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Pxtl, do games w This is Microsoft’s new disc-less Xbox Series X design with a new gyro controller
@Pxtl@lemmy.ca avatar

Does this mean we’ll finally get decent gyro support in PC gaming?

curiousaur,

Tell me you don’t have a steam controller without telling me you don’t have a steam controller.

whygohomie,

Steam controller is in its own league, but hell, even the PS and Nintendo controllers have supported gyro control through steam for quite awhile. The Xbox controller is finally advancing past 2003, and into the modern era.

Pxtl, (edited )
@Pxtl@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m more talking about API level. There isn’t a proper standard operating-system-level interface in Windows for gyro, so 3rd party controllers don’t have it, so it’s not really a thing in Windows/Xbox-first games.

This will raise the floor so every gamepad will be expected to have gyro.

primarybelief, do games w This is Microsoft’s new disc-less Xbox Series X design with a new gyro controller

2 TB seems incredibly limited for a disc-less design. 4 TB would be more suitable for a base flagship model.

Corkyskog,
@Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works avatar

Disc’s haven’t seemed to matter in a while. “Pop in this game to download 35GB of game data” “download complete, please download 12GB update before playing game” “update complete, do you have code for expansion pack?, if so please download these 3 7-9GB updates” *phew only a tenth of a TB later I am playing the game

kadu, do games w This is Microsoft’s new disc-less Xbox Series X design with a new controller
@kadu@lemmy.world avatar

I’m super interested in the new controller.

I got the 8bitdo ultimate and deeply regret buying it, so now I’m back to my Series S controller.

lazycouchpotato,
@lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world avatar

I’m guessing you’re talking about the wired version that works with the Xbox console? What made you not like it?

I have the 8bitdo Pro 2 which I use with my phone and iPad. Aside from the rubber wearing out on the thumbsticks, I’m happy with it.

Stovetop, do games w This is Microsoft’s new disc-less Xbox Series X design with a new controller

So they are going for the Apple trashcan look, is that it?

pirrrrrrrr,

It looks like my Ubiquity Amplifi router.

They even used the word Ubiquity when discribing the new controller features.

The home entertainment unit is going to be covered in cylinders.

lowleveldata, do gaming w Microsoft addresses the huge Xbox leaks: here’s Phil Spencer’s full memo

“Our plans have evolved… We now want to buy both Nintendo and Sony.”

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

We were not ready to fully reveal our plan of monopolizing gaming quite yet.

comicallycluttered,

“Fools! This isn’t even our final form!”

hesusingthespiritbomb, do games w Microsoft addresses the huge Xbox leaks: here’s Phil Spencer’s full memo

Honestly if you read the actual email I think there could be significant legal trouble ahead.

Spencer talks about how the main barrier to acquiring Nintendo is that they sit on a mountain of cash. He calls that unfortunate. He then proceeded to state a company with connections to Microsoft had just bought a lot of Nintendo shares, and how they could work with said company to make such an acquisition a reality.

The company in question publicly bought a massive amount of Nintendo shares. They then proceeded to pressure Nintendo to invest more capital instead of sitting on the cash pile they have now. They did this under claims that such a move would be beneficial to Nintendo in terms of ROI. However, it would also result in Nintendo being more vulnerable to an acquisition from Microsoft if any of those bets don’t pay off.

In short, it could be argued that Microsoft worked with investors to tank Nintendo so they could buy it. That’s a huge deal and will probably result in a shitstorm.

Goronmon,

In short, it could be argued that Microsoft worked with investors to tank Nintendo so they could buy it. That’s a huge deal and will probably result in a shitstorm.

I mean, Nintendo selling shares of their company is a specific decision they have made. Do you think they are confused that people other than Nintendo employees are buying these shares? Or that the investors would have an agenda other than just being "Nintendo fans"?

hesusingthespiritbomb,

Investors generally want to get a positive ROI. They don’t want to tank the company to the point where it can be acquired by another company for pennies on the dollar.

Look at Nokia. When they hired a former Microsoft exec, they weren’t expecting him to tank the entire company so it could be acquired by Microsoft.

Goronmon,

The term "activist investor" exists for a reason. And nothing from that email suggests that MS was looking to "tank" Nintendo in some nefarious plot.

