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mooncake, do games w Reminder if you're leaving Discord for this Revolt server ( Linux + Steam Deck devs / creators)
@mooncake@lemm.ee avatar

I wanna give it a go but it’s way too buggy

PerfectDark,
@PerfectDark@lemmy.world avatar

I just use the site, via my browser. And I’ve not had any issues! Though I’ve no idea how well the app performs

tyrant, do games w Reminder if you're leaving Discord for this Revolt server ( Linux + Steam Deck devs / creators)

Revolt isn’t federated, encrypted, has no video chat, claims privacy but that claim seems to be simply because they are based in Europe. The layout is nice and ui is better than element but that’s the only upside i see. I hate the matrix client ui’s and chat sorting options.

scrubbles,
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Exactly. I wish they would have just built a great UI on top of Matrix or even XMPP, but they insisted on doing it this way. None of my friends want to switch to something that they’re boxed-in with, they don’t want an app just for one server. Matrix is the only option we have, but all of the UIs are… meh.

dogs0n,

Yeah, they kinda screwed up Element with combining mobile and desktop features into one app. The first time I tried creating a call on desktop, it was suddenly apparent how confusing they had made it, because you can do it in multiple ways (normal calls & conference calls).

There are other UIs that look very nice, but sadly don’t support voice chat. Hopefully these other clients can catch up, but it’ll likely take a while.

XM34, (edited )

So, I briefly tried out Matrix some four years ago and left because it was utter trash and from what I gather from your comment it is still pretty much trash now. But despite there not being a single usable client, people still try to convince everyone that Matrix, by some obscrure metric, is superior to all other chat programs.

Sorry to say, but a chat protocol on its own is a tech demo at best and as long as there isn’t a single feature complete and usable client, it’s an alternative for no one except hardcore tech enthusiasts.

When I last used Matrix/Elements I had to deal with “lost keys” issues multiple times in just two months. This issue is a dealbreaker if it happens just once in a year and apparently, it’s still a semi regular problem for some of my friends.

Just accept it, Matrix will never be a replacement for Discord, WhatsApp, Telegram or even just Microsoft Teams.

poke,

Never is a strong word. Element has made a lot of progress and I can see the potential in it to compete with some of these platforms.

But no, it’s not there yet.

dogs0n,

I agree, I don’t think it’s trash. From my experience, chatting is very good, voice/video are just the next thing they are tackling.

Better UX will probably come after important features are done.

dogs0n,

I didn’t mean to say that it’s (still) trash, I think it’s useable, but there are still a lot of improvements to come.

Element as a client seems to want to do everything, which is probably great for a lot of people, but it (in my experience) has led to a poor user experience (which with more time, will likely improve, they seem to have a lot of backing).

With Element completing voice/video implementation, I imagine it’ll be easier for other clients to reference their work when implementing their own support.

Once the other clients get voice support, I will definitely be trying them out again, I’m sure they will make a much simpler experience that works out the box.

The lost keys problem has luckily never happened to me, it usually boils down the user error I believe, but yeah, if it is a user error that happens often, they should figure out some way to fix that (probably a hard problem, which is sort of fixed (i believe) if you use the client on multiple devices, so if you get logged out of your account you can easily authorize your access from another logged in device, eg desktop/mobile).

Lichtblitz,

Also, revolt self hosting is broken. The web call functionality (WebRTC) is being rewritten but that effort is stale and out of the box it simply does not work. There is no real documentation about this either. It just won’t work and you need to invest a lot of effort to figure out why. The moment self hosting properly works, I’ll give it another shot. Not being able to connect without a fat client is a show stopper for me. There’s no way I can get enough traction for my groups if the barrier to switch is higher than a sheet of paper.

When self hosting all the shortcomings you mentioned are perfectly acceptable for me.

KSPAtlas,
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Revolt hasn’t added federation because it can be a major complexity increase in the codebase, but apparently they might be allowing instance owners to integrate polyproto support (polyproto is a work-in-progress federated chat system). If you want a discord like interface for Matrix, Cinny exists. I personally prefer revolt in some ways as Matrix feels like it doesn’t fit the use case for discord as well.

tyrant,

Cinny hates me. Failed to load module xapp-gtk3-module and then unable to complete frame buffer.

