azerial,

Awe as a dev this kind of bums me out a little. I wonder that they used for DRM. Those sales go directly to the devs in way of raises and retention.

Granted this is not EA where i worked, but if you enjoy the game, i encourage you to buy it.

Also NOTE: I DO NOT SUPPORT DRM, just the pay checks of the devs as i was one for quite some time.

loudWaterEnjoyer,
@loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You realize this is a forum, actually a whole instance, that centers around piracy, right?

azerial,

Yeah! You also realize this is a group full of intelligent people right? It’s the whole reason why i chose this instance.

loudWaterEnjoyer,
@loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Intelligent enough not to pirate?

azerial,

What do you mean? I’m a contributor to saltbox. Lol

loudWaterEnjoyer,
@loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

What do you mean you’re a saltbox contributor? How does that fit into context?

ZodiacSF1969,

I agree with you, but I think both of us about to be downvoted by these cheapskates lol

azerial,

I’ve thought about this. I think that happened was because of timelines, they released a super early build, fuckin producers.

It’s not the worst thing for an early access game to be cracked, honestly. If the game is has more eyes, that’s great. I am curious about what is out now however.

I am also curious about if the cracked version can be updated with content once the game goes live. Like i have no idea when that is or if it has already happened.

ToxicWaste,

Totally agree on the paycheck. However we need to stop acting like piracy is bad only. Buy the things you really enjoy and support the creator(s).

Back in the days a friend suggested i buy Skyrim and i was like: “Uuh not sure if i want to spend that kind of money on a 2yo game”. But since he was quite a fan, i pirated it. Soon after I bought the LE version and today it is still my most played game.

NGL: i also pirated many things of which i never bought the original version. But because of the bay i also bought some things i most likely wouldn’t have without.

AtomicPurple,
@AtomicPurple@kbin.social avatar

Yup.

I was vaguely interested in Dark Souls for years, but every time I tried, I bounced right off it. I went through a cycle where every year or two, I would pirate one of the souls games, try it out, give up on it after an hour or so, and do it all over again the next time I was sufficiently compelled to give the series another shot. This happened until several years ago when I tried Dark Souls II, and for some reason it finally clicked. I played my pirated copy of Dark Souls II for about 10 hours, before a random crash corrupted my save file.

After that happened, I immediately bought the game on Steam and proceeded to play it for the next month and a half, until I eventually beat it. I've since purchased every souls game plus Elden Ring on Steam, and recently imported a copy of Bloodborne GOTY edition after spending $700 on an exploitable PS5, just so I could play it at 60FPS. None of these legitimate purchases would have ever happened if I hadn't been able to repeatedly pirate Dark Souls for about five years.

azerial,

I don’t think piracy is bad lol i do think mega corporate publishers have bad practices for sure. Like cool, the one i worked for is publicly traded. Awesome. Every action is greed motivated. I hate that.

Every time i loose hope in games i just play undertale and ignore the world. >.>

Blackmist,

I would think that it’s cheap availability on GamePass and likelihood of frequent updates would make for a muted response to this one.

Plus I don’t think it was protected to start with for modding purposes. People will be flying around in Thomas the Tank Engine by the end of next week.

argv_minus_one,

As is Bethesda tradition.

ColeSloth,

For these reasons, I’d rather buy Bethesda games. As a company, they aren’t assholes. I’d hate for them to get bought out by ea or something like all the rest.

DragonTypeWyvern, (edited )

My only beef with them is their complete disregard for QA but, in the end, they’re right.

We’ll do it for them.

Well, and watering down the social commentary in their Fallouts to an absurd degree.

Can’t wait for Fallout 5 to say “AKSHUALLY, it was all China’s fault and capitalism is based and Vault Tec was justified. Join the Brotherhood or die, trash.”

Triangle For Enthusiastic Yes Square For Nod Silently

Blackmist,

Yes, that would be terrible for them to be bought by somebody like MS.

Krackalot,

While you’re absolutely right to point out they have already been bought by Microsoft. I think we can all admit MS has had an unbelievably better track record with acquiring studios than EA.

Celediel,

Pretty low bar you’ve set there…

AntiOutsideAktion,
@AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net avatar

As a company, they aren’t assholes

It’s just locker room sexual assault

unonessun0centomila,

Yes. Paid mods never existed.

Awoo,

I would think that it’s cheap availability on GamePass and likelihood of frequent updates would make for a muted response to this one.

The performance is absolute crap I think everyone should pirate it just to send a message. Like holy crap it’s awful.