ILikeBoobies, do gaming w The Elder Scrolls VI will skip PS5 and isn’t coming until at least 2026

That puts it at “at least” 15 years after the last entry in the series

Hard to imagine it will have much of a fan base

d3Xt3r,

But Bethesda could very well release a Skyrim Extra Special Edition in the interim, and fans will lap it up, no doubt. Jokes aside, there are many large fan-projects in the works which fans are looking forward to, such such as OpenMW, Skyblivion and Skywind, not to mention more “normal” mods for Skyrim itself, so I doubt the interest in the franchise is going away any time soon.

millie,

To be fair, Baldur’s Gate 1 and 2 came out in the 90s.

ILikeBoobies,

I would have attributed it’s success to the success of Divinity and DnD

MomoTimeToDie, (edited ) do games w This is Microsoft’s new disc-less Xbox Series X design with a new gyro controller

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  • Appoxo,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Haptic feedback has everyone. How does it differ in any form from other controllers.
    Pretty sure only the Switch and PS5 Controllers have something unique to vibration motors

    sugar_in_your_tea,

    I’m pretty sure they’re talking about the gyro, which Sony and Nintendo have had since the previous generation.

    Appoxo,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Gyro is imo a bit of a gimmick.
    Same as the adaptive triggers from the PS5 and the HD rumble from the switch and the Kinect from the Xbox 360/One.

    They are all pretty cool but how many devs will actually implement it?
    HD rumble: Sure, there are party games but those are 1st party (usually) and what purpose do they offer besides the few haptic feedbacks?
    Adaptive trigger: I see two options. Racing or Archery. Maybe the odd platformer.
    Kinect: Basically a Wiimote and a WiiFit - the scale. It had a few neat titles but basically useless unless you like the swish around in the dashboard.

    So what purpose does the gyro serves outside of more expensive hardware the majority of devs will not utilize. Am I really missing out on something?

    SatyrSack,

    Gyro aiming makes a huge difference, and as long as the OS or whatever supports it, game developers have to do nothing extra to support it.

    Appoxo,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I have a SteamDeck…Maybe I should try it at least.
    But I honestly can’t see myself using it with something like Halo Infinite or Doom Eternal.

    But true: If the OS does itbas a full implementation, no extra work.

    SatyrSack,

    Those are exactly the types of games that most benefit from gyro controls. You still use the right joystick to look around like normal, but then you also have gyro to make fine adjustments on top of that.

    PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

    Wrong.

    MomoTimeToDie,

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  • SatyrSack,

    Ouya

    MomoTimeToDie,

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  • PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

    Goalposts moved.

    ninjan, do games w This is Microsoft’s new disc-less Xbox Series X design with a new gyro controller

    I hate flowery language like “now adorably all digital”. What the fuck is adorable about it being all digital?

    Zeus,

    the same way that removing a headphone jack is courageous, i guess

    dependencyInjection,

    I mean based on the backlash one could argue it was courageous no?

    Zeus,

    yeah i guess i can’t argue with that…

    stopthatgirl7,
    !deleted7120 avatar

    Y’know, I can’t think of a lot of adjectives to use for “all digital,” but “adorably” sure af is not one of them.

    PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

    Then you have Steam.

    Player2,

    You’re not stuck to only Steam on a computer, whereas you are stuck on a console

    PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

    What the fuck are you even trying to say?

    Steam is entirely digital only.

    Player2, (edited )

    Yeah. But guess what, you can buy a disk drive. You can install another game launcher. You can even pir-[removed].

    There are inherently more options on PC than there are on a console.

    CmdrShepard,

    I think it’s a reference to it’s smaller size.

    ninjan,

    Then go “now smaller, adorable, and all digital” or something that doesn’t sound completely daft.

    LaggyKar, do games w This is Microsoft’s new disc-less Xbox Series X design with a new gyro controller
    @LaggyKar@programming.dev avatar

    I hope it actually has gyros, so XBOX can finally get gyro aim. I don’t play on XBOX, but maybe support for that in XBOX controllers would make devs more inclined to support it. But the document only mentions an accelerometer.