Screenshots look nice though!

KSPAtlas,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

There’s a web version you can use just fine

Igilq, (edited ) do zapytajszmer w (jestem amerykanką) wiem, że w polsce, mówi się po niemiecku. czy posługują się polsko-niemieckim gwarem?
@Igilq@szmer.info avatar

W Polsce jedynie w szkołach uczy się niemieckiego jako część edukacji i jedynie chyba tam się go używa z tego co wiem ale myślę że jednak posługują się polsko-niemieckim gwarą

Petros,
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Gwara jest rodzaju żeńskiego. pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwara

endeavor, do gaming w I’m in dire need of a new monitor but, it seems, it is harder to find a good one than I thought.

I had some 1080p asus gaming monitor with high refresh rate but terrible ghosting and colors, colors were especially noticably bad compared to my tablet. I just got a yesteryears top tier 2k ultrawide 34" from LG for 200 bucks and I’m really happy. 4070ti super manages to runs games on it fine and it takes less space than 3 monitors would.

scrubbles, do games w Reminder if you're leaving Discord for this Revolt server ( Linux + Steam Deck devs / creators)
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Just switched my friend group over to Matrix. Honestly looked at Revolt, but no federation was a non-starter. Convincing friends to leave is hard enough, unfortunately being locked into a single server was a non-starter. It’s too bad, they have a great UI, but I think they should have left the backend to trusted protocols.

dogs0n,

Just imagine the good they could have done by being a new competent Matrix client that can do everything, but instead they are a Discord clone.

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

It would have been a massive win win

derin,
@derin@lemmy.beru.co avatar

If you like Discord’s UI, there is a new Matrix client being developed - called Commet.Chat - that is trying to look and feel like Discord.

Might be worth checking out!

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

Oh that’s AMAZING! I’m going to try it out tonight!

derin,
@derin@lemmy.beru.co avatar

I also hadn’t used it in a while - used to be very rough around the edges.

Just installed it on my phone, it’s actually pretty usable now!

pfm, do zapytajszmer w (jestem amerykanką) wiem, że w polsce, mówi się po niemiecku. czy posługują się polsko-niemieckim gwarem?

Zależy co rozumiesz przez “mówić po niemiecku”. Jeśli masz na myśli rozmowy codzienne między ludźmi, to nie. Jeśli chodzi o umiejętność posługiwania się tym językiem, to tak, część ludzi zna niemiecki.

drmoose, do games w Oblivion Remastered Impressions (and Discussion Thread)

Was really sad when found out that my Linux home pc can’t run it on 6600rx. Turns out only needed a driver update and set desktop resolution to 1080p and now everything is running nicely at 60fps.

The game is really fun though I already added couple of balance mods:

turnip, do games w Reminder if you're leaving Discord for this Revolt server ( Linux + Steam Deck devs / creators)

Does Signal not do everything people need?

AntiBullyRanger,
smeg,

You can do a call in a group chat, right?

AntiBullyRanger,

I’m unsure. I’ve only ever used Mumble, Jabber, & SimpleX.

Can’t afford rn to setup a SIP or SRTP dæmon. I even have to setup a PBX for normie related contacts.

omnioki,
@omnioki@sh.itjust.works avatar

yes, it does video or voice chat.

SidTheShuckle, do games w Reminder if you're leaving Discord for this Revolt server ( Linux + Steam Deck devs / creators)

I did notice the recent developments in discord. If discord starts putting ads in their platform I might switch

Korhaka,

They already have done that a while ago.

papertowels,

But they’re quests

Korhaka,

I don’t even read it, just close. Still hate it and would drop discord immediately if the communities I am in switched to anything else.

Agent_Karyo, do games w Reminder if you're leaving Discord for this Revolt server ( Linux + Steam Deck devs / creators)
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

I really hope indie gamedevs start moving off Discord. Sometimes it’s the only source for finding help or reporting bugs.

