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_haha_oh_wow_, do games w Counter Strike 2 is surprisingly awful on Steam Deck right now
@_haha_oh_wow_@kbin.social avatar

I would totally expect that because controller, but I hadn't considered the specs.

priapus, do games w Counter Strike 2 is surprisingly awful on Steam Deck right now

The shaders should be compiled in advance, did the author skip the shader compilation when launching?

CaptDust,

I’m not sure if it’s every game but I don’t recall ever seeing my deck compile shaders, I thought it just downloaded them

Skwerls,

I believe you’re correct, because they know the exact hardware they don’t need to be compiled for each device unlike how PCs come on every version imaginable.

jayandp,

You can disable that feature, and some people do because they get tired of the constant downloads and shaders taking up space for games they haven’t even played yet.

priapus,

I have definitely seen my deck compile shaders, however I assume it downloads them if they are available. If you launch a game that uses proton for the first time while offline, you should see it compile.

sznio,

CS2 just doesn’t precompile shaders. The game just shits itself running on AMD because of that.

The shader cache itself is also broken and gets reset by the game on every restart.

Olissipo,
@Olissipo@programming.dev avatar

I’m running a 6700XT and weirdly enough it pre-compiled in Linux but not in Windows.

It’s really stuttery for a while in Windows, with low GPU usage and erratic frequency, until it normalizes.

I’m getting none of that in Linux, smooth from the start in-game. Only getting some weird fps fluctuation in the start menu.

priapus,

CS2 compiles shaders on my desktop. It does so every time it updates. Also, why would this make the game worse on AMD? Afaik RADV supports VK_EXT_graphics_pipeline_library, just like Nvidia. Shader compilation performance should be similar between them.

Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow, do games w Counter Strike 2 is surprisingly awful on Steam Deck right now

Fucking embarrassing for Valve, what the fuck is going on over there? This is like Nintendo launching a Mario game that doesn’t boot.

tdawg,

Pretty sure they haven’t been prioritizing their own games for a decade now

AdmiralShat,

…it’s a competitive shooter it’s not targeting handhelds.

Ashe,

On a dockable PC, with full peripheral support. I travel for work, and could get set up where I go to play decent comp games. Now I can’t. It’s not common for me to have the time, but I know it’s not that unique of a situation.

I peaked LE and stayed around MGE for reference.

Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow,

Literally irrelevant

AdmiralShat,

“Game not targeting handheld hardware doesn’t run on handheld hardware”

AdmiralShat, (edited ) do games w Counter Strike 2 is surprisingly awful on Steam Deck right now

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  • Kolanaki,
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    Can you not connect a mouse and keyboard to the deck?

    AdmiralShat,

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  • kattenluik,

    The only way people should play is MY way! Get out of here computer-with-attached-controls users, you’re worthless and not welcome!

    AdmiralShat,

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  • kattenluik,

    Anything can be suboptimal hardware, the Steam Deck is no different from any other computer and does not even have to be a handheld.

    And I do not play or own a Steam Deck or alike, if that concerns you. Accept other peoples hardware and ways to play, it’s a whole lot easier than whatever you’re doing.

    baked_tea,

    The size of screen is a huge disadvantage by itself

    Kolanaki,
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    Can it not output the display to, say, a TV?

    The thing could be a budget gaming PC for some people. Most people are not going to be competing super hard; they just want to play the game and have fun. Who else would be taking up the bronze and silver brackets?

    ChronosWing,

    Yes, they sell a dock just for this purpose.

    sugar_in_your_tea,

    And pretty much any USBC dock will work as well.

    BolexForSoup,
    @BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

    4K output. Peripheral/mouse and keyboard support. It’s a PC.

    sturmblast,

    you can

    theonyltruemupf,

    Steam Deck is not limited to handheld, you can hook it up to a desk setup with USB -C. Also, I used to play CSGO handheld. I’m in the low silvers even on PC and it doesn’t make a big difference to me skill wise. You can be really precise with trackpad + gyroscope.

    noobnarski,

    You might have enough time to aim with a trackpad in silver, thats definetly not the case in higher ranks.

    Takumidesh,

    You can plug a mouse into a steam deck, dork.

    BolexForSoup,
    @BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

    Not everyone is trying to go pro lol

    candle_lighter,
    @candle_lighter@lemmy.ml avatar

    Gyro is easily comparable to using a mouse

    AdmiralShat,

    Not according to literally every test ever done on it. It always falls behind far enough to not be viable competitively

    candle_lighter,
    @candle_lighter@lemmy.ml avatar

    I think you live in an alternate universe and also have never tried it

    AdmiralShat,

    Ive owned a steam controller for several years and regularly use gyro aim in many games that aren’t competitive.