Blackmist,

I think I’d rather play something I enjoy instead.

toxictenement,
@toxictenement@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I found an optimized ini file on nexusmods that has the game running real well and still looking pretty good. Good lord though yeah the performance is awful.

iturnedintoanewt, (edited )
@iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee avatar

Hol-eee shit. My GTX 1070 doesn’t meet minimum requirements…and it just won’t boot? Oh wow.

mranachi,

Gamers nexus had gtx 1070 in their starfield performance review, so it can work on a 1070. 30fps on low settings I think though.

argv_minus_one,

Who the hell are they expecting is going to play this game? Only trust fund kids?

ddkman,

Like have you seen hw prices lately? The prices of these class of card simply crashed through the ground. 1070 are very cheap, the rx470-480 is barely sellable trash. A lot of time had passed since the 10series…

argv_minus_one,

Steam system requirements say RX5700 minimum. Recommended is RX6800XT, which was ludicrously expensive last I checked. Also I need a much newer CPU.

In this economy, that’s gonna be a no from me.

dustojnikhummer,

We knew the game would be demanding when MS announced 30FPS only on both consoles. And this time it isn’t a CPU bottleneck

ddkman,

But the 5700 is not an expensive gpu to buy second hand. Cpu asks for an ancient 6core or a 2nd gen ryzen. These aren’t unreasonable specs in 2023. Time has moved on. Sorry.

Mind you I have an ancient 6core and a 1080 class card.

thehellrocc,

Dude, the 1080 came out in 2016, that was just… oh.

Kit,

Adults with jobs?

argv_minus_one,

I’m an adult with a job, and I don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of affording the recommended system requirements for this game any time soon. RX6800XTs do not grow on trees.

Awoo,

It runs like absolute crap. I have a 2070 with i9-12900k and 64gb ram and get 30fps on the LOWEST settings. That’s it.

I run Elden Ring at 120fps and just got done with Armored Core that ran at 144fps rock solid medium settings all the way through without a single blip.

The performance is unbelievably atrocious.

WhyIDie,

I was legitimately impressed at how well AC6 runs on my machine. FromSoftware’s come a long way from the original PC release of dark souls 1

Awoo,

Yeah it runs rock solid. I get the impression FS must have good employee retention and have very good methods for building employee skills, so over time they’ve only improved. On top of hiring and acquiring some of the best staff that must have existed in other Japanese studios. No idea how they actually treat the employees, could be like shit because it’s Japanese work culture, but something about them is producing content that is consistently a cut above everything. They’re getting up there like Rockstar in terms of quality but based in Japan instead of the UK.

HellAwaits,

It’ll burn your house down

darkeox,
leftzero,

If you’ve got windows 10 try updating to 22h2 (no, really; a consequence of Bethesda being acquired by Microsoft, I suspect), and update your GPU drivers.

That got it running on my 980ti, so it should also work with the 1070.

lud,

Or it’s a consequence of the fact that all earlier windows 10 (non enterprise) versions are end of service.

I highly doubt it’s done intentionally. 21H2 probably misses a feature or they just didn’t care about 21H2 because why should they.

iturnedintoanewt,
@iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee avatar

Yeah, I think it’s probably having to do with how Wine/Lutris emulates the Windows version, that makes it think it’s an older version. I’ll try on a real Windows partition…

devious,

Did u try adding it as a non-steam game directly on Steam and not using Lutris? I’ve tried both on my EndeavourOS PC and find that for whatever reason, it runs much better via Steam vs Lutris.

Double_A,
@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The 1070 is the official minimum requirement.

McNasty,

1070Ti

justastranger,

Been trying to run it on an rx480 and it hiccups and crashes so much lol

vagrantprodigy,

Wonder if the cracked version crashes when starting a new game like the steam version does…

beirut_bootleg,

Kill any overlay apps like MSI. Process Explorer can crash it too. Just kill everything. Had this issue with FO76.

vagrantprodigy,

No overlays running, still crashes. I’m seeing quite a few people reporting this online, both with AMD and Nvidia, and of course Intel cards don’t work at all on this game.

Techmaster,

Is anybody on earth stupid enough to buy an Intel GPU?

ObiGynKenobi,

Anyone who wants AC Mirage and Nightingale? Anyone who supports disrupting the duopoly that, driven by corporate greed, has effectively priced the “budget card” out of existence over the last decade? Those 2 are just off the top of my head.

If I was in the market for a GPU, I’d probably buy Intel Battlemage on principle. At least then I can criticize the current state of the GPU industry without being hypocritical.