AntiBullyRanger,

This is super hilarious, ’cause host a devlog is so simple, it can be done in ssh, even in forsaken email. While lemmy is literally here.

mic_check_one_two,

Yeah, and it’s doubly infuriating because Discord is not a good replacement for support forums. It isn’t searchable via search engines, and even the built in search is fucking dog water.

Let’s say I have an error, so I google “{Program} {Error code} Solved”. With a forum, I would find a thread that is already talking about the specific error, with comments regarding troubleshooting steps or a solution… But with Discord, all I get is a generic link to the program’s server.

And even once I’m in the server, there often isn’t a good way for me to find existing threads about my specific error. Maybe I check the pinned messages, but some servers have dozens of channels; am I expected to check the pins on every single channel? Oftentimes that seems to be the expectation, because asking a question will often just get a “check the pinned messages, ya thud-fuck” type of response.

Or maybe I search it, but (again) am I expected to search every single channel? And since Discord doesn’t use fuzzed searches, searching for “Error code 0x00548327” won’t return any results if the thread simply uses “Error 548327” instead. With Google (or any half-decent search engine, really) you get results for both. But not with Discord.

So instead, I ask in the support channel. And that leads me to my final gripe… My response takes actual effort from another person in order to solve. Maybe I get lucky and they have a bot set up to respond to a keyword/error number in my comment… But if not, or if I didn’t use the specific keyword that the bot was searching for, then I need to rely on other people. If there are 200 people with the same issue, that’s 200 times that someone needs to respond to what is essentially the same message. With a forum, you could simply find the post, and read the responses. No human interaction necessary, because it has already been done. The question and answer process has already happened. But with Discord, I’m forced to wait on someone to actually respond, and the devs/admins actually need to dedicate time and resources to ensuring it gets answered. That constant vigilance takes a lot more time and effort away from actual mod duties.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a comically bad experience.

I get it that it’s probably easier to setup a Discord server, than to run your own forum, but you can always get a managed solution or use reddit (I would prefer if Lemmy was used, but I am also realistic).

mic_check_one_two,

I’m actually against companies running their own subreddits, purely because I’m an old redditor who remembers when it was specifically disallowed by Reddit. The original intent was for the site to the run by the people, not by companies. Companies were actually prevented from moderating their own subs; the worry was that they would use their mod powers to suppress any sort of negative press or criticism, no matter how valid.

For instance, maybe there’s a popular TV show. The company wasn’t allowed to have a hand in moderating the official fan sub for the show, because it was left up to the public. If the show did something unpopular, the broadcasting company shouldn’t have the ability to suppress the criticism about it.

But Reddit has since done a complete 180 on that topic, and now goes out of their way to install corporate moderators. Subs are now run as an extension of the company’s marketing and/or PR departments

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

Agreed. Just at this point I think it’s fair to say that this policy is definitely not in effect.

MrScottyTay,

Fucking preach! I feel like this falls on deaf ears most of the time though sadly.

ulterno,

I normally like GitLab issues as a place for bug reports.

A FAQ and an old style forum works pretty well for help.
In fact, just make a community on Lemmy for the forum part and you’ll have what’s required.

GitHub also has this new “Discussions” thing which should do some good, for those that want to stay on GitHub

Bruegel, do zapytajszmer w (jestem amerykanką) wiem, że w polsce, mówi się po niemiecku. czy posługują się polsko-niemieckim gwarem?

Istnieją dialekty stanowiące połączenie polskiego i niemieckiego, czyli śląski i kaszubski.

Petros,
@Petros@szmer.info avatar

Kaszubski nie jest dialektem, lecz językiem regionalnym pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Język_regionalny#Polska

Jest jedyną pozostałością słowiańskich dialektów pomorskich. Etnolekt ten należy do grupy języków lechickich; jego centralna odmiana jest bliska polszczyźnie standardowej, z wpływami języka dolnoniemieckiego oraz wymarłych połabskiego i pruskiego[5].

Śląska mowa jest etnolektem wieloskładnikowym.

