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Chozo, do gaming w Are you enjoying Palworld?

I've got a feeling that the legal issues, even if they're in the clear, are going to pose a lot of problems for the longevity of the game. But, I'm really hopeful that this sparks inspiration for other devs to take on the monster collecting genre. Pokemon has dominated that space for so long that they practically define the genre at this point, so it'll be nice to see new monster collectors come out with their own unique styles.

Butterbee,
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So far Pocketpair has been VERY careful about actually infringing on copyright or trademarks. People smarter than I am are pretty certain that if Nintendo or the Pokemon Company could take legal action against the game as it is, they would have already. The important things to note are that you cannot copyright an art style and you cannot copyright or patent game mechanics. And even if things were touch and go, the gameplay loop of adding survival elements and an emphasis on cooperative guild base management is pretty transformative compared to Pokemon games. So as long as they avoid adding pals that are so close to their Pokemon counterparts that they don’t pass the squint test they will be alright.

Chozo,

While all of that appears to be true, that doesn't mean Nintendo/TPC aren't able to make this small studio's lives a nightmare if they wanted. I have a feeling that the level of scrutiny the studio will be under from now on is going to inhibit any real innovation, as they're already walking a very fine line as it is.

conciselyverbose,

It's also worth noting that they're both Japanese companies, and Japan has different views on IP than the rest of the world. I don't really know enough to go into detail, but it's entirely possible something a company from the US could laugh off is enough to get action taken in Japan.

Moira_Mayhem,

Agreed, all of the ‘drama’ surrounding this possible copyright case is largely created by youtubers and tiktokers for views.

That said, Nintendo WILL probably sue but as a formality to protect their brand, and will gracefully pay Pocket Pair’s legal fees as a cost of business once the court rules in Pocket Pair’s favor to keep their copyrights from lapsing to generic use. It’s not uncommon.

Not doing that is how Bayer lost the copyright for ‘Asprin’ in the U.S.

Now if a ton of people refer to Pals as Pokemon the same way people refer to all tissues as Kleenex, THEN they might legitimately run the risk of losing their copyright and will pursue aggressively but I don’t see that happening.

Moira_Mayhem,

There is no legal issue, Nintendo is suing as a formality to protect their existing copyrights. They’ll be ruled against and shrug their shoulders and pay Pocket Pair’s legal fees because that is a much better business decision than risking losing their copyright to their existing creatures.

If they don’t aggressively protect their copyright, the JCO might just rule that they have become generic and common use like how Bayer lost the trademarked name ‘Asprin’ in the U.S. when it was considered common use and Bayer did not pursue it aggressively.

But that doesn’t make good youtube poop or memes so you probably think this is some kind of hotly contested hullabaloo because of where you are getting your info from.

conciselyverbose,

Trademarks can become genericized if you don't actively defend them.

Copyright cannot.

Chozo,

There is no legal issue

Nintendo is suing

I mean, it's right there.

Also, you're thinking of trademark. Might be a good idea to know the difference before calling somebody else's opinion "hullabaloo".

Moira_Mayhem,

I don’t think you understand. They can’t win the case but if they don’t bring it, they might lose their brand.

Pocket Pair is not violating even Japan’s strictest interpretation of copyright infringement.

jay, do gaming w Are you enjoying Palworld?

It’s still in my wishlist, I have not palyed it yet. Good to know you liked it!

MiddledAgedGuy, (edited )

I read it was Pokémon like and wrote it off. I’ve tried to but never enjoyed Pokémon. I grew up on jrpg’s so you’d think that was right up my alley. But I disgress…

The comments here paint a more complex story. It honestly still doesn’t seem like my type of game, but my curiosity is piqued. I’ll check it out.

savvywolf, (edited ) do gaming w Are you enjoying Palworld?
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I actually bought it, tried it for a bit, and then refunded it.

It just felt kinda bland? Not sure if this is just because I wasn’t in in the right headspace, but the game got to the point where I started collecting resources in a base and I just put the game down.

It’s like they got a generic survival game and added not-pokemon and guns to it for shock factors, without really considering gameplay cohesion.

The real reason I refunded it though is because, according to someone on Bluesky, the devs have a history of being NFT and genAI shills. I’d rather not get emotionally invested in mons that could just become NFTs or AI puppets.

Very interested in a future game where someone else takes the idea and actually has the passion to create a good 3D mon catching game. Clearly it’s something the market wants.

ted,

The generative AI and NFT concerns were overblown. His generative AI comment was from his other game, AI art imposter which has AI in the title. For crypto stuff, it’s likely because his company just chases trends. Say what you will about that, but to me a trend chaser is more innocuous than a grifter.

I wish this were an article/column, but it’s a brief video if you want a journalist’s perspective: youtu.be/mYBN5Er8qOs

Nubbly_The_Moist, do gaming w Are you enjoying Palworld?
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The gameplay is very good up until level 40 and is definitely one of the more complete early access games.

So far I have not encountered any game breaking bugs, but the game itself does have tons of jank.

Now I am currently level 47, and can say that leveling from 40 to 50 is a hella grind and takes a lot of time and resources. Mainly time, as getting end game pokeballs takes a massive amount of resources that only pals can harvest, process, and then craft.

Also, the end game bosses are quite beefy and hit like a truck.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

That’s good to know. I haven’t felt the grind yet (level 20) but maybe level 40-something is where the devs’ early access content plateaued.

KoboldCoterie,
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For what it’s worth, if you customize the difficulty of your game (which you can do at any point, including after reaching the 40s), you can change most things, including resource drop rates and how much effort it takes to mine them, xp rates, Pal encounter rates, capture rates, etc.

I had a similar experience as you; by the time I hit 42 or so, I had the capture power maxed out, and most eggs were not giving me anything interesting, and I had the whole map revealed, so exploring had lost its luster and I was not enjoying the thought of grinding out another 6-8 levels to start being able to tackle some of the harder challenges in the game; I set the XP rate to x4, and doubled the resource rates, and it pretty much solved the problem for me.

Obviously if you’re playing on a server this isn’t an option, but if it’s just your own single player game, consider trying it; you might find some settings that smooth it out for you.

50gp,

yes id recommend turning on double resources or you will go mad mining thousands of ore and coal

SinAdjetivos,

If you build a base on/near a bunch of ore nodes and dedicate it entirely to mining your pals will mine it for you and it respawns daily (passive ore generation ftw!!!)

KoboldCoterie,
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There is a fairly nice base location near the center of the map that has ~6 coal and ~6 ore nodes, and is on a plateau making it functionally immune to NPC raids. I found it completely accidentally; there’s the 3 wildlife sanctuaries around the outside of the map and they all face inward at different angles, so I was trying to triangulate where they were “pointing” to see if it was leading somewhere. Turns out it was leading to a sweet base location.

This is noteworthy because there’s 4 resources (ore, coal, sulfur and quartz), so you need a base with access to 2 of them if you want to have all 4 generating passively.

Rolder,

For end game, how do you think the spheres feel? Cause I swear to god the ultra and legend spheres have bugged capture rates; no way I am getting the percentages those things advertise.

Nubbly_The_Moist, (edited )
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Lol, I know what you mean. Those legendary spheres say like 80-90% but it feels like a coin flip most of the time. I have had so many fail at like 95%.

I also noticed they tend to tick slower.

tacosanonymous,
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One of the things they stole from Pokémon is the idