Why Unity's New Install Fees Are Spurring Massive Backlash Among Game Developers - IGN angielski

dylanTheDeveloper, rok temu

Suddenly there’s an 150% increase in Dev jobs using Unreal Engine 5

hunt4peas, rok temu

Unity’s CEO must have met with Reddit CEO over a party and after discussion, came to this horrible profit making decision I guess.

AdolfSchmitler, rok temu

Someone in another post mentioned the cuurent Unity CEO was the CEO for EA when it was voted worst company in America… so it kinda explains a lot.

shapis, rok temu

I’ve been using Godot for engineering simulations and I cannot recommend it enough for this one niche.

ott, rok temu

Can someone explain to me why they might have gone with this strange pricing model instead of the very simple revenue sharing model that Epic uses?

sugar_in_your_tea, rok temu

Something something $$$.

But yeah, revenue sharing makes a ton more sense. Maybe have a per-seat option up to $X in revenue, and a revenue percent above that amount.

EnglishMobster, rok temu

Because a lot of mobile games are made in Unity, and mobile has a higher rate of people who install and then uninstall without really playing the game. People also install things by mistake on mobile, thinking they’re something else.

So by charging based on installs, they’re able to squeeze developers a lot more (especially mobile game developers). Competitor engines like Unreal don’t run very well on mobile.

Pxtl, rok temu

Twitter has gotten enshittified. Reddit has gotten enshittified. Now Unity is getting enshittified.

It’s time to learn the lesson: don’t be a sharecropper on somebody else’s property.

Guntrigger, rok temu

I forgot it was John Riccitiello at the helm of Unity these days. That explains a lot.

Also quite interesting that he’s offloaded ~$2mil worth if Unity shares in the past year too

ColdWater, rok temu

Games that use Unity are cringe

mjctechguy, rok temu

L

RandomVideos, rok temu

Good thing i switched from unity to godot a while ago

jdeath, rok temu

i have a couple Unity games that are close to shipping, i think i’ll hold off on that and rewrite in Godot instead. I was already considering it since working with Godot is a thousand times more pleasant than Unity anyway.

weirdo_from_space, rok temu

My hope would be that this encourages open source engine usage but it’ll probably simply make Unreal Engine more popular instead.

FractalsInfinite, rok temu (edited rok temu)

To be fair, while unreal isn’t FOSS, it’s source code is at least openly viewable so devs would find it easier to make easily transferable alternatives

dylanTheDeveloper, rok temu (edited rok temu)

Also if theirs a engine bug you can crack it open and fix it yourself, handy if you’re not a AAA studio who has epic Devs on speed dial. Though I believe you do have to share any code alterations with epic if it’s hosted on a private repo

Dawn, rok temu

I can see why you would think that, but there’s alot of stuff unreal just isn’t that good at, things like 2d games are a massive struggle to work with in unreal, so it’ll gain more popularity, but mainly from devs making 3d games with a focus on high graphics

yokonzo, rok temu

Godot is a pretty good alternative for 2D games

Saledovil, rok temu

I’m confused. I’ve never licensed a game engine, but I figure you’d write what charges you pay into the contract, and as far as I know, you can’t just add additional charges in later without renegotiating the contract. At least, you’d have no way to enforce those. So I’m sort of at a loss how this is even supposed to work.

Mandarbmax, rok temu

The game engine is licensed as a subscription. When January 1st rolls around and the dev’s meed to renew their subscription it will have these new terms. Their options are to accept this or to never update their games again.

Saledovil, rok temu

Makes sense. I hope the unity guys come to their senses. This whole thing seems rather self-destructive on the company’s part. Unity is far from being a monopoly, with one competitor being free and open source (Godot). And pulling stunts like these, even if you walk them back later, does not engender trust.

Mandarbmax, rok temu

For sure. Proprietary software, and especially subscription licensed proprietary software, is a blight.

BubblyMango, rok temu

Oh, but already completed games that dont want to make more updates dont need to pay this fee right?

