with writing and dialogue, and the majority of it is derived from your stats. Granted, there are a couple of skill checks that you can’t fail due to being story important, but it’s only those two specific instances - everything else is heavily stat-based. There’s also ideologies that the game tracks, so you can be an egotistic superstar cop, a doomsaying apocalypse cop, a normal cop, or even a super-political cop that becomes more drilled down if you want to engage in the fascist, communist, moderate, and/or liberal aspects of the game - and the game does respond to that, including noting how you can be both a communist and a fascist, or some other combination of ideologies.

To help put it in perspective, your stats are, quite literally, your character’s brain. Having low stats doesn’t really impact the game, but you also can become sort of neurotic with high stats - which does have its upsides and downsides (except Encyclopedia, it will drown you in world-building exposition that doesn’t really help and drags out conversations at the higher levels). It’s much more “role-playing” and less “game”.

HidingCat,

Really sounds like it's not the game for you. You want combat and big numbers, which isn't what Disco Elysium is about.

I'm still halfway through a playthrough, but it really is a great RPG, with an interesting narrative.

kyub, w The Witcher producer blames Americans and social media for Netflix series' simplified plot

This is just damage control, there doesn’t have to be meaning to these words other than a try of appeasing the fans. That said though, it’s ironic how the Witcher games at least (haven’t read the books yet) have quite mature and well-written content compared to most other games, so they’re like the opposite of what he’s trying to say here and people LOVE the games for that. So it’s literally the opposite that’s true. If you put out over-simplified garbage, you will not create anything good with that kind of ingredients.

vewave, w The creators of Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty promise more fixes on the PC version
@vewave@kbin.social avatar

Wo Long is the harsh reminder that I shouldn't pre-order games. That one water level is quite literally unplayable even at the lowest settings.

CraigeryTheKid, w The Witcher producer blames Americans and social media for Netflix series' simplified plot

Season 2 (“Book 1” in the US), I agree made some TERRIBLE changes, especially around Yennifer’s relationship with Ciri.

Having just finished Season 3, however, I feel like they mostly pulled back into following the book’s major plotlines. Sure, a TV show makes some concessions on content, but overall I felt it followed the books “okay”. Everything that happened in Thanedd was close, and everything after that too, in the final 3 episodes. Rience was the strangest change to me, since that doesn’t happen for several books and it’s Ciri’s doing.

Does the general public agree? Or are we still so mad about Season 2 that we refuse to see Season 3 positively?

Arcane_Trixster,

I’m not watching S3, knowing Cavill won’t be back. Not worth investing anymore time. The series is a failure to me.

Veraxus,
@Veraxus@kbin.social avatar

This. I see no point in investing any more of time in this show. Netflix needs to fire everybody, pull every episode from existence, and just start over with people who actually care about the source material and are willing to invest the time, effort, and respect to do it right.

CraigeryTheKid,

I guess you two are answering my last question - we’re so mad at Season 2 that the negative verdict is decided regardless.

My point was that Season 3 seems to have pulled back and DID honor the source material much better, but I guess it was too late.

Veraxus,
@Veraxus@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, fair, but I didn’t like the first season, either. Cavill was perfect, Joey Batey as Dandelion was… fine… and that is where the positives stopped. The show was a mess from the start and you can’t just erase those seasons if they did happen to do a little better on 3… and knowing that Cavill is out for season 4… there is just no point. I’d rather replay Witcher 3 again than ever watch another minute of that show.

CraigeryTheKid,

oof, you just reminded me - Dandelion in season 3 was… not as good as Season 1/2. Even down to the detail that every time he came on screen, my wife demanded to know what they did with his hair. That, and the strangely unnecessary sex scenes with another male.

ok ok, season 3 wasnt perfect either. but I was “surprised” that the big events at Aretuza and the major events afterward all followed the book rather closely…

anewbeginning, w The Witcher producer blames Americans and social media for Netflix series' simplified plot

It’s a bold strategy, Cotton!

Lightsong, w Street Fighter 6 tournament accidentally broadcasts Chun Li nude mod to the world

Wew, great top comment.

Itty53, w The Witcher producer blames Americans and social media for Netflix series' simplified plot
@Itty53@kbin.social avatar

Huh, the games did phenomenally well in America. Weird. /s

We're in an age of knee-jerk finger pointing, with the problem getting worse the higher you get in society. It's just one giant game of blame hot-potato.

