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Rose, do games w Here Are The Six GOTY Nominees For The Game Awards 2023

I get that Baldur’s Gate 3 is a great game and I have no reason to dispute that, but its presence in any category this year leaves no chance for the rest, making the nominations pointless.

Waker, (edited )

If it’s that good or deserves to be awarded, no?

I get what you mean but, what do you suggest? Not praising it?

Rose,

Praising it but leaving room for the rest as well. Otherwise what’s good about watching the ceremony? There’s no excitement when everything feels predetermined.

Waker,

No one said the rest aren’t good in some areas but if BG3 is clearly the winner then why pretend it’s not?

I just don’t watch the ceremony I guess… I just see the results afterwards

Ilflish,

Thoughts like this are why AW2 only has one entry for performance. I’d much rather a game that excels gets many nominations then hand out pity nominations to get everyone pleased

vonxylofon,

Nomination itself is a kind of a prize. Yes, BG3 will probably win everything, but that’s what happens if it’s really that good at everything. LotR won 11 Oscars because it was better than all the other contenders that year, but the nominations mean they were recognised as good enough to go against the winner.

Red_October, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

So he’s suggesting AAA games be about $5-$10 right?

itslilith, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

Oh God, Factorio will cost me my life savings

v81,

Oh shit… I thought the $/hr was a good idea until you mentioned Factorio.

PieMePlenty, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

Awesome proposal. Some indie games would suck me dry and I’d be paying 1/4 of the price for AAA releases! Is this the redistribution of wealth Marx has been talking about?

WereCat, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

€200 for Vampire Survivors?

VonCesaw,

not enough tbh

Rentlar, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

If it was a dollar an hour, then GTAV would be $1208…

But of course, TV AFKing took up a solid chunk of this time… because of forced waiting periods. Sooooo combine a pay-to-play per hour model and forced waiting periods then you’ve got MTX “Shark cards” with extra annoying steps.

SkepticalButOpenMinded, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

By that logic, imagine how much a soccer ball will cost!

madcaesar,

♾️💵‼️

Mnemnosyne, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

I’ve put in 2000+ hours on Civilization IV, Stellaris, and Skyrim, and 1000+ on several other titles. So, since I could quite happily never purchase another game again, and simply play those games until I die, let’s use them as our baseline for what the cost should be, shall we? Assuming they cost $120 each (maybe a little low on Stellaris when you count all the DLC, and definitely high on Civ IV) I’ve played each of them for about 2,000 hours…that means I should expect to pay $0.06 per hour. Heck, let’s be generous! Let’s count Stellaris, with ALL of its DLC, at the price it currently is, without being on sale (except for one that’s at 10% off. I’ve bought most of the DLC on various sales of at least 30% off, but let’s try pricing all games as though they cost this much. That’s about $335. Which still comes out to $0.16 an hour. Not bad, I’ll take it!

Granted, since most games don’t hold me for 2,000 hours, most games aren’t going to get that much out of me. I sometimes buy new games at a $60 to $70 price point. So, the average game would have to hold me for 375 hours in order to make the same amount I pay for it now. Which means in my entire Steam library, there are a mere 12 games that would reach that threshold of getting equal or greater than the $60 I’m willing to occasionally pay these days.

I’m all for it! Most of my games would drop considerably in price, even at $0.16 an hour!

rip_art_bell, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour
@rip_art_bell@lemmy.world avatar

Factorio would cost me $370

DrDickHandler,

I bought it for my friends because I felt bad having only payed 20$ to the devs for thousands of hours of content.

Donkter,

Don’t talk to Dota 2, counterstrike, valorant or league of legends players.

Inb4 anyone mentions the hundreds of other game I didn’t mention.

Bgugi,

Hey, what about the hundreds of other games you didn’t mention?

Donkter,

Inb4

RGB3x3, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

Honestly, if I get a 30 minutes to an hour of quality play time per dollar, it’s worth the cost to me.

That seems fair. People pay way more per hour for movies in the theater and other entertainment all the time.