TheOakTree,

Awful shortsighted of a comment from a self-proclaimed “Techmaster” lol

Techmaster,

Guess I found one.

milkjug,
@milkjug@beehaw.org avatar

Devs: “it works fine on my machine”. At this point games should just come with their own OSes. Or hardware. Hell, ship 'em like arcade boxes.

redditReallySucks,
@redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

“Cracked” meaning having replaced a dll file

TheCaconym,

Exactly; this just needed an emulator like goldberg

Bethesda games usually don’t go for heavy DRM stuff (beyond the basic steam DRM), because it impairs modding (especially injection / nonofficial modding, stuff like SKSE for skyrim)

people_are_cute,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Doom Eternal has Denuvo.

rockhandle,
@rockhandle@lemm.ee avatar

It was developed by ID I believe, bethesda only published the game.

_TK,
@_TK@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz avatar

And is developed by ID software, not Bethesda Game Studios. Bethesda the publisher has different tactics when it comes to games not developed by BGS.

SoloboiNanook,

It had denuvo but the game shipped with a denuvo-less exe so it was “cracked” day 1 lol.

Mighta been the 2016 doom but regardless it was funny lol

Ozzy,

I have to applaud Bethesda for this decision, it is something that is very nice for the end user.

TechnoBabble,

It really is a big move, since it likely cost them millions in early sales.

I probably would have bought it already if I couldn’t find a crack, but now I can pirate and wait for a nice sale.

I’m sure I’m not the only one.

Ozzy,

Tbh what you’re doing is exactly what I did too with Skyrim. Downloaded a crack played for probably 1k hours and then bought it just to play 1k more

totallynotfbi,

They don’t even replace the DLL file for you! After you run the RUNE installer, you have to copy the emulator yourself

TechnoBabble,

You can just click the checkbox for “Copy crack to install directory” to get the installer to do everything for you.

I’m not sure why that isn’t the default.

JasonHears,

I love that pirate groups still use ascii text art in their release notes. It’s like a little piece of the world that hasn’t changed in 30 years.

TheCaconym, (edited )

And still include cheesy mp3s playing too loud in retro-futuristic-looking installers

CosmicApe,
@CosmicApe@kbin.social avatar

The music in the installers is the best part about installing cracks

SaltySalamander,
@SaltySalamander@kbin.social avatar

The track included in the Rune installer for Starfield was actually a banger

EuroNutellaMan,

I need to find out how to make these. Mostly just cause I like it.

TheCaconym,

On Linux, you’ll want to install figlet and toilet (both available in the debian repos)

Alternatively you’ve got this online frontend

If you really want to get weird with it you can also play any video in ascii art through libcaca and mplayer. Looks like this

EuroNutellaMan,

I use Arch btw Endeavour OS so don’t have Debian repos but I will definitely check them out. I especially like the fancy dark mode.

TheCaconym,

I just checked and figlet at least appears to be in the arch repositories as well

EuroNutellaMan,

Thanks, I will check it out tomorrow. I uave used pyfiglet in the past tbf so I figured it woukd be available either via the official repos or the AUR.

Catasaur,

On Linux, you’ll want to install figlet and toilet

I know you’re 100% serious, but this sentence sounds so made up and hilarious

Wilker,
@Wilker@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

it’s typically just a kind of pixel art with monospaced fonts¹. any characters you see that’s not typically shown on your keyboard (e.g a filled square) can be found in a character selection program in your OS. anything else related to texts, templating and line breaks you can probably find a program somewhere on places like crates.io or gitlab or write something of your own without much trouble.

¹ a monospaced font is a font where every letter and character has the same spacing from each other, and are the easiest to do ascii art. (ascii is just one character table, but you can also gather unicode chars all you want)

ComradeLove,
@ComradeLove@hexbear.net avatar

Somehow I expect hackers to do cooler stuff these days. I want hackers to release a Switch version of the game.

adriaan,

It can barely run on a gtx1070 man what kind of black magic do you expect a hacker to cast to make it run on a Switch

mara,
@mara@pawb.social avatar

I love that the installer has a cracktro, that’s the real good stuff.

lustrum,

I bopped to that shit for ages.

nova_ad_vitum,

I pirated a cracked version of Adobe Acrobat Pro recently. First thing I had to crack in years. It had a sketchy crack installer , with music and everything. Like it was back in the 90s. Of course it worked perfectly lol.

violetraven,
@violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Chiptune/tracker/keygen music will all hold a special place in my heart.

azerial,

Oh my too!

loudWaterEnjoyer,
@loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I really like the chip tunes, but I think they are not creating them anymore in the authentic way

Catradora_Stalinism,

Imma wait for the fitgirl repack

Schadrach,

fitgirl repack

Looks like it’s already out.

