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Aganim, do gaming w Responsible Adult say no to Store Exclusive.

And make sure to avoid stores that actively promote the store exclusives concept, even for stuff that isn’t an exclusive (anymore). They don’t deserve our money. Looking at you Epic.

Elgenzay,
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I remember when Metro Exodus was about to release, Epic bought them out and they made the game unpurchasable on Steam after people already preordered. So only those who preordered were able to play on Steam for the first year after release. Valve left this statement on the store page.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/ef30562d-27f2-4637-aee0-c3b85fa5fe68.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Exodus#Release

Aganim,

Ubisoft pulled something like that with Anno 1800. If you pre-ordered it on Steam it was possible to install and play it, as it was only delisted but not removed entirely. Buying the DLC was a bit of a pain as you couldn’t search Steam for it, you had to dig up the direct Steam Store link from one of the official posts on the Ubi forum. It wasn’t ideal, but at least they had the sense to make everything available immediately on Steam for those that already bought the game there.

Kecessa, (edited )

Store exclusivity is paid, this means that the devs get a guaranteed income instead of relying on the Steam gamble.

Would you work for your employer if you might be paid more than average but no guarantee on that and only in two years if it happens at all as it depends on the number of clients you got and how influencers feel about your work once it’s complete?

I don’t know about you but I look around and I don’t know anyone who would accept those conditions. That’s where exclusivity becomes an option, you might not have as high an income, but that employer tells you ahead of hiring you how much you’ll make in the next year with a commission on every sale you make once your work is complete.

Aganim,

I’m fully aware, and I don’t even blame developers, especially indies, as I can completely understand their reasoning and commercial consideration. But from a user perspective I just see a store trying to buy market share and either forcing customers to wait a year or cave and use that store. Epic doesn’t fork over money to help developers, it does so to grab a piece of the pie and create value for shareholders.

Personally I prefer not buying or using platforms from companies whose policies I don’t agree with. I avoid Amazon for that reason, and Epic’s store is therefore also on my personal blacklist.

It’s a choice I’m allowed and willing to make. Of course you are free to disagree and by all means, do whatever you feel is right.

Kecessa, (edited )

Do you purchase on Steam? Because it is in a monopolistic position and that’s much more anti consumer than anything Epic or GOG can do in their position.

That’s not even talking about the 30% cut which means less money going to the devs (and before you say they use the money to innovate, devs being able to afford making games is much more important for gaming than developing virtual trading cards or enriching a billionaire with a yacht collection).

CileTheSane,
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Because it is in a monopolistic position

Is it forcing a monopolistic position? Or is it’s “monopolistic position” just a result of it being popular and widely used?

Kecessa,

Do we need to wait until they start abusing their position before we react to the fact that they can do whatever the fuck they want with the PC gaming market?

CileTheSane,
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Do we need to wait until they start abusing their position

Should we be punishing Steam for things they haven’t done?

Epic was already trying to abuse their position as soon as they started up.

“You should purchase from the shitty company because if you purchase from the better company they might maybe one day become shitty” is not a compelling argument.

If Steam starts abusing their position and becomes shitty then I will stop using Steam. There is nothing morally or ethically wrong (or difficult) with “pirating” the games I have legally purchased on Steam in order to access them outside of the Steam environment.

acosmichippo,
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I don’t know about you but I look around and I don’t know anyone who would accept those conditions.

except publishers frequently do accept those conditions.

Kecessa,

I’m talking about employees, not businesses

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

and I’m saying your analogy doesn’t work.

Kecessa,

Except that yes it does. You’re expecting all devs to spend their life savings to develop a game in the hope that Markiplier or Northernlion or whoever else decide to play their game out of thousands of suggestions they get? Some of them prefer a guaranteed salary in exchange for exclusivity, just like the vast majority of people exchange a guaranteed salary in exchange for work exclusive to a single employer. But somehow you guys expect devs to just gamble while you wouldn’t play slot machine for a living.

CileTheSane,
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I am not a dev. You are also not a dev. Here are some thoughts from an indie dev about Steam and Epic: reddit.com/…/jason_thor_halls_pirate_software_tho…

Note the comments he makes about why an Epic exclusivity window is valuable to a dev.

CileTheSane,
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The employees got paid while working on the game. They don’t only get paid based on sales.