Na kształtowanie się słownictwa etnolektu miały wpływ zapożyczenia z języków: literackiego polskiego, czeskiego (szczególnie z narzecza morawskiego, traktowanego niekiedy jako odrębny język), niemieckiego (najczęściej z germańskiego dialektu śląskiego) oraz częściowo słowackiego. W mowie tej konsekwentnie dominuje dzisiaj fonologia i morfologia słowiańska i przeważa takiż źródłosłów. Dyskusyjna jest kwestia statusu mowy śląskiej. W publikacjach językoznawczych śląszczyzna uznawana jest za dialekt języka polskiego. Jednakże znaczna część wyrażeń bliższa jest językowi staropolskiemu niż współczesnej polszczyźnie standardowej[9].

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etnolekt_śląski

Gryficowa,

W sensie, jako Kaszub mówię głównie po polsku, ale się zgadzam

Bruegel,

Posługuję sie prostą definicją: język to dialekt z wojskiem😉

victorz, do games w Day 284 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games l've been playing

Love these. There’s just something so serene about these posts.

7112,

Like mini-adventures

MyNameIsAtticus,
@MyNameIsAtticus@lemmy.world avatar

The animals are my favorite part of sharing with this game. I took a picture of a Stingray and some sort of Shark today while i was playing and i’ve already decided that i want to use on of them in today’s post

victorz,

I think part of the magic here is that you’re having fun, and it shows. You’re spreading joy here, bud. Like watching gaming through the eyes of a kid again, but explained with the eloquence of an adult.

MyNameIsAtticus,
@MyNameIsAtticus@lemmy.world avatar

That’s definitely the mindset i try to have when i go in to do these. Just having fun and sharing the parts i like

victorz,

Wonderful 👊😊

fmstrat, do games w Reminder if you're leaving Discord for this Revolt server ( Linux + Steam Deck devs / creators)

No thanks. One more centralized service to enshitify. Will stick with Matrix.

omnioki,
@omnioki@sh.itjust.works avatar

matrix is part of the police state. mastodon.matrix.org/

tekato,

Just in: Orange farmers are part of the police state because they sell oranges to the government, including policemen.

omnioki,
@omnioki@sh.itjust.works avatar

there’s a subtle difference, but if i’m following your logic, then weapons manufacturers have no moral/ethical responsibility for enabling war to happen? if you made a knife—harmless on its own, and then gave the knife to a murderer who then killed someone with it, are you not enabling?

lepinkainen,

Is Ford a part of the police state because they sell cars to them?

omnioki,
@omnioki@sh.itjust.works avatar

idk what their agreement is with them, but i’d venture to guess that they’re not not complicit.

papertowels,

I just want to make sure you notice it says “encrypted messaging” meaning matrix as a service, as opposed to “encrypted messages”, meaning selling your messages.

fmstrat,

Uhh this is a reach. By this logic so is Signal. And RedHat. Hell, even Mastodon.

omnioki,
@omnioki@sh.itjust.works avatar

sure, it’s nuanced, but imho there’s a difference between actively helping and propping up vs providing free software. when you have active contracts with entities that discriminate, it becomes a different ethical stance than simply building FOSS.

fmstrat,

Thats fair, but simly using FOSS software doesn’t support the cause of the developers/creators. I mean, look at Lemmy.

omnioki,
@omnioki@sh.itjust.works avatar

yeah i can understand that viewpoint, and for all the matrix users i hope that remains true. maybe i’m just jaded, but i’ve been around long enough to know that just because a company isn’t a complete pile of shit now doesn’t mean they won’t be in the future—ESPECIALLY when you can see the company they keep (and defend).

MyDarkestTimeline01, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of April 27th

Just finished the Front Mission 1 remake and started the Front Mission 2 remake. Found out why it wasn’t as popular. Playing a bit of Space Marine 2, CoD, Warframe when the mood takes me. I also played some more Bomb Rush Cyberfunk, which is like a spiritual sequel to Jet Set Radio Future.

FQQD, do notjustbikes w NotJustBikes uses Linux!
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That’s very on-character for him to do, but it’s still great to hear :)

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