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REDACTED, do games w The Video-Game Industry Has a Problem: There Are Too Many Games

This isn’t a problem. For the first time in a very long time, I actually have a queue of games I want to play and din’t just mindlessly scroll steam store or wait for big releases. In fact, I no longer follow game releases, there is something at any given time I can find to play

itztalal, do games w The Video-Game Industry Has a Problem: There Are Too Many Games

I’ve recognized there’s enough digital entertainment to last me for the rest of my life.

Anyone I see who is constantly playing the newest thing is a loser that is consumed by consumption.

verdi, do games w The Video-Game Industry Has a Problem: There Are Too Many Games

Statistically, if more than half of a random sample of steam games are rated to be good, the standards for evaluation are shit.

And the people that were supposed to let us know if a game is good or not, the “professionals”, have a median score around ~75% according to open critic data, otherwise they wouldn’t have a job because sponsors would gfo.

We’re on our own shifting through a pile of de facto shovelware to find anything of worth nowadays.

It’s a problem not exclusive to games, mind you. Music, scientific publishing and other content for profit industries have the exact same issue: Vetting quality requires work so for profit institutions offload the vetting to the user.

yermaw,

Oh well, ill just stick to forums to find out about quality games.

Tap for spoilerSurprise, dickbag! Its all guerilla marketing!

ampersandrew,
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The things getting reviewed already have a selection bias that makes them more likely to review well. It’s not a problem that reviewers focus their time on the games that their audience is most interested in, as opposed to reviewing every asset flip published to Steam.

verdi,

I’m sure Kane and Lynch are audience favorites. No reason not to think only the best games get reviewed and thus, shifting the mean 25% in the favor of the companies that just so happen to be the ones paying for advertising. It’s more likely outlets, on average, only review good games, that sounds more reasonable.

ampersandrew,
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It does shift review coverage, generally, toward the ones with the most advertising. Kane & Lynch is a weird one to pull out to support your argument, because despite the advertising, they got fairly poor reviews. (Also, as someone who’s played Kane & Lynch, those games are underrated.) The games with the big advertising budgets typically have a degree of confidence behind that spend, which again creates selection bias toward games more likely to review well, but that doesn’t mean that Redfall and Suicide Squad still can’t happen and review poorly.

verdi,

It does shift review coverage, generally, toward the ones with the most advertising

but that doesn’t mean that Redfall and Suicide Squad still can’t happen and review poorly

Thank you for arguing in my favour. Both Redfall and Suicide Squad reviewed well above 50%. For people on Lemmy arguing about statistics it’s obvious the mean is shifted so anything around 75% is mediocre, however, to the average consumer, that is not the case. Furthermore, I mentioned Kane and Lynch because that game was the reason giant bomb exists and everyone nowadays knows big publishers strong-arm outlets.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Above 50%, but do you have any idea how much lower the bar can be for a bad video game than Redfall and Suicide Squad? Those are the games that typically aren’t getting coverage. Redfall and Suicide Squad, again, had some confidence behind them. When that much money is thrown behind a game and there’s no confidence in it, it usually doesn’t even come out.

verdi,

I’m sorry, I refuse to continue engaging with bad faith arguments.

Have a nice day.

devolution, do games w The Video-Game Industry Has a Problem: There Are Too Many Games
@devolution@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t finished half of my backlog because I’m mainly playing Fallout 76 and No Man’s Sky. I don’t have time to play every game I want just like I do not have time to watch every show on TV.

Tigeroovy, do games w Xbox Drops Work on ‘Contraband’ Video Game After Four Years

And these fuckers were trying to “celebrate” the Rare anniversary on social media recently like they didn’t just cancel Perfect Dark and have done nothing with any of the other properties in years.

SomethingBurger,

C’mon, they haven’t done nothing. They asked Nintendo to put Banjo and Kazooie in Smash!

someacnt, do games w ‘Subnautica 2’ Leaders Say Krafton Sabotaged Game Over Payout [new events in the Subnautica 2 story]

The moment I saw Subnautica 2 is being published by Krafton, I knew it will be dead on the crib. Average Korean game company behavior.

Elkot, do games w Players Have Too Many Options to Spend $80 on a Video Game

I still have so many games I’ve picked up on Steam sales that I’ll happily wait for those $80 games to go on sale while going through my back catalogue

DicJacobus, do games w Players Have Too Many Options to Spend $80 on a Video Game

Bruh it’s 2025 and I’m still on a spin cycle of mostly 10 years old or more games

GreenKnight23, do games w Players Have Too Many Options to Spend $80 on a Video Game

yes, because the real problem is too much choice.

fuckin finbro bullshit.

I remember paying $10 for an Atari game. I know it’s not a great comparison, but I got hundreds if not thousands of hours of gameplay out of Qbert. Can any of the leading games in the last decade do that?