    Also, what’s up with controllers dropping face button colors? The PS5 did the same thing.

    hikaru755, (edited )
    @hikaru755@feddit.de avatar

    Also, what’s up with controllers dropping face button colors? The PS5 did the same thing.

    From an aesthetic standpoint it just looks better^1 , and by now gaming consoles are so Mainstream that the additional accessibility the colors offer is not a good enough reason to keep them anymore.

    ^1 subjective, of course, but if you look at modern, big corporate design a lot of it is trending towards minimalism, very little use of color, etc.

    NocturnalMorning, do games w Microsoft addresses the huge Xbox leaks: here’s Phil Spencer’s full memo

    So they’re sorry people didn’t like the idea? Is that the message?

    Blaiz0r,

    And “please ignore the content of the documents and instead, hey look Starfield is great right!?”

    GunnarRunnar,

    And funnily enough Starfield being Xbox/PC exclusive is an example why their hoarding is bad for gaming, and why the Activision deal shouldn't pass.

    TheEntity,

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  • GunnarRunnar, (edited )

    Why do people behave as if Starfield was the first game not released on PlayStation?

    Who is doing that? It's just blatantly obvious that it would've been released on PlayStation without Microsoft meddling and their games sell a shitload, I mean Skyrim has been chugging along over a decade now. So I'm not really sure how Starfield is irrelevant to Ms buying shit conversation.

    It's not what being an exclusive means (let not get into linguistics here, I mean strictly the gaming industry term). I agree this specific case was anticompetitive but framing it as an exclusive just weakens this point in my opinion and allows to shift the debate away from it.

    Away from what? Everyone knows what it means -- or maybe I don't, please enlighten me in that case.

    TheEntity,

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  • GunnarRunnar, (edited )

    It's more like a default platform seeing as even former PlayStation exclusives are slowly getting a PC release as well. And I did call Starfield Xbox/PC exclusive, not just Xbox.

    It's probably not the word to describe what's getting released where and stems from marketing but it's commonly used in gaming so most understand its meaning.

    LostMyRedditLogin,

    PC is another of MS’s platforms with Windows. No shit they’re ok with their games being released on it when consumers are paying over a $100 for a Windows license every few years.

    HidingCat, do games w Microsoft’s Phil Spencer says acquiring Nintendo would be ‘a career moment’

    I don't really like Nintendo's stuff that much, but really, that would be a bad outcome for the gaming industry as a whole.

    fckreddit,

    Microsoft will just turn Nintendo into another dumb acquisition and the timeless quality of the Nintendo games would be lost forever.

    UrLogicFails, do gaming w Microsoft addresses the huge Xbox leaks: here’s Phil Spencer’s full memo

    I do find it a little interesting that Phil Spencer is ignoring the content of the leaks and instead just focusing on the fact the documents are out of date. I would imagine the contents of the leaks are likely still pretty close to accurate, even if plans have changed a little, as a result.

    I also wonder if Xbox will use the reaction to the leaks to determine potential changes going forward (ie: reactions to the console being all digital, reactions to the next gen console processor, etc).

    navi,
    @navi@lemmy.tespia.org avatar

    This was an internal email, not a PR comment.

    Jagermo,

    Ideally, you would have internal PR and crisis comms draft such a mailing, because you plan that it gets leaked. He probably saw it once to sign off on, but it was writen by comms.

    Source: this is textbook crisis pr

    NekomimiNebula,
    @NekomimiNebula@beehaw.org avatar

    You generally don’t want to confirm leaks as being true, so you’ll either not say anything about it (this was an internal memo, not a public post) or you’ll say something along the lines of “These things are subject to change and don’t reflect the final product”

    SenorBolsa,
    @SenorBolsa@beehaw.org avatar

    I also wonder if Xbox will use the reaction to the leaks to determine potential changes going forward (ie: reactions to the console being all digital, reactions to the next gen console processor, etc).

    Almost certainly, make lemonade and all that, it can be very valuable feedback it just wouldn’t have been worth telegraphing your 5 year plan.

    CaptainEffort, (edited ) do games w Microsoft addresses the huge Xbox leaks: here’s Phil Spencer’s full memo

    and even discussions about acquiring Nintendo.

