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Quazatron, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks
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Regarding difficulty: I’ve lived through the 80’s, where difficulty was ramped up to make the game last longer, as you only had precious few kilobytes to fill with content. I’ve grown to hate difficult games.

It is your right as creator to go that way if you wish, but it is my right as player to hate your guts if I buy your game and it kills me over and over again in the first minutes.

qweertz,
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If you dislike impressionist art, would you still go to a museum exhibition on that topic and then get angry at the curators?

Quazatron,
@Quazatron@lemmy.world avatar

If it is clear that the topic is Impressionist art, I would not go. If I buy the ticket to see Expressionism and get Impressionism instead, I would fell upset.

(Actually, I’d go either way, I love art)

Kolanaki, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Difficulty is subjective. Creating multiple levels of difficulty either takes tremendous effort to do well or, as is the case with most games, an adjustment to some numbers that is less an increase/decrease in difficulty and more an increase/decrease to the tediousness of combat.

Puzzle games with difficulty settings alter the complexity of the puzzles. Action games can alter the encounters themselves (how many, of what kind of enemies and their placement in the arena), or even changing the enemy behavior to be more/less complex. Yet this kind of difficulty adjustment isn’t common at all anymore.

ExtraMedicated, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks

I haven’t played this yet, so I don’t know anything about what difficulty settings it may or may not have But in general, I see difficulty settings as an accessibility feature.

I liked the way that Ender Magnolia did it, where, at a save point, you could adjust several settings to customize the difficulty. I was able to temporarily make it slightly easier just for a few bosses that I lost my patience for.

Coelacanth,
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Mandragora had the exact same difficulty system, you could adjust enemy HP, Damage and even Stamina cost at every bonfire. Great accessibility feature.

Djehngo, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks

I think we don’t have enough language to talk about difficulty in a productive way.

You could keep all the boss mechanics the same in a game but add a 1 minute unstoppable cut scene at the start and the game is “more difficult” because it takes you longer to learn boss patterns and experiment with different strategies. But that feels very different to narrowing the windows to react or expanding the move set of a boss which feels different again to changing the values so you need to grind more/fewer levels or resources to pass it.

“Runback too long” and “git gud” sound a lot like people talking past eachother, but maybe thats just an artifact of the journalist reporting rather than the discussion itself

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

they are related and compound each other. it’s harder to “git gud” if you have to do a bunch of runbacks too.

Cybersteel,
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Add an easy mode just half the boss health and damage. Easy fixed

PonyOfWar, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks

I like the game, but I definitely think it deserves some criticism. I really don’t get the thinking behind not placing a bench directly in front of every boss arena. The run-backs don’t make the game harder, just more frustrating. It’s also something I disliked in older Souls games, but thankfully they realized the problem and fixed it in Elden Ring. And some mechanics are just baffling, like benches that are locked behind a paywall, which you have to pay every time you want to access the bench. Why on earth would they do this, with currency already being as sparse as it is?

Sirence,

The paid one time bench thing etc is for a narrative reason, the main point of the story as far as I played is about the church scamming people on every occasion. Money won’t be an issue once you reach act 2, I always have more money then I can spend even after buying out all merchants I’ve seen.

As for no benches in front of bosses it’s to discourage throwing yourself at the boss without reflecting on where to improve. The long runs I saw people complain about also were mostly like 2 screens. Worst bossrun so far was probably the judge which was only like 2 screens when you think about it.

I really enjoy the game so far, I’m about half way through act 2 I’d say so maybe it gets super hard later, but right now I think it’s very balanced between a bit challenging but not frustrating. I do feel that the game was created with players like me in mind, someone who did all pantheon, steal soul mode as well as all achievements in hk but is a little bit rusty from the long wait.

dukatos,

As for no benches in front of bosses it’s to discourage throwing yourself at the boss without reflecting on where to improve.

I like self reflection, especially when I died 10th time from the same boss… Self reflection like why I am torturing myself with this shit?

simple, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks
@simple@piefed.social avatar

I'm in act 2 and while Im in love with the game, I can agree. The game could be impossible for people who aren't already very good at platformers. Benches are very sparse and money is always an issue. I hope Team Cherry make the game more reasonable through updates.

Coelacanth,
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I have no idea what people were expecting to be honest. Hollow Knight was already known for being an extremely difficult game with punishing anti-fun elements like runbacks and corpse runs. Which game had everyone played that got them so hyped for Silksong?

There’s a reason I stayed away from HK, and I will be staying away from Silksong too. Game looks great but I won’t be able to beat it and I won’t have any fun failing to do so.

simple,
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I think the big difference is that HK had a smooth difficulty curve as you slowly unlock new abilities. Silksong by comparison picks up where HK left off and is immediately hard which makes it hard to approach for new players. Early game areas feel as hard as late game areas from the first game. That's throwing everybody off who is either new to the franchise or hasn't played Hollow Knight since it came out checks notes 8 years ago

NoneOfUrBusiness,

Early game areas feel as hard as late game areas from the first game.

Are you sure about that? It's been a while since I played Hollow Knight, but other than Hunter's Marsh I think Sillksong has been comparable to or slightly harder than equivalent parts of the Hollow Knight. The enemies are tougher, but you also get more tools to deal with them so it evens out. Mostly thinking of the projectiles here, but the mobility difference also can't be understated; you can abuse dash attacks in Silksong in a way you never could in Hollow Knight. Also I haven't quite (or at all really) gotten the hang of it but the game might've been designed with parrying in mind, which would allow you to avoid a lot of damage because many of the harder enemies are warrior types.

simple,
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Are you sure about that?

Ya, Hollow Knight's first areas like forgotten crossroads and greenpath were a lot easier. There werent any mechanics you have to worry about other than jumping and attacking, and most enemies you faced just walk slowly towards you. Bosses were also fairly straightforward.

By comparison Silksong has you fighting tougher enemies that could deal 2x damage, and quick bosses right off the bat like Bell Beast which kills you in 3 hits. Healing taking your entire bar also makes platforming more difficult because newbies will often be low HP and not have enough silk to heal.

Yes, Hornet is way faster and stronger than the knight but that kinda assumes you're good at dashing and pogo jumping, which many people fail at in the start.

Deathgl0be, do games w Microsoft Still Can't Say How Much the ROG Xbox Ally X Will Cost Due to "Macro-Economic" Conditions, Despite Announcing Release Date and Availability Details(Leaked prices $549.99/$899 for Ally/Ally )

Excuse my observation but this is just a Rog Ally with Xbox sticker on it no? Besides that are we just using Xbox label to call things Xbox now ? I guess I don’t get the originality of this

million,
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It’s a little confusing because of things shifting around but my understanding is that this the launch of Microsoft’s debloated and handheld gaming targeted version of Windows. Basically they saw what a better experience SteamOS was and realized it was a problem.

noobdoomguy8658,
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Microsoft’s debloated

Hehe.

I think it’s actually the opposite, as they claimed to have optimised it for gaming with interface and QOL catered to the purpose. That’s more bloat when Microsoft does it.

defuse959,

I’m not a MS fanboy (incredibly far from it) but your comment sparked a vision in my head of an immutable variant of LTSC/iot that function liked a Debian or arch base with vendors building x window interfaces on top of it i(the name is already there). interfaces that are hardware or platform specific (e.g. here’s your Ubisoft skin, here’s your Epic Skin, etc…).

If only we lived in a tech utopia instead of… whatever the fuck the mba’s have spent the last few decades shitting out.

I hate having thoughts of utopia in an orphan crushing world.

jellygoose, do gaming w Battlefield 6 - Official Multiplayer Gameplay Reveal Trailer - IGN

I swear we’ll have full destruction this time guys!!!

They seem to forget they had the technology actually working in Bad Company 2…

WhatGodIsMadeOf, do gaming w Battlefield 6 - Official Multiplayer Gameplay Reveal Trailer - IGN

Bruh we’re about to be doing this irl… And not even for our selves but for the people that own us.

Ciderpunk, do gaming w Battlefield 6 - Official Multiplayer Gameplay Reveal Trailer - IGN

I dunno, it literally just looks like a mod for BF3 or BF4. Which would have been fine for just a graphics update and some QoL improvements back in the day, but now all this will be is a Skinner box designed to force you to buy as many microtransactions as possible… Which begs the question of why bother playing this when you could just play BF4 which seems pretty similar but won’t be harassing you endlessly to give EA more money?

0li0li,

That’s how I see it too. Having fun with BF2142 and BF3 playing with bots. I have no intention of giving them money for this expensive online-only spinoff.

icylobster, do games w Monster Hunter Wilds Endgame Expansion Moved Up as Game Suffers From 'Soft' Sales

The way they use the term ‘expansion’ in the article confused me. They are just talking about how the free content updates have been moved to be sooner than originally planned. They aren’t taking about DLC or an entire paid expansion.

It’s probably good the content comes out sooner seeing as how many lose interest at the current drip feed if content. I wish they would fix the games actual problems though. Or even just the hardware issues.

Megaman_EXE, do gaming w The Elder Scrolls Online Dev's Unannounced MMO Was Doing Well and Even Scaling Up as Xbox Cancelation Blindsided Staff

If I had to take a wild guess, it’s higher-ups sacking employees to get a quick payday.

Microsoft keeps buying up dev teams, promising games, and then prevents games from releasing. I have been questioning their desire to make future consoles, to be honest. It seems like they’re trying to focus on gamepass and maneuvering out of the console market. Especially with their new handheld being made by a different company.

echodot, do games w MindsEye Developer Build a Rocket Boy Begins Layoff Process Amid Disastrous Launch, Studio Sources Say

How the hell do they even have 100 employees to fire? The game is basically a UE5 demo project.

FreeBooteR69, do games w Chrono Odyssey: 17-Minute Gameplay Walkthrough
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This looks pretty good. Hope the game-play lives up to its looks.

Phen, do nintendo w Nintendo Fans Surprised to Find Switch 2 Edition Game Cartridges Also Work on Switch 1

Nintendo fan surprised to have been surprised in a positive way.

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