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lowdownfool, w Baldur’s Gate 3 is Causing Some Developers to Panic
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Is there something I can read instead of giving some jackass a view on Youtube?

Goronmon,

To summarize the actual tweets/comments/etc that these videos (there are multiple) are panicking about.

  1. Smaller studios aren't going to be able to replicate the scale and complexity of BG3. So people shouldn't be using BG3 as the bar to compare future titles/RPGs from other studios going forward. Larian is comparable in size (or even larger) to Bethesda when they released Skyrim, and no one has been able to compete directly with Skyrim either.
  2. Not all games and RPGs need to be as complex and long as BG3. Expecting open-ended, 100 hour-long RPGs for every future game/RPG isn't realistic. Not all games require that scope, it's rare to get such a budget for this type of game, and even if you did, most companies won't be able to replicate the game in a meaningful way. Just like how companies other than Rockstar would struggle to replicate the scale of games like GTA and RDR.

There, I've summarized multiple 20 min videos. Just without all the hand-waving and drama.

stopthatgirl7,
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So, I see you definitely didn’t actually watch the video.

Goronmon,

I did, did you?

stopthatgirl7,
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Considering I’m the one who posted it, yes.

Goronmon,

You would be far from the only person who has posted a link to an article/video they have never read/watched.

jeebus,
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It was a pretty good video with a good message. All the more surprising is that it was from IGN.

lowdownfool,
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I prefer not to sit through a 10 minute video for something that requires less than a minute reading time.

Midnitte, w Metro 2033 creator Dmitry Glukhovsky faces eight-year jail sentence if he returns to Russia
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....even though he left Russia some time ago. A Moscow court tried him anyway and found him guilty...

How do you try someone not in the court? Lmao, such a shithole country.

lh,

I mean trials in absentia are super common, including in Western democracies. If you're confident you can prosecute but unable to detain the defendant, then you can still try them without them being physically present.

luthis, w Baldur’s Gate 3 is Causing Some Developers to Panic

I might just buy this at full price even though I don’t have any intention of playing it any time soon, just to show support for a game studio that is still doing it right.

ono, w Baldur’s Gate 3 is Causing Some Developers to Panic

I have no doubt that the game is outstanding, but after seeing headlines like this all week, it really smells like an advertising campaign.

Chozo,

It might be, but what would that change about the story? Unless Larian is paying other studios to say that they're panicking (which I doubt, for a million reasons), then I'm not so sure there's any difference to the situation.

luthis,

Not advertising. These are the Steam reviews. It’s organic hype. It’s just wierd because we have had such a shit time with AAA games for years.

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ono,

Not advertising. These are the Steam reviews.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive, but I hope you’re right.

bionicjoey,

It is actually that good. First game to fully recapture the magic of Dragon Age Origins

Neato,
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Sites like IGN must follow gaming trends to survive. BG3 is a huge release and I've been seeing this story everywhere for weeks, increasing in frequency.

jballs, w Baldur’s Gate 3 is Causing Some Developers to Panic
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Lol dude absolutely tore apart Diablo at the end there.

Diplomjodler, w Baldur’s Gate 3 is Causing Some Developers to Panic

OMG OMG OMG!!! The peasants will expect quality now! We’re doomed! Doomed!

CarolineJohnson,
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Not only quality, but they’ll also expect a released game to be finished at launch!

Poiar,

In my area of business, 'being finished" is a part of “quality”.

I.e., something that’s unfinished, cannot be said to have high quality

Eggyhead,
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…from a developer that disavows micro transactions!

Ronno,
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... proceeds with another yearly installment of game X that could have been released as DLC, but instead built it as "a new game", selling at 1 cent per bug.

thingsiplay, w Ear Candy 2.0: Sweet Sounds for Serious Gamers in 2023!
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    Sorry fella, currently banned from Reddit in 1 day, and currently I’m also experimenting with marketing and blogging, so pardon me. Give me some feedback, I will greatly appreciate it

    spriteblood, w Red Dead Redemption's PS4 And Switch Ports Don't Seem Worth The $50 Price Tag

    I just got the 360 version on Xbox Series for like $10

    Seemed like a pretty good deal

    Dr_Cog, w Top Amazon Deals for Headset in August!
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    Why is this advertisement still here?

    LinkOpensChest_wav,
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    This user has been banned for spam on several instances, but for some reason the kbin mods are sleeping on this.