Mandarbmax, rok temu

As I understand it yes, that is correct.

phoenixz, rok temu

Whoah spez, are you the CEO at Unity now as well? Impressive

LillyPip, rok temu (edited rok temu)

Well fuck me, apparently. The Adobe and Sibelius fees already break me, and I’ve invested enough in Unity assets (not to mention the learning curve) to get a game close to preproduction, and this could drive me out.

I’m a tiny Dev just trying to break into VR, console, and mobile by myself, and am dirt poor with no support, just my knowledge and talent. I’m working on three beta projects, but this makes me scared to continue on Unity.

I’m a good designer and developer with industry experience, but my health has forced me into smaller Indy projects. I put all my eggs in Unity’s basket and now it feels like they’re ditching me just at the point I was ready for production.

God dammit. :(

Justdaveisfine, rok temu

You might wait at least a few weeks before throwing everything down - There’s been a lot of backlash, so much that Unity might walk this back or change it entirely.

moon_matter, rok temu

The problem is they keep changing the license terms every 6-12 months and the changes have always been retroactive. I think they've changed it about once every year for the last 5 years and this year they did it twice. Games often take years to make and that means you might have no idea what the terms are going to be by the time you're ready to release.

So lets say they walk this back. What about next time?

dom, rok temu

It doesn’t seem right that they can retroactively change their terms and just decide you owe them money. I’m guessing this is legal since they are doing it anyways?

moon_matter, rok temu (edited rok temu)

It's really no different than a service upping their subscription fee or a grocery store raising the price of eggs. There's no law that says the price will remain the same forever. You can of course add it to the terms of a contract, but it's at your (in this case Unity's) own discretion.

Here's their Pricing Change FAQ.

dom, rok temu

The main difference is that if you built your product on their platform, you don’t have the option to pick a different vendor for what you’ve already built like you would for subscriptions or eggs. It feels much more akin to extortion to me.

You built your product on their platform and agreed to the terms they set. Thats a level of commitment you put in. Them changing it afterwards is forcing you to agree to new terms that you wouldn’t agree to if you weren’t forced.

If the issue is using their servers, or keeping the runtime code updates, there should at least be the option of self hosting or locking into an older version.

Having said all that, I know very little about vendor contracts and don’t doubt you when you say legally its the same as any other price change. It feels different because of the lack of choice.

LillyPip, rok temu

Yes, this, too. :(

LillyPip, rok temu

Oh, I’ll keep going, for sure! (…with one eye on developments.) But now I also need to prepare contingencies if their licensing goes the way of Avid, Adobe, and most recently Reddit and the bird one.

Something major might have to change and I can’t be blindsided by it, so I have to carve out time to deal with this, anyhow.

doctorcrimson, rok temu

It’s not like nobody warned you Unity was bad, they’ve been hounding developers forever. I’ve personally been warning people to not touch unity and instead use the vastly superior Unreal Engine, ever since the UDK days. This isn’t the fall of Unity, it’s mid descent.

can, rok temu

Kick 'em while they’re down

weirdo_from_space, rok temu

For future projects you may want to consider Godot or Stride. Free and Open Source.

SkyeStarfall, rok temu

Sometimes it seems to me that almost everything that isn’t FOSS/non-profit goes down the shitter these days in the name of profit. It really does feel like the only way to avoid getting fucked over is to completely ditch commercial stuff.

Our world sure does work, eh?

FalseDiamond, rok temu

Stallman was right all along.

SkyeStarfall, rok temu

Yeah, I hope stuff like this shows people the value of FOSS

Skrinkus, rok temu

Jump ship to Musescore and Affinity while you’re at it my friend.

HidingCat, rok temu

Just read some details, it's a monthly fee too? Wouldn't that really screw over single-player games which don't do recurring revenue?

lalo, rok temu

They pushed this change with the always online dev kit. I believe the price change is a smoke screen for the other changes. Soon they might step back on this decision.