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ampersandrew, do games w After Era of Bloat, Veteran Video-Game Developers Are Going Smaller
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Uncharted 2, from Sony Group Corp’s Naughty Dog, was released in 2009 and had a budget of $20 million. The studio’s latest game, The Last of Us: Part 2, cost more than $200 million.

So, uh…why can’t we do that anymore? Even if you account for salary increases and avoiding crunch and such, $40M-$50M for a game as good as Uncharted 2 sounds great!

Dark_Arc,
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Because graphics still sell games. You can do simplified graphics like Nintendo and still sell games, but lots of people want the photo realistic experience and the bar for that has gone way way up incrementally over the years.

youtu.be/GB20A8CitRU?si=ZN-V-FAnKjnxGHBs

ampersandrew,
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I think we’re seeing that that’s no longer true. Minecraft is the best-selling game ever, for instance. If you want to build the photo realistic experience, maybe aim for a smaller scope of video game, like the more linear action games we used to get, because otherwise, the industry ends up in the state it’s in.

Dark_Arc,
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Yeah, maybe I’m just wrong in general … The above doesn’t look that different from say black ops 6 footage.

I definitely wish for a return to the linear format (or simi linear where there are a few concurrent linear quests going on). I think straight up open world just lends itself to making a lot of walking simulators.

Halo Infinity was one of the most boring games I ever played between the weapons sounding like toys and the spread out objectives with no clear central mission.

Ashtear,

I don’t think you’re necessarily wrong on this. Part of the problem is new IPs are risky, and I’m sure market research is telling the big publishers that you’d better not suddenly downgrade your graphics on an established property. Nintendo’s very comfortable in this space because they haven’t really gone this route with first party. They’ve even managed to thread the needle on Mario, Metroid, and Zelda by having both 2D and 3D offerings.

Dark_Arc,
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Nintendo is in a very envious spot in general. Hell, I think Nintendo makes some great games, I just wish they wouldn’t force me to buy yet another computer solely for the purpose of playing their games. I haven’t owned a Mario Kart or Zelda game in years but I’d love to play if I could do so on PC/Linux.

TAG,
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Uncharted and Last of Us are first party Sony games. If they were to say that a game can still be enjoyable without cutting edge graphics no one would want to buy the latest PlayStation iteration.

ampersandrew,
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I think they’re already running out of people who want to buy the latest PlayStation, and Sony clearly can’t afford to throw hundreds of millions of dollars after this level of graphics anymore, because it’s not resulting in equivalent growth of console sales to make up for it.

Fixbeat,

I am a pc gamer and I have the latest-ish video card. I got an expensive card so that I can play any game, but really don’t consider graphics much anymore. You are correct, some people still chase that aspect of video gaming. I think if you have been around for a while, that desire fades. I have lots of low res games these days.

Septian,

Also a PC gamer and I’ve discovered as I’ve aged, CPU has been more of a bottleneck for me than GPU. Games like Factorio or Path of Exile need a powerful CPU, but their graphics are secondary at best.

TimeSquirrel,
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Same here. My favorite game is Kerbal Space Program, and the graphics look like they are straight out of the early 2000s, but even with a 12 core CPU I still get crazy lag during explosions, staging, and other physics interactions. Transitioning from "on rails" flight to actually modelling physics when within a few km of something else has also not ever been smooth.

PunchingWood,

There are plenty of games that don’t do high-end graphics and are still very good, even games that look intentionally low res/quality like Valheim did very well.

Graphics are only really a thing for games that aim for realistic visuals in the first place, but even then it doesn’t need to be so overly high in visual fidelity and pushing better graphics every time. The average gamer isn’t going to care about being able to see reflected objects in windows that you can see in the reflections of puddles, or that a leaf from a tree has a diffused shadow 300 meters away. Yet a lot of these big studios are pushing this tech and stuffing it in their games.

Not saying that’s a bad development, but they’re creating a lot of these budget problems for themselves by setting bars so insanely high and focusing on side-stuff that only increase the scope of the project. Where small indi developers create masterpieces on a budget barely a percentage of what those corporations are throwing at their projects.

Scio, do games w After Era of Bloat, Veteran Video-Game Developers Are Going Smaller

What if I am robot, Bloomberg? Aren’t you one as well? Would you judge the circumstances of your creation?

simple,

Here’s an alternate link: archive.is/EwaZR

Blxter, do gaming w Annapurna Video-Game Team Resigns, Leaving Partners Scrambling - Bloomberg
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Didn’t remedy just partner or start with them for the next control/alan wake game… Rip

Mechanize,

Remedy and Annapurna announce a strategic cooperation agreement on Control 2 and bringing Control and Alan Wake to film and television

I’m not sure this is going to directly affect that, because their deal talks mainly about financing for the Control game, and the other news is about movie adaptations, so probably it is going to be another team, lead by the newly re-hired Hector Sanchez, working on that…

But who knows, this kind of things are always hard to follow from the outside

chloyster,
dwindling7373, do games w Annapurna Video-Game Team Resigns, Leaving Partners Scrambling

2 years ago this investigation into its working was released (abusive working conditions), I think it may be relevant…

inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=xDPzZkx0cPs

dinckelman, do games w Annapurna Video-Game Team Resigns, Leaving Partners Scrambling

That is really bad news. Annapurna has been one of the publishers that’s consistently got excellent unique games under its brand

myfavouritename, do gaming w Annapurna Video-Game Team Resigns, Leaving Partners Scrambling - Bloomberg

Wow. I’ve always trusted games published by Annapurna to be something exciting, new, and high quality. I’m devastated to hear that this publishing company is floundering.