It’s funny I mention Atari. They had so many games to play. the choices you had were bonkers. best part was you could take your carts to a friends house and trade or share.

can’t do that today since most games are digital downloads that need 32gb day-0 updates.

perhaps the problem isn’t the gamers, but instead it’s the greedy corporate interests that are poisoning the game industry requesting $80 single owner games.

rumba,

$10 in q-bert days is like 50-60 now :)

Can any of the leading games in the last decade do that?

Satisfactory, Dyson Sphere project, Factorio, Minecraft, Dreamlight Valley

Arcade games were great because it’s what we had. Sit a kid in front a Q-Bert now and try to get 1000 hours out of it.

Stuff is getting too big, there’s too much emphasis on making it pretty to sell it rather than making it fun, but I don’t know that we could go back to arcade games. I fear our nostalgia is a half-dose of Stockholm’s syndrome.

wellheh,

$50-60 based on what? Adjusted for inflation in 1982, it’s more like $33 and distribution costs are way lower than back then. Truth is you just need to find a compelling gameplay loop but companies don’t like taking risks- not every game needs to be a massive endeavor like skyrim. Look at games like slay the spire and see how a cheap game can be compelling without having to be a AAA behemoth. And at that note, is there even anything wrong if a game only takes your attention for a hundred hours? I don’t see the need to extend the player’s attention with poor side quest grinding. These things add unnecessary cost

rumba,

The $10 games were trash in 1982. You’re going to spend 30 on something like Q-bert polygon.com/…/atari-et-ads-commercials-videos-198…

www.usinflationcalculator.com

in 2025 Money, that’s $99, assuming you got it used I gave you 50-60

is there even anything wrong if a game only takes your attention for a hundred hours

I don’t think so, but you’re the one who mentioned it :)

but I got hundreds if not thousands of hours of gameplay out of Qbert. Can any of the leading games in the last decade do that?

wellheh,

Wow, shift goalposts much? You said “$10 in qbert days” which was the 80s and now it’s not $10 it’s $30. You can just admit you got it wrong and it was never $10 (though I do think prices right now are actually well aligned at $60 because of the far lower costs in distribution and marketing). Also I’m NOT the OP who played thousands of hours on qbert. Great job quoting someone else.

NikkiDimes,

I don’t disagree with you, but there’s no way you have thousands of hours in Qbert. Even hundreds is impressive.

MufinMcFlufin,

The other thing is that there was simply fewer games back then so you either continue to play the good games you own or you don’t play games. I loved Ocarina of Time, but I’m not going to pretend it was God’s gift to mankind just because I played it tons in my youth. I played it tons in my youth because it was one of the best games that I owned, and even then I had plenty more options than I’m sure this person had on the Atari for good games

GreenKnight23,

I was a poor farm kid and winters were long.

I was still playing our Atari 2600 when the PS2 launched.

NikkiDimes,

Daaamn haha. Fair enough.

Krudler,

That really dramatically takes the steam out of your argument though.

If the same conditions for you existed today, any modern game would blow qbert out of the water, and indeed you would put thousands of hours into it.

Also, Atari games were $20 when they were new not 10. So with inflation it’s about the same as an $80 game today.

ThatFirey, do games w Warner Bros. Cancels Planned ‘Hogwarts Legacy’ Game Expansion

Only would buy if Rowling wasn’t around to receive the money from that, for now, only piracy

JusticeForPorygon, do games w Roblox Is Fighting to Keep Pedophiles Away and Not Always Winning
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world avatar

Lare they fighting now? Last I heard they were outright refusing to.

altima_neo, do gaming w GameStop Set to Jump as Keith Gill Post Shows $116 Million Bet
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💎👐

penquin, do gaming w Bloomberg - Microsoft’s Xbox Is Planning More Cuts After Studio Closings

Why are they “cost cutting”? Are they going broke or something?

WalnutLum, do gaming w Bloomberg - Microsoft’s Xbox Is Planning More Cuts After Studio Closings

Why are they targeting Zenimax so heavily, don’t they have 50 other acquisitions they can suck the blood from

Hdcase,

Give it a year. Thankfully Toys for Bob was able to buy themselves out, otherwise surely they would have either been shut down or put to work in the Call of Duty mines.

CosmicCleric, (edited ) do games w Take-Two Interactive shuts down the Studios behind Kerbal Space Program and Rollerdrome
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FlihpFlorp,

Was that supposed an anti paywall link or something

Eeyore_Syndrome,
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Seems like a broken signature hyperlink to me.

CosmicCleric, (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Seems like a broken signature hyperlink to me.

Nope, it works.

Edit: By “it works” I mean the link can be clicked on. If the formatting looks wrong, check to see if the client you are using supports subscript/superscript fonts.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

subignition,
@subignition@fedia.io avatar

From Mbin, it looks struck through, lol

CosmicCleric, (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

From Mbin, it looks struck through, lol

Its formatted properly, per Lemmy’s web page.