Catradora_Stalinism,

yass already have it seeded

cows_are_underrated,

Can anyone give me a full guide on how to get this to work on Linux(Arch btw), since I have absolutely no clue on how to do this stuff.

Contend6248,

There are endless guides already written out there, just search for “Lutris” or “Bottles”.

devious,

It’s super easy. I just added it as a non steam game in my library and it worked. It also works on Lutris using a default wine context. I’ve been playing it and I’m on EndeavourOS (Arch)

mara,
@mara@pawb.social avatar

Did you run into a case where a RX5700 was detected as unsupported?

devious,

No I didn’t face that. And I’m running an AMD 5700 XT

iturnedintoanewt,
@iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee avatar

Is RUNE or IGGAMESCOM trustworthy?

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’ve never had a problem with them.

Abraxiel,

Rune is. A lot of people don’t like IGG, but I’ve never had a problem with it. You gotta be good at dealing with ads and such though.

Ilandar,

RUNE cracked Baldur’s Gate 3 recently.

ObiGynKenobi,

Imagine cracking a game that’s already on gog lmao

Distant_Foreground,

Your comment and username have made my day so far.

ObiGynKenobi,

Glad I could brighten your day, friend :) Thanks for sharing

Amir,
@Amir@lemmy.ml avatar

Which is DRM free…

BeeCoffee,
@BeeCoffee@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The amount of leachers are a sight to see

Serinus,

The four day head start thing being bullshit was a good point. But yeah, I’m not likely to pirate an executable any time soon.

BeeCoffee,
@BeeCoffee@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Time and money consuming, new hard drive, install windows, install the exe and check if that wasn’t a malware, or a VM, GPU pass trough, install win and starfield

Serinus,

Yeah, this is probably the way I’d go about it. Dedicated hard drive, separate/no network access, no access to other files. Who cares if it is malware if it can’t get to anything.

KevinDeRodeTovenaar, (edited )

I got installed the game, when i start it steam opens up and give a “no license” prompt

I forgot to tick a box that copies the crack install dir

Abraxiel,

you probably didn’t copy the crack over

mara,
@mara@pawb.social avatar

Install the crack on top of it

ayaya,
@ayaya@lemdro.id avatar

To be fair it’s the exact same bypass as any other Steam game. Any steam emulator would work.

Blxter,
!deleted4407 avatar

Did starfield not have denuvo drm? I thought most Bethesda games did.

harmonea,
@harmonea@kbin.social avatar

Bethesda the publisher does things differently than Bethesda the developer.

As a dev, they know their modding communities keep their games alive long, long past their expiration dates and will fuck with them as little as they possibly can - this takes them from games to household names to legends that everyone knows.

As a publisher pushing products that aren't intended to be modded, they drink the koolaid.

Qualanqui,

I disagree about the publishing side somewhat, every now and then the publishing team hits a home run. Like I’ve been playing Ghostwire: Tokyo recently which is published by Bethesda and it’s a pretty good game, and let’s not forget Prey which was an awesome game also published by Bethesda.

So tbey do get it right sometimes.

harmonea, (edited )
@harmonea@kbin.social avatar

I didn't say they don't make good games. I said they drink the koolaid.

Context matters, and in the context of this thread (whether or not Bethesda games often have Denuvo) that means the anti-piracy "DRM is neat" koolaid (vs them avoiding DRM for self-developed games so they can be modded extensively).

roon,
@roon@lemmy.ml avatar

WTF is/was this comment? It’s killing me lol

Blxter,
!deleted4407 avatar

Lol it was this “lemmy.zip/comment/2283511” /\ Did starfield not have denuvo drm. I thought most Bethesda games did. ", I tried to delete it but obviously not lol.

Melonius,
@Melonius@hexbear.net avatar

The game is kinda meh from what I’ve seen? Any positive impressions?

samus12345, (edited )
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

Still downloading for me, but I see more than one review saying it takes a long time to get good. I’m keeping my expectations low.

EDIT: Glad I was warned it starts slow. It does get better if you stick with it.

EDIT 2: It entertained me for a week. It’s no Skyrim, or even Fallout. I would have been pissed if I’d paid for it.

TechnoBabble,

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  • Techmaster,

    So it’s more Destiny than No Man’s Sky.

    leftzero,

    Best comparison I’ve heard (by Gopher, if I recall correctly) is Outer Worlds, but less silly, and bigger by several orders of magnitude.

    Techmaster,

    Yeah Outer Worlds was awesome but very limited. So limited that it almost felt linear.

    Awoo, (edited )

    Starfield really does look and run great.

    Run great? Absolutely not.

    I get 120fps in Elden Ring at medium, 2070, 64gb ram, i9-12900k.