LukeZaz,

I’ve always trusted games published by Annapurna to be something exciting, new, and high quality.

That didn’t make them good either, though. Companies like them and Devolver Digital have had a bad habit of, for lack of a better term, using up developers and throwing them to the curb after. You’ll notice that a lot of stuff they publish get marketed as though Annapurna made them, which ends up hiding the actual developers behind the curtain, thereby robbing them of fans and thus seriously hurting their long-term prospects.

Midnitte,

Plus… in a digital age, publishers just seem to be the private insurance companies of the gaming world - they just extract profit from developers.

myfavouritename,

That’s a great point. I suppose one could tell how healthy the relationship is between developer and publisher by looking at how many dev companies on the roster have created a second great game. Of course, that’s tough even with a great publisher, so maybe that’s not realistic.

KingThrillgore, do games w Annapurna Video-Game Team Resigns, Leaving Partners Scrambling
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Probably gonna be a shitty Friday at Remedy

jordanlund, do games w Annapurna Video-Game Team Resigns, Leaving Partners Scrambling
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Sounds like if they had stuck around, they would have been let go eventually anyway…

SnotFlickerman, do gaming w Annapurna Video-Game Team Resigns, Leaving Partners Scrambling - Bloomberg
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Megan Ellison sounds like a terrible chip off the old block of Larry Ellison.

This sucks for all the developers and sucks for the people who resigned since Ellison obviously doesn’t care about their concerns.

Glide, do games w Annapurna Video-Game Team Resigns, Leaving Partners Scrambling

Every single time I have played an Annapurna published game, I had a fantastic time. I won’t say that everything they did was equal, but everything they did was entertaining, and thought-provoking.

I can’t quite follow the legalese required to parse EXACTLY what this means going forward, but I am sure it is not good, and that is disappointing.

Skua, do games w Annapurna Video-Game Team Resigns, Leaving Partners Scrambling

Ahh fuck, stuff being published by them was usually a decent sign that it'd be interesting in some way. Best of luck to the actual team, I hope they can put something new together

iAmTheTot, do games w Annapurna Video-Game Team Resigns, Leaving Partners Scrambling

Annapurna is just a publisher, no?

kellyaster,
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Yes, they’re a publisher. They supposedly have/had a small team working on a Blade Runner game, but they have yet to release a game they developed on their own. Publishing is their thing, so Annapurna Interactive is kinda fucked. I mean, jeez, it looks bad, I mean they all walked out.

Breadhax0r,

Annapurna was both, this article is saying that the development side broke off from the publishing side.

iAmTheTot,

What have they developed?

Breadhax0r,

Oh…so I dug further, and apparently the only in-house game to their name is a blade runner title that’s still in development.

li10, do games w Annapurna Video-Game Team Resigns, Leaving Partners Scrambling

Uhh, what kinda dispute causes an entire staff to quit??

Can’t see any reason mentioned in the article other than a disagreement with the owner.

Just seems crazy that they’ve let such a successful team walk away, when it sounds like the team were willing to find a way forward…

SpaceNoodle,

They likely had some outlandish request or policy that was anathema to the department’s mission, and just assumed that they would cave. Seems like good leadership stuck to their principles, and the good leaders were followed by teams who weren’t willing to lose that.

If the owner is smart, they’ll backtrack, make concessions when hiring everyone back, and learn from their fuckup. In reality, I hope the new company that forms from the exodus finds fast success.

shoulderoforion,
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the staff wanted equity vis a vis the spinoff, and ownership decided they didn't want to give it to them

Chocrates,

The wiki blurb seems to indicate that the staff were in negotiations to split off and Megan Ellison decided not to let them do that.

SpaceNoodle, (edited ) do games w Annapurna Video-Game Team Resigns, Leaving Partners Scrambling

LOL, they say they’ll replace the staff and honor existing contracts. It’s gonna be shit quality. All their partners will be better off severing ties, reclaiming paid funds, and going with the new company that inevitably forms from the department previously known as Annapurna Interactive.

Chocrates,

That autocorrect made that a wild read.

SpaceNoodle,

LOL, holy shit. Fixed.

ampersandrew, do games w Annapurna Video-Game Team Resigns, Leaving Partners Scrambling
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Uh, this is a huge deal. Terrible news.

emuspawn,
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Terrible news…for Megan Ellison. Can’t wait to see what the inevitable independent studio they’ll form puts out.

terraborra,
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I was extremely excited by the recent news that Control was going to be adapted into film and or TV. This could be a massive risk to that going ahead.

emuspawn,
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This is true! But I think the “good” (?) news there is Annapurna Studios is not going anywhere, and they retained all the IP their subsidiary holds. Sucks for the former Annapurna Interactive folks that they can’t bring the IP with them, but c’est la vie.

ampersandrew,
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That deal only really made sense because it was with a company that did both things.

radix,
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Sounds like just the publishing side was affected. Lots of other independent developers are kind of in limbo in the short term, which does suck.

Hopefully they can get out of any contracts and go to a publisher not associated with that family.

SpaceNoodle,

Like, maybe the new company that forms from the entire team that left

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