Here's the thing: The producers don't owe the fans shit. They don't owe the fans an explanation even. They owe the investors an explanation. The fans are just there, that's the reality of being a fan of something. We don't get a say, we just can choose to watch or not, and then decide to trash it or praise it online if we want to.

So while there's a problem going up the ladder of the blame game, there's another one coming back down the ladder, and it's entitlement. For some odd reason there's an air of "we deserve this content, exactly to our specifications" and it permeates games, movies, music, all of the entertainment content we have been inundated with as a society. And I think the culture generally leans towards encouraging it because it keeps the culture thriving. But it also keeps us in the exact status quo we're in as a society, beholden to these billionaire publishers we all rail on daily.

Because let's face it: We as a society spend an enormous amount of energy and as such, destroy a lot of the planet, on all this entertainment. If we can't accept that as a fact then we're fucking doomed.

Cynicivity,

Fans are very important. I think you may be on to something that we as a society are starting to feel entitled when it comes to media, but downplaying the importance of the fans and saying they don’t matter is a bit too much.

In recent memory I can think of a few examples where fans had a major effect on the entertainment content we received.

The response to the first Sonic trailer was abysmal and much of the internet called them out for Sonic’s design. The studio listened… the artist who designed Sonic’s look even went to Twitter to thank people for all of the feedback. Then they went back, redesigned his look throughout the film and we got a pretty solid film out of that.

The entirety of managed to convince WB to bring Snyder back and let him finish his vision.

I mean even in comics, the fans mattered. How many times have comics held contests or write-ins to vote on decisions for certain characters or directions to take the story. The big one that comes to mind is the death of Jason Todd. People hated his Robin and voted to kill him off. Eventually he was brought back as Red Hood, but none of this would have occurred without the fans.

Oh and who could possibly forget Morbius getting rereleased because Sony mistakenly thought people loved it since there was so much online discussion and memes regarding the movie. For better or worse, fans (consumers) did that.

Itty53, (edited )
@Itty53@kbin.social avatar

There's a difference between choosing and listening to fans (critics) to improve and being made to feel obligated to do so. This society literally harasses people over being upset at fictional portrayals of cartoons. Sometimes harassed right out of their chosen career. Game devs know this very well.

Content creators have no obligations to the consumers of the content, period. No more than Picasso had an obligation to paint landscapes. He didn't care to so he didn't.

Content creators, publishers, etc: they're free to make schlock we don't like, and we're free to express our disdain for it, and I'm free to point out that the folks wasting their energy complaining are indeed, wasting their energy. And cringey to boot. There's a line crossed when you start insisting and making personal commentary at all. A publisher's interests and the fan's interests are not always aligned. That's fine. You can deal with it, I promise. You bring up the snyder cut: Know who probably drove that whole push? The studio. Yeah, every one of those "fans" got played. This kind of shit is unacceptable. Period.

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/justice-league-the-snyder-cut-bots-fans-1384231/

Don't encourage it.

Phrodo_00,

we're free to express our disdain for it, and I'm free to point out that the folks wasting their energy complaining are indeed, wasting their energy complaining are indeed, wasting their energy. And cringey to boot.

Oh, so you're free to complain, but when others do it it's cringey? Got it.

Itty53,
@Itty53@kbin.social avatar

Declaring "I shall not be purchasing [thing] because [reason]" in public is yes, very cringey. You just, don't buy the thing. That's all. No look-at-me-i'm-important declaration necessary.

My complaint isn't the same as that bullshit. Try again.

Veraxus, (edited )
@Veraxus@kbin.social avatar

So... the supply side matters but the demand side does not? Pfft.

If you make a thing that has an established fan base, and the fans are not happy, you screwed up. This isn't a problem with fans, it's a you problem. So how do you NOT screw up? You listen to the fans. Ideally, you hire people who are fans themselves.

Let's analogize: say carrots are in high demand - people can't get enough of them. And you tell everyone you have a big shipment of carrots coming in. And you set up a store called "Jim-Bob's Carrot Emporium", and people are lined up around the block... but it turns out the only thing you sell are potatoes... yeah, people are going to be pissed, and they will be justified, because you sold them a lie.

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