    But again, it’s still behind a traditional mouse as far as accuracy. There are tons of videos on this, even aim training software has data about this.

    MrLuemasG,

    Dang it’s a good thing people don’t play games for fun otherwise you might actually have a point, doofus

    sturmblast,

    it literally is a computer smart guy

    AdmiralShat,

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  • loutr,
    @loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

    And a USB-C port, and native support for KBM.

    AdmiralShat,

    On handheld hardware

    BolexForSoup, (edited )
    @BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

    sadfasfasfasdf

    ChaoticEntropy,
    @ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

    “Comp” as in competitive.

    Hawk,

    If you bought a compatible game that suddenly updates to be unusable on your platform, I think that’s a big issue…

    AdmiralShat,

    Csgo was free

    OrekiWoof,

    For some time only. It was paid before and after to access ranked

    pineapplelover,

    What if they wanna play custom hide and seek maps? Doesn’t have to be just competitive matches.

    Kolanaki,
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    Per your edit:

    Anyone else remember when “competitive shooter” also implied it could be run on a fucking potato with decent speeds? Or that competitive games aren’t still meant to be played for fun by the vast majority of people who are gonna be playing?

    It’s not targeted exclusively towards professionals, is it?

    Kocher, do games w Counter Strike 2 is surprisingly awful on Steam Deck right now

    It runs surprisingly well hooked up to a monitor using keyboard and mouse. It’s not beautiful or high FPS z but it’s playable. Only issue I am facing is that I don’t see fog or fire unless I am standing inside. I can just see through it.

    TopRamenBinLaden,

    You can just see through the smoke grenades? That’s wild.

    candle_lighter, do games w Counter Strike 2 is surprisingly awful on Steam Deck right now
    @candle_lighter@lemmy.ml avatar

    Is anyone else having issues with the game not allowing you to use any input except the left stick

    XTornado,

    It’s the new PRO Gamer mode.

    TopRamenBinLaden,

    I can’t imagine trying to play CS on the sticks, and apparently Valve’s QA team couldn’t either.

    tehmics, do games w Counter Strike 2 is surprisingly awful on Steam Deck right now

    Well there’s a reason it’s not a verified game. Valve is rightfully not targeting the steam deck for it because the gameplay experience wouldn’t be good. If you want to still play it that’s on you but I don’t blame them for not supporting it. It shows that they are serious about cs this time, imo

    Secret300,

    I like to play all my games on the deck and just dock it for shooters. If they were serious about cs this time they’d optimize it. A lot of people including me still have PC’s less powerful than the deck. Plus a competitive game needs to be optimized well enough to run smoothly.

    tehmics,

    That’s not the target usecase for the deck or for cs2. It’s cool that it’s possible and really showcases how flexible and capable the deck is, but valve has no obligation to support or optimize for it.

    Cs2 is quite optimized for a typical Windows gaming PC, aka the target platform. I get well over 300fps on my midrange build. Valve is putting a lot of extra work into proton configurations to get Windows games working well out of the box on the deck, it’s perfectly fine that they haven’t done that specific work for the deck yet, if at all.

    I’m sorry to say but you’re an outlier. Most people with decks aren’t typically docking them, and even less are docking them as a desktop replacement. For me it’s a portable with the flexibility of easy couch coop but I never want to have to use a mouse and keyboard on it.

    Controlling scope of supported systems to ones that are most commonly used is the smartest thing they could do. There’s a reason cs2 isn’t supporting consoles this time around and it’s telegraphing great things for the game this time. They aren’t making the same mistakes they had to correct with cs:go on launch.

    Gabu,

    CS2 was rushed as fuck, they totally could have optimized it further. Also,

    Most people with decks aren’t typically docking them

    Where did you get this data?

    woelkchen, do games w Counter Strike 2 is surprisingly awful on Steam Deck right now
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    I tried CS2 on my Deck after the update. I only tried against bots on Italy but found that given the hardware, it ran surprisingly OK. 40 FPS with default settings. Obviously the controls are not so great. I’ve read somewhere later that resetting Steam Input for this game to defaults is required but didn’t know that at the time.

    Btw I played with the Deck on a stand and my left hand on the controller part while my right hand held a Bluetooth mouse.

    sugar_in_your_tea,

    Is that… comfortable? That sounds like a really awkward way to play. Any reason you didn’t do all in on the controller or keyboard+mouse?