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    Advertising spam account

    amio, w Insomniac, Blizzard, Obsidian Devs Attack Baldur's Gate 3 Scope, Call it "Rockstar-Like Nonsense"...

    Sounds clickbaity as fuck.

    WarmSoda, w Red Dead Redemption's PS4 And Switch Ports Don't Seem Worth The $50 Price Tag

    Oh Kotaku. What kind of questions are those. If one dlc is the only thing included then no, nothing from the other dlc will be included. Why would you expect any change in graphics, it’s a port. And it’s a port that has to work on the Switch.

    Definitely agree about the price though. I probably would buy it for $30. Fifty is way too much.

    Mongostein, w Red Dead Redemption's PS4 And Switch Ports Don't Seem Worth The $50 Price Tag

    GTA VI is going over budget and they need a quick release to reel in some cash.

    That’s just theory.

    ampersandrew,
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    Or it's Red Dead Redemption, and it costs $50 because plenty of people will pay it.

    Mongostein,

    Those two ideas don’t conflict with each other.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

    No, but they're a public company, and you can see predictable profits from GTA 5. They're not hurting for cash.

    Mongostein,

    I feel like you have exactly the same evidence to support your claim as I do mine: none.

    ampersandrew,
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    You can see their profit and loss statement every quarter with a quick Google.

    dingus, w Dragon Age: Origins walked so Baldur’s Gate 3 could dash
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    I definitely gotta admit, this is one of the most impressive parts of the game to me.

    Having played the original Baldurs Gate and Baldurs Gate 2 by BioWare, its really kind of amazing the depth they’ve given this game, which is arguably very inspired by what was done with Dragon Age Origins (follow ups maybe not so much).

    Except it really is like playing the two original games, just with the ability to get a super close up look at your party, as well as as a high-level overview of the gaming space.

    So far, the game does a stellar job of providing a truly cinematic experience during dialogue exchanges. One of the more recent RPGs that people claimed “set the bar” was Witcher 3, and it had a lot of people gesticulating from the waist up for the most part. So much of the game is so fully detailed, and yet has reasonable system requirements compared to current PC specs. It really is a stunning achievement, and a near perfect follow up to the classics.

    CIWS-30, w Insomniac, Blizzard, Obsidian Devs Attack Baldur's Gate 3 Scope, Call it "Rockstar-Like Nonsense"...

    Nobody really expects RPG's to be as big and deep as BG3, they just want a complete game that works without shitty microtransactions everywhere and always online for no reason. Plus, having interesting characters and storylines, quests that can be solved in more than one way, and gameplay that's actually formed by taking player feedback and listening to it is what people reacted well to, among other things. Baldur's Gate 3 doesn't even have Denuvo!

    If there's one thing that I hope competitors learn from Larian and BG3, it's that respecting your players and giving them what they want leads to success. Similar to Elden Ring and from software, like that video mentioned. Now compare BG3 to Diablo 4 and Immortal, or the upcoming Starfield and you'll see why people love it. It's not about specs or scope, it's about designing a game to be actually FUN.

    ripcord,
    @ripcord@kbin.social avatar

    Wait, what's wrong with the upcoming Starfield?

    Goronmon,

    Nobody really expects RPG's to be as big and deep as BG3...

    Just to warn you, you will now be quoted in a future video about "Social media viciously attacks Larian for games that are too big and too deep!"

    TheRazorX, (edited )

    It's not about specs or scope, it's about designing a game to be actually FUN.

    This is the key point that these publishers and studios are trying to avoid.

    • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on designing microtransaction psychologically manipulative money sinks (dark designs)?
    • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on creating addiction in the player-base so that they keep playing the game (and spending money)?
    • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit DLC (not actual new content)?
    • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit to satisfy shareholders?
    • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on shit the devs don't want, but executives do?
    • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit padding for marketing purposes?
    • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit DRM?

    And keep in mind, by budgets here, I mean both the dollar amount AND time spent by devs that could be spent elsewhere (which is part of the dollar amount since salaries, but I wanted to make it clear that time spent is also important).

    Some of the absolute best games in the industry have literally none of that, and people still want to play and buy them years after release because gasp they're actually fun, but these publishers and devs don't want to compare to those, because they WANT the industry to be a bunch of "GAAS" bullshit that's basically a vacuum pushed into people's wallets, cause hey, if it worked for Candy Crush....

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