Its using subscript/superscript fonts, so you might want to double-check if your client is supporting those fonts properly or not.

Subscript: subscript ~subscript~
Superscript: ^superscript^ ^superscript^

If the above does not display correctly, you need to talk to the devs of the client that you are using. I’m using the Lemmy web client.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

subignition,
@subignition@fedia.io avatar

Looks like Lemmy has decided to use a flavor of Markdown which is inconsistent from Mbin's. That's a shame.

CosmicCleric, (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Looks like Lemmy has decided to use a flavor of Markdown which is inconsistent from Mbin’s. That’s a shame.

Weirdly enough, different Lemmy Android clients for Lemmy also work differently with the scripts formatting, each having their own quirks. One person though did fix their problem by upgrading their client app to the latest version.

I had thought it was all one single standard, when first started using the formatting. My original intent was just to have a smaller font, as I was at first just using the link format without any subscripting, but people were complaining about that, so I was trying to compromise and make it smaller.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

Halosheep,

Would a link to a license on a comment will prevent someone from using your comments in a data model? I have doubts.

CosmicCleric, (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Was that supposed an anti paywall link or something

Nope. Its a Creative Comments license for my comment.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

FlihpFlorp,

For any particular reason?

CosmicCleric, (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

For any particular reason?

I get that question asked frequently, so I’ll just point you to this comment from me, which explains. …

lemmy.world/comment/9744090

Otherwise, the description of the link is sufficient to get an idea of what its about.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

TachyonTele,

If most of your comments are defending the link that everyone is laughing at, you might just want to ditch it.

SchmidtGenetics,

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  • TachyonTele,

    Probably. Nice catch

    SlothMama,

    That isn’t how anything works. This is like those people on Facebook posting their voodoo chainmail posts about their comments and profiles. You don’t own your comments to transfer a license in the first place.

    CosmicCleric, (edited )
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    You don’t own your comments to transfer a license in the first place.

    Are you a lawyer? You have some citation to back that up?

    https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

    TachyonTele,

    Are YOU a lawyer?

    CosmicCleric,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Are YOU a lawyer?

    I am an excellent shower singer.

    Now, if you are done trying to avoid the question, lets try again. I’m really curious as to your citation. …

    You don’t own your comments to transfer a license in the first place.

    Are you a lawyer? You have some citation to back that up?

    I know that you are incorrect, but I’m willing to hear your evidence to the contrary. ??

    https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

    TachyonTele, (edited )

    You truly have no idea what you’re talking about. Multiple times now you haven’t even been able to grasp something as stupidly simple as different people talking to you.

    You sir, are a moron.

    It must be a strange feeling to be the current laughing stock of Lemmy right now. I hope you’re able to learn from this.

    CosmicCleric,
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  • TachyonTele, (edited )

    I’m not the same person you dimwit. You’re combining multiple people’s comments.

    How do you want me to backup that you’re not a lawyer? It’s pretty obvious you’re not. Shit, you can’t even comprehend cause and effect.

    CosmicCleric, (edited )
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not the same person you dimwit

    Fair enough. I’m getting broadsided from many people, easy to lose track, especially multi-comments later down in the stack.

    But, you’re still breaking rule 2.

    https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

    TachyonTele,

    Then try not being so goddamn stupid Lol what a joke

    Stop attention seeking with your useless link, for one. Them you won’t have to worry about “getting broadsided” by everyone else that knows better.

    AtariDump,

    He thinks it’ll actually do something.

    It will not.

    What is the Anti Commercial-Al license and why do people keep adding it to their comments?

    “I DO NOT GRANT PERMISSION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT TO READ THIS COMMENT. ANY USE OF THIS COMMENT BY LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR ANY REASON IS ILLEGAL. THIS COMMENT CANNOT BE USED AS EVIDENCE AGAINST ANY NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONS IN RELATION TO ANY CRIME.”

    Hawk,

    Like I told you before. That’s not a link to the license, the page itself says so!

    CosmicCleric, (edited )
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Like I told you before. That’s not a link to the license, the page itself says so!

    Thats the canonical version of the license.

    The legal version is linked directly from there, as well as here.

    My declaring my comments as licensed by CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 means its licensed. Its your responsibility to read the full license to comply, not mine.

    https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

    Hawk,

    Aha, so you actually read it? Thanks for clarifying.

    So you didn’t reach the conclusion that this license is incompatible with posting on Lemmy?

    CosmicCleric, (edited )
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Aha, so you actually read it? Thanks for clarifying.

    I have. Both versions. I was just linking to the easy to read version (canonical), but by declaring my comment as licensed means it is covered by CC BY-NC-SA 4.0, and you can get to the legal version from the canonical version.

    So you didn’t reach the conclusion that this license is incompatible with posting on Lemmy?

    Are you a lawyer? No? Well then be sure to come back here once you get your degree and let us know the final word on this.

    https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

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