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Is that… comfortable? That sounds like a really awkward way to play.

    It was kinda OK. It actually had the benefit of analog movement as compared to WASD. Biggest downside was the small screen.

    Any reason you didn’t do all in on the controller or keyboard+mouse?

    The game did not seem to work with controller only and forced me to use the trackpads and I cannot play FPS games with just a controller anyway. As for why no keyboard, the answer is simple: I was too lazy to get up and get my BT keyboard and my USB C dock (all my Deck accessories are stored in a dedicated bag).

    netburnr, do games w Command and Conquer successor reveals an exciting addition from C&C’s past
    @netburnr@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s the music composer

    Saved you the click.

    Blamemeta, do games w Redfall doesn’t have enough Steam players to fill a team

    I kinda feel bad for some that worked on it. Theres places with passion, but a lot of it is just lazy bullshit.

    Zangoose,
    @Zangoose@lemmy.world avatar

    To a degree I’d say this applies to anyone that works on a game except upper management. With games like these the devs/artists are almost always the passionate ones trying to put their best effort into their games but end up forced into incredibly condensed timescales by upper management.

    BurningnnTree, do games w Redfall doesn’t have enough Steam players to fill a team

    Technically not true because Redfall is cross-platform with Xbox. Also it doesn’t have matchmaking anyway

    lustyargonian, do games w Redfall doesn’t have enough Steam players to fill a team

    F

    snooggums,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    F

    tal, do games w Redfall doesn’t have enough Steam players to fill a team
    @tal@lemmy.today avatar

    Redfall studio job listing indicates returning focus to single-player

    A job listing for Redfall studio Arkane Austin appears to indicate that the Dishonored and Deathloop studio could be returning to single-player games soon.

    Honestly, the proliferation of widely-available Internet access and the fact that multiplayer games can be harder to pirate has, IMHO, tilted things a bit overly towards multiplayer games. That’s not to say that multiplayer games can’t be fun, but there is a lot to like about single-player games.

    • They don’t go away forever once the player base drops off.
    • On the PC, modding provides for a lot of life for many games. Modding competitive multiplayer games tends to run into issues with people cheating.
    • More-broadly, it’s not a problem if someone cheats in a single-player game, but it’s usually a problem for single-player, so all the anti-cheat infrastructure has to come along in multiplayer games.
    • For competitive multiplayer games, providing an even playing field is important, so using a controller with more buttons tied to game functions – a nice quality-of-life improvement – becomes a problwm, whereas it’s fine in single-player games.
    • Single-player games can be played offline.
    • Single-player games don’t have issues with connectivity interruptions.
    • While it’s true that playing against or with a human can be a good way to provide “AI” for other characters, humans aren’t getting better at filling that role, whereas the advance of computing power and software improvement permits for games to have better AI. I still feel like there’s a lot of room for improvement, but most first-person shooters have drastically more-interesting enemy AI than they did in the 1990s, and the technology isn’t going to generally go downhill. If someone makes a good “AI engine”, then many games benefit from improvement.
    • Single-player games are normally free to let the player pause what’s going on and deal with things In The Real World. If you’ve got an infant who needs their diaper to be changed, say, it’s not an issue. Multiplayer doesn’t generally deal so well with that.
    • It’s not as bad with centrally-controlled servers, which is the norm these days, but multiplayer games do have security concerns – you’re letting random other people affect your computer via software that probably isn’t very well-hardened.
    maynarkh,

    I also think single player games tend to be much better on the narrative, immersion and storytelling side.

    PlzGivHugs, do games w Meta Quest 3 demand allegedly 5 million units below expected level

    I’m not suprised. On one hand, there wasn’t exactly a lot of marketing around it. I didn’t even know it was announced until last week, and I follow gaming news and some VR news. On top of this, its an expensive, casual device - the sort of thing a kid will ask for after seeing someone else using it, not something people are lining up day-one to buy. At least something like the Valve Index, for all its disadvantages, very clearly targets enthusiasts who will go out of their way to seek out newer or better products. If Valve decided to release a Valve Index 2 (or for a more direct comparison, a Valve Index Pro) I’d be willing to bet their day-one numbers would look better, even if their overall market is much smaller.

    InEnduringGrowStrong, do games w Meta Quest 3 demand allegedly 5 million units below expected level
    @InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Yea, there’s no way I’m strapping Facebook to my forehead.
    VR is nice, but Meta can suck it.

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