    Ew wtf? We’re truly headed towards a future where Microsoft just owns everything huh?

    echo64, (edited )
    • June 11, 2018 Ninja Theory
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    “headed”. if it wasn’t for them being scared about the activision blizzard deal not being hand waved through like it was, there wouldn’t have been the 2020-2022 pause too. that’ll get right back on track now. Microsoft does deals for acquisitions in feb targetting june for completion normally so about then.

    Viking_Hippie,

    Imagine having specific months every year where you prepare to break and then break (if not the letter then definitely the spirit of) antitrust laws and most people either don’t know or pretend that there’s nothing wrong with it 🤬

    stopthatgirl7,
    !deleted7120 avatar

    June lines up with the end of fiscal quarter 2, so it kind of makes sense.

    Viking_Hippie,

    Yeah, it isn’t the logic of the timing I take issue with lol. Thanks for the reminder though 🙂

    GunnarRunnar,

    So I don't remember where but I'd heard about Microsoft wanting to buy Nintendo long time ago. The suits are always spitballing.

    stopthatgirl7,
    !deleted7120 avatar

    They made an offer like 20 years ago and got laughed out of the room.

    MeanEYE,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    Am not sure EC would let that one slide as they really like multiple companies competing for same slice of market. That way everyone benefits. Microsoft was already kicked in the teeth for Office and browsers back in the day for trying to dominate the market.

    MossBear,

    To quote Picard, “The line must be drawn here! This far! No further!”

    woelkchen, do games w The Elder Scrolls VI will skip PS5 and isn’t coming until at least 2026
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    We as Microsoft are the bastion of cross-platform releases. Our games run on Xbox and Windows.

    dumdum666,

    I don‘t support Microsoft in any way but it is kinda funny that some PlayStation Users seem to feel personally attacked that Microsoft starts to do all the exclusivity shit that Sony has done for ages. Quit treating the whole thing as a team thing - a my team vs. that other team thing. Sony AND Microsoft are companies that will both fuck you over within the blink of an eye if it will make them money or damage the other company.

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    I don‘t support Microsoft in any way but it is kinda funny that some PlayStation Users seem to feel personally attacked that Microsoft starts to do all the exclusivity shit that Sony has done for ages. Quit treating the whole thing as a team thing - a my team vs. that other team thing.

    I don’t even own a PlayStation so why should I quit anything? In fact, I’m a PC gamer running Windows. I can make my dumb jokes as often as I like and when I want to make fun of the fact that both Microsoft and Bethesda claimed before the acquisition that it was not about removing cross-platform support for Bethesda games and Microsoft also claims to “❤️ Linux”, you cannot stop me, even if you’d like to.

    I also find it hilarious that Microsoft apologists claim that “that Sony has done the same for ages” which is factually untrue. Sony hardly ever bought cross-platform games in-house for PlayStation exclusivity (maybe the would of they had enough spare money but they don’t). Sony also releases plenty of games for Microsoft platforms, including MLB The Show, Horizon, Spider-Man, Ratchet and Clank, God of War, etc. Heck, the recently announced Marathon reboot is confirmed to come to Xbox and not just PlayStation and Microsoft Windows. Much of my PC gaming in recent years was spent playing Sony games on Windows.

    Corkyskog,
    @Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I bought a PS5 because my old XBone was on the fritz, and the series x wasn’t available at the time… plus hardware failure from the Xbone made me lean towards Sony anyway. Hard-core console gamers also helped push me into it as well… “who cares about Halo, you will be able to play all the good games on either console”.

    I have no team, and now I kind of regret even buying a console at all, it’s only real feature for me is it has a fast boot up time lol. Every other article about a new game seems to be a kick in the nuts to console owners.

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Every other article about a new game seems to be a kick in the nuts to console owners.

    Get a Steam Deck and every game release is a thrill ride of will the game run fine.

    (Honestly, I love my Deck and stopped playing most AAA games because they annoy the fuck out of me with padding for length and ads for DLC and such.)

    Corkyskog,
    @Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works avatar

    What’s the benefit of Steam deck vs something like Ally ROG? Genuine question, I have no horse in the race. (I can’t even find as much time as I wished to game in my free time at home, I am definitely not going to spend book reading time on subpar gaming)

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Ease of use. Windows on such a small screen is not much fun. For more details, look up some of the plenty comparisons on YouTube.

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