    Just got done with Armored Core, rock solid 144fps at medium all the way through, never a blip.

    This runs at 30fps on lowest settings. It runs like absolute crap. It’s incredibly jarring to go from games that are gorgeous and well made with high performance to this thing running like something 20 years ago. Absolutely zero optimisation.

    It will get a seriously negative response from the average pc user when user reviews start hitting due to this performance.

    ryepunk,

    The most positive I’ve heard is that it is a by the numbers Bethesda rpg game. It doesn’t try to be anything more. If you liked fallout 4 and skyrim odds are you’ll like this.

    PraiseTheSoup,

    What if I liked FO3 and New Vegas and hated FO4?

    thisbenzingring,

    Then you have good taste in games.

    Qwaffle_waffle,

    What if I liked Fallout 76?

    thisbenzingring,

    Nobody’s perfect.

    fox,

    FO3 was kind of a disaster in terms of narrative and roleplay. And the established world building.

    Kir,
    @Kir@feddit.it avatar

    Then you are objectively right

    leftzero,

    They got rid of the dialogue wheel and went back to a list of options (influenced by character background / skills), so at least there’s that, I suppose.

    OptimusPrimeRib,
    @OptimusPrimeRib@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I’ve heard nothing but good things about gameplay. But it runs like shit on most systems. A RTX 3080 at 1440p ultra can’t get 60 fps in cities.

    FxSoap,
    @FxSoap@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Is there a torrent somewhere…?

    _TK,
    @_TK@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz avatar

    resources in the Megathread link pinned to the community can lead you there.

    Blxter,
    !deleted4407 avatar

    Did starfield not have denuvo drm. I thought most Bethesda games did.

    Entropy,

    None of them do. It would fuck with people’s ability to make mods for them.

    Blxter,
    !deleted4407 avatar

    True. I guess I thought that because “ghost wire Tokyo” and “redfall” do. But makes sense for a game like starfield to not

    wolfshadowheart,
    @wolfshadowheart@kbin.social avatar

    Bethesda is a publisher as well which explains that

    Entropy,

    Yeah those games are only published by Bethesda, not developed. Their in house games never have DRM, unless you count steam.

    Rayspekt,

    redfall

    Best copyright protection for Redfall is that the game is shit and nobody wants to play it.

    AtomicPurple,
    @AtomicPurple@kbin.social avatar

    Which sucks, because Arkane was one of my favorite developers before the quality of their output fell off over the past five years. I loved the Dishonored games, and Prey is the single best immersive sim ever made. I was looking forward to DeathLoop, but it ended up being kinda meh, and Redfall has been so universally panned that I haven't even bothered to try it.

    Holzkohlen,

    I read that most of the people working there were kinda just hoping it would get canceled eventually. The game industry is so normal and fine.

    dustojnikhummer,

    Those aren’t BGS games. Bethesda that developes =/= bethesda that publishes. The latter likes DRM

    dustojnikhummer,

    Not necessairly (well, goodbye to Starfield Script Extender in that case). But I think it’s more that Gamebryo can’t integrate Denuvo lol

    argv_minus_one,

    It would also be unplayably slow. Bethesda games aren’t known for performance even without Denuvo slowing them down.

    dustojnikhummer,

    Lets not pretend that there aren’t Denuvo games without performance issues…

    argv_minus_one,

    Unless I’m mistaken, Denuvo constantly encrypts and decrypts everything in the process’ memory, including executable code, in order to conceal it. There is no way to do that without massive performance overhead.

    dustojnikhummer,

    There are uncracked Denuvo games to this day that don’t have performance issues. Not everyone is incompetent in implementing it. That doesn’t mean I’m defending it (but Reddit/Lemmy will like to take any sort of non-attack as defense sooooo), I’m just saying that there are Denuvo games that don’t suffer performance issues.

    argv_minus_one,

    Now imagine how fast they’d be without Denuvo.

    hexaflexagonbear,
    @hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net avatar

    Steam/windows store drm it seems.

    dustojnikhummer,

    Bethesda Game Studios games don’t have DRM like Denuvo. BGS and Bethesda Softworks are two different entities. ID, MachineGames and other Zenimax studios tend to have DRM, not BGS.

    On the other hand, didn’t Denuvo come out after Fallout 4 launched? So what would they even protect, 76?

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

    No, Denuvo was first used in Sept. 2014 and Fallout 4 came out Nov. 2015.

    dustojnikhummer,

    Why did you start with No?

    leftzero,

    “Didn’t Denuvo come out after Fallout 4 launched?”

    No, it came out a bit more than a year earlier.”

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