Kecessa,

I’m making a parallel between those businesses who still need money to come in in order to pay employees and the way people who are complaining about exclusives wouldn’t submit themselves to the same process of working without any guaranteed income. Money to pay employees doesn’t come out of nowhere and plenty of publishers have went bankrupt leaving the employees without anything to show for their hard work.

You’re also completely forgetting about indie devs.

Analogies, you guys should go read about those.

CileTheSane,
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You can’t hide behind a bad analogy simply due to it being an analogy. It’s still bad. McDonald’s doesn’t get paid until someone buys a burger. Walmart doesn’t get paid until a customer leaves the checkout. This is very normal for businesses that you don’t get money until the consumer buys your product. If I start an independent business selling socks I can make all the socks I want, I don’t get paid unless people buy them. That’s a normal risk to starting your own business.

All of this is besides the fact that I don’t blame devs for taking the offer, I blame Epic. If a game later becomes available on another service I will consider it then, I will not let Epic have any of my money.

You’re also completely forgetting about indie devs.

Okay, let’s ask an indie dev.

Kecessa,

Does McDonald’s wait 2 or 3 years to get money for the work accomplished to make that burger?

CileTheSane,
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To make that burger they need to acquire the property, get permits, build the restaurant, purchase and receive equipment, get more permits, train staff, get supplies, advertise…

Yes, all that will take 2-3 years. I worked at a McDonald’s that was getting rebuilt and the process for a restaurant that already existed took longer than 2 years.

Thank you for focusing on the last relevant part of my comment to signal that you don’t have any actual valid criticisms of what I said.

FlihpFlorp, do gaming w anyone know any good android games?

Cards and tankards is a social deck builder, it’s mostly on PC and VR but they released to android recently

Wahots, do gaming w anyone know any good android games?
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

Balatro is super good

koncertejo, do gaming w anyone know any good android games?
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Super Hexagon

Ordoviz, do gaming w anyone know any good android games?
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Shattered Pixel Dungeon is a great Rouge-like.

Thavron,
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*Rogue

:)

Vodulas,

Nah, everything is filtered through a slight red filter

lemba,
Lumisal, do gaming w What are good (Paid) android games these days? (End of 2024)

Dicey Dungeons

ErsatzCoalButter, do gaming w anyone know any good android games?

Xcom, Dragon Quest 4-8, Loop Hero

GammaGames, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of December 8th

My partner and I have been playing some of the board games from the recent humble bundle and having a lot of fun! Cats and Quilts of Calico is a nice little strategy game where you place colored tiles and get points for their adjacency, plus it has a cat creator. Terraforming Mars is like the board game but waaaaaay easier because you don’t have to track your little cubes and all your actions manually.

Hoping to try out the new Pavlov update tonight, even if it is a little disappointing (ported maps and paid skins 🥲)

Vodulas,

Calico is great! Not sure if there is a digital version, but you would probably like Cascadia if you like Calico.

GammaGames,

Only $15 on steam! Thanks for the rec, I’ll have to check it out

GammaGames,

Circling back and confirming it’s a lot of fun! The digital version is a little buggy but we played it a few hours last night and will probably play a few more rounds tonight

Vodulas,

Oh, awesome! I’m glad you like it. It is one of my favorite quick games

t3rmit3, do gaming w What do we think will be GoTY and which game do we think should be GoTY?

Balatro will win.

Vampire Survivors should win.

AceFuzzLord, do gaming w anyone know any good android games?

I don’t know much about android handhelds or anything, but I feel like Mindustry on F-droid could be a fun game. No idea if the device is touchscreen, nor if there are physical controls whether they’ll work natively.

hitstun, do gaming w anyone know any good android games?
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Which handheld do you have? The games depends on the screen size and buttons available. Without that information, /m/balatro@lemm.ee is the only safe bet I have.

sleepybisexual,

Its an rp4 pro. Baisally dual analog. Dpad and face buttons and shoulders and triggers

hitstun,
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A Retroid Pocket 4 Pro? That thing is an emulation beast. For me, I'd be right at home playing Dreamcast and PSP games with RetroAchievements turned on. But this thread isn't about emulation.

I bet /m/skychildrenoflight@lemmy.world runs great on this thing. Dead Cells and Streets of Rage 4 seem to be popular picks too. I'd look into unofficial ports like RSDK, Ship of Harkinian, Open XCOM, Open Lara, and D1X-Redux. The Retroid front end can probably install some of those for you.

mysticpickle, do gaming w anyone know any good android games?

Slice and Dice. Turn based RPG dungeon fighter where your party are all unique dice that you can modify with items and such. The interface is super slick and well done.

I’ve put in hundreds of hours and I’m going to likely be putting in hundreds more. Well worth the price!

Auster, do gaming w What are good (Paid) android games these days? (End of 2024)

My recommendations:

Valmond,

That’s a lot of games! (But no descriptions 🥲) Any turnbased games, especially tactic/strategic ones in there?

Auster,

Deep Down Dungeons, Final Fantasy VI, Final Fantasy VII, Quest of Dungeons and Tyrant’s Blessing are turb-based RPGs, and Tyrant’s Blessing specifically is a tactical RPG.

Valmond,

Thanks! That tyrants thing looks like it’d float my boat!

MagnyusG,

how many of these are exclusive to mobile? setting a lot of games I could get on a better platform

Auster,

None - all are multi-platform.

SatyrSack, do gaming w anyone know any good android games?
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Stardew Valley is popular

sleepybisexual,

I play it on switch :3

SatyrSack,
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I assume that is a better experience in just about every way!

wolnyjez, do wolnyinternet w Konsultacje społeczne w Ministerstwie Cyfryzacji (11.12.2024)
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Jak wyglądają takie konsultacje? Każdy przestawiciel strony społecznej może wygłosić coś a la oświadczenie? Można zadawać pytania przedstawicielom ministerstwa i liczyć na odpowiedź?

slavistapl,

Odczuwam wrażenie, że coś bardziej w stylu pierwszego.

wolnyjez,
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Szkoda, bo w kwestii portfela tożsamości cyfrowej mógłbym ich zasypać pytaniami. Dwa pytania są kluczowe, więc i tak się nimi podzielę:

  1. Czy kod i protokoły odpowiedzalne za weryfikację wieku będą w pełni otwarte?
  2. Jeśli nie, to czy naprawdę liczą, że uwierzymy im na słowo w bajki o pełnej prywatności?

Prędzej czy później ministerstwo będzie musiało się zadeklarować w tych kwestiach. (liczne wywiady prawnika Gramatyki nawijającego makaron na uszy dziennikarzom mnie nie przekonują)

W kwestii cyberbezpieczeństwa i przejścia na otwarty soft. Można zwrócić uwagę na windowsowy “Recall”, jeśli chcą używać windowsa dalej to co zamierzają zrobić z tym spywarem?

W kwestii cyberbezpieczeństwa i ChatControl. Polska niedługo przejmuje prezydencję, więc będziemy mieli więcej do powiedzenia w tej kwestii. Można zwrócić uwagę, że Salt Typhoon pokazał, że ChatControl to igranie z ogniem. Może na któregoś decydenta taka argumentacja zadziała. Bo nie mam złudzeń, wielu politykom podsłuchy pasują o ile podsłuchującymi są ci “dobrzy”. Dopiero wizja szpiegującego Ruska albo Chińczyka może ich przekonać.

slavistapl, (edited )

Podobają mi się te sugestie, ale obawiam się, że na wyrecytowanie tego wszystkiego może po prostu zabraknąć czasu… słyszałem podobno, że każdemu ma być dane jedynie po jakieś 60 sekund. Według mnie to śmiesznie krótki czas na wypowiedź.

wolnyjez,
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obawiam się, że na wyrecytowanie tego wszystkiego może po prostu zabraknąć czasu

Jasna sprawa. Szacunek, że w ogóle chce Ci się tam iść.

słyszałem podobno, że każdemu ma być dane jedynie po jakieś 60 sekund

Klasyka, a potem będą podkreślać na każdym kroku jakie to szerokie konsultacje przeprowadzili 😐.

slavistapl, (edited )

Klasyka, a potem będą podkreślać na każdym kroku jakie to szerokie konsultacje przeprowadzili 😐.

Nie ilość, co jakość wypowiedzi ma znaczenie. To, że większość wypowiadających się najpewniej będzie przytakiwać ministerstwu, które idzie w buzzwordy, a nie rzeczywiste działania, nic nie zmieni. Może i jestem w tej mniejszości, która krytykuje nadmierny technooptymizm co niektórych, ale ważne, żeby taka mniejszość istniała. Tak jak mówiłem w innym wątku z innym komentującym - to wszystko, co do nas napływa, może być przydatne, ale nie możemy tego nadużywać. Inaczej będzie ambaras.

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