Why Unity's New Install Fees Are Spurring Massive Backlash Among Game Developers - IGN angielski

Mawkey, rok temu

Join the Godot Chad's!

4am, rok temu

May your golden parachute have secretly been stuffed with lead you greedy abusive piece of shit. Fuck these bait and switch MBAs.

Luci, rok temu

Just a reminder that other game engines exist. Some are even free and just as powerful, if not more.

geosoco, rok temu

Like godot!

Here's a bunch of other dev related tools link.

static09, rok temu

Also stride!

www.stride3d.net

PeleSpirit, rok temu

Stride looks great, thanks for the link.

Kata1yst, rok temu

And O3DE, formally Amazon Lumberyard / CryEngine

https://o3de.org/

wave_walnut, rok temu

I'm interested in Flax game engine.
https://flaxengine.com/

M500, rok temu

I know nothing about game dev.

Is godot really just as powerful? I’ve heard of it, but I always thought it was for 2d stuff.

dustyData, rok temu (edited rok temu)

It shines in 2D where Unity falters, yes. But it’s perfectly capable of doing 3D competently. It’s shaders and lightning pipelines that are a bit rough on the edges, but that can be overcome with time with more brainpower coming in to contribute. The scripting is also far more robust than the hodgepodge that Unity tries to pass off as C#. The great advantage is that Godot is a non-profit foundation with a transparent governance model. Not a predatory venture capitalist behemoth like Unity.

EnglishMobster, rok temu

Godot is a passable engine. It doesn't have a massive pile of money behind it, but it'll generally do most things adequately.

Honestly - and I may be biased as I'm a AAA dev who works with the engine - Unreal is really the way to go. Reasonable pricing on a powerful engine. The main issue is that it's bloated as hell and there's a learning curve... but if you're an indie, it's just as usable as Unity. Plus if you wanted to get into AAA development someday, Unreal is super popular and used everywhere.

CaptDust, rok temu (edited rok temu)

It’s been really great for 2d, 4.0 made it really good for 3d, and it’s even decent for general GUI applications, as an engine it feels ready for wider adoption to me.

I think it’s not up to Unreal quality, but for the vast majority of indie games I believe it’s enough.

LetMeEatCake, rok temu (edited rok temu)

Unity is Unreal’s biggest marketer now, it seems…

Curious if some of the many internal AAA engines out there might start to get shopped around as a new alternate to UE. Sony, Ubisoft, and Microsoft all have a few in house engines that at least on paper seem viable for branching out — the biggest obstacle would be support, I suspect. Which isn’t a trivial obstacle, to be clear.

idTech is due for a resurgence. Maybe Valve could even get a revival in usage of Source.

Paranomaly, rok temu

I’d love to see Capcom license the RE Engine with how nice and smooth all the games made on that have been

fsxylo, rok temu (edited rok temu)

This doesn’t help people who were already knee deep in a project.

I might invest in some cheap liquor instead.

Enkers, rok temu

Riccitiello also came under fire in 2022 for referring to developers who don’t focus on microtransactions as the “biggest f*cking idiots” before apologizing.

Classic CEO brainrot. There’s more to life than just maximizing profit.

otter, rok temu

Maybe this will be the kick in the rear that gets people to drop them enmasse. I’d definitely explore the other options for any new projects I was starting.

Even if they drop this fee, is it really worth the headache in the future when they try something again?

doctorcrimson, rok temu

No, Unity has always been an inferior engine to others such as Unreal Engine, Lumberyard, Blender, etc. In fact, the Unreal Engine 3 UDK became free well over a decade ago, and it’s basically Unity if Unity weren’t the scummy corporate vampires they’ve always been.

quams69, rok temu

Let’s not pretend Epic aren’t also scummy corporate vampires

dylanTheDeveloper, rok temu

I’m sorry but Blender game engine was pretty cumbersome to use. It was officially dropped awhile ago and last I heard it was picked up by the community

LillyPip, rok temu

In a capitalist oligarchy? There’s really not.

KingThrillgore, rok temu

The aftermath from its main audience, mobile devs, is going to be biblical.

banana_meccanica, rok temu

They must have lost their minds. Bankrupt or even pay Unity back for a successful game you made and finished months ago? I hope they get legal action.

KoboldCoterie, rok temu

Seriously. If they were changing the terms going forward, that’d at least be defensible, but trying to make it apply to everything that’s ever been made is just nonsensical.

Fubarberry, rok temu

Even then it would be pretty bad for a lot of devs. If you’ve been developing a game in unity for years, you can’t just easily change engines just because they’ve changed the rules of using their engine.

KoboldCoterie, rok temu

I agree with you; they’d have to give plenty of notice that the changes were coming and maybe even offer exemptions for developers who can show they were working on something significantly before the announcement… I don’t think there’s any way they could reasonably do it that would avoid all backlash, but this just seems like the absolute worst way to handle it.

4am, rok temu

So they owe devs on all previous installs? Like back payment? Or just going forward if you’ve ever used Unity?

KoboldCoterie, rok temu (edited rok temu)

Any future installs starting on January 1. It does, however, mean that many developers will be more or less forced to pull their games off of storefronts, if it actually goes through. It also means that if you bought a Unity game in the past, you’re costing the developer money every time you install it (again, if this actually goes through - I can’t imagine they won’t backpedal.)

The real issue with this isn’t the policy itself, which I would bet money won’t actually be enacted, but the fact that Unity (thinks they) can just unilaterally and retroactively change their policies. If this actually held up in court, which I think is a tenuous possibility at best (but I am not a lawyer so take that with a grain of salt), it sets an awful, awful precedent.

NotMyOldRedditName, rok temu

If they can change the terms of games already released and ask for a % per install, what’s stopping them from just asking for 100% and saying suck it bitches.

geosoco, rok temu

This article has some new quotes and details. I know we have the other thread going, but this would get buried over there.