AgentGrimstone, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

Wellllll I think it should be priced by how much I enjoy it. Make a great game, get paid bookoo bucks! Make a shitty game, you get what you deserve.

maniacal_gaff,

Wouldn’t that be covered by the proposal? Make a shitty game and I’ll barely play it.

AgentGrimstone,

There are holes in my comment but just trust me.

Snapz, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour
@Snapz@lemmy.world avatar

You want us to subsidize all of the microtransactions and equivalent online bullshit to turn on your money machine. Strip all that horseshit away, give us good single player ONLY and you’ll be doing just fine.

“CROSSING GUARD, WEARING SOLID GOLD HEAD-TO-TOE ARMOR, SAYS CROSSING GUARDS AGENT BEING PAID ENOUGH TO DO THEIR CRITICAL WORK!”

GeneralEmergency, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

The same thought pattern gamers have had for years.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

And it’s always been a bad one, because not all time spent playing a game is equal in value.

people_are_cute,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Case study: Literally every Ubisoft game in the late '10s and '20s

Fades, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

Spoole has finally been vindicated

Princeali311, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

Man, did any of you read the article?

“Zelnick is admitting that even though maybe this should be the case, that because of the nature of the market, there simply cannot be a pricing model like that, and the move to $70 recently is sort of the maximum they can hope for.”

Blackmist,

There absolutely can be a market like that. We’re in a digital utopia where we don’t actually own anything. You could even have a cutoff, where playing more doesn’t charge you more. Gamers might even accept that, in a weird way. You rent it per hour up to 70 hours, and then you just “own” it.

But I suspect most of his stats show that there’s a huge number of people out there who will spend $70 on a game on day one, play it for 10 hours and never touch it again. RDR2 for example has a 30% completion rate on PSN. 31% didn’t even finish the first chapter. And he certainly doesn’t want to say goodbye to that money.

I don’t want a market like that because it will lead to even more time-wasting and busywork in games than there already is. But maybe that would backfire. If you played 10 hours of a game and it was mostly trudging about doing nothing, would you pay to play more of it?

people_are_cute,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

there simply cannot be a pricing model like that

Microtransactions? Battle passes? Episodic releases? Is the guy purposefully playing dumb?

Hobo,

Goes further back than that. In the late 90s early 2000s basically all 3 of the MMOs on the market were subscription models (Ultima, Everquest, and Warcraft are the ones that spring to my mind). Essentially a pay per time scheme where if you were playing the game you paid for it monthly.

This guy is just so far down the modern game industry rabbit hole he forgot that it wasn’t as profitable as the soul sucking microtransaction/whaling hellscape that’s become the norm.

beefcat,
@beefcat@lemmy.world avatar

This is Lemmy, nobody reads the article. They just react to the headline they know is cherry picked and find a way to work it into whatever circlejerk suits their fancy.

RaoulDook, (edited )

I’m still not going to buy games at $70. I don’t care enough about their BS to pay that much.

Plenty of great games in the $20 to $30 market all day long. I’ve put a few hundred hours into a handful of games that were that cheap over the last few months and have bought zero $50+ games. [EDIT: I did buy Zelda TOTK for $50, correction]

For example, I would like to buy Armored Core 6 but I’m not going to pay the “discounted” price of $53 that it’s available at now. I can wait until it’s further discounted, while I play lots of other games that I already have.

Wahots,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

I bought the new Zelda game for $70, and while fun, didn’t feel worth $70. I won’t be paying $70 anymore. Most games just can’t put out the value required unless they actually build the game from the ground up with a phenomenal story, good replayability and (optional) co-op.

You guys are competing against Deep Rock Galactic, Baldur’s Gate 3, Subnautica, Battlefield 1, Risk Of Rain 2 / Risk of Rain Returns, and many other total gems. If you aren’t beating those high standards, you can’t charge $70.

RaoulDook,

I actually did buy the new Zelda but I waited until I found it on sale for $50 a few weeks after launch. It was a temporary deal but I knew it would likely be the best price on TOTK for a long time given the trend of high prices staying high for Switch games. My kid and I are still playing it so it was worth the high price considering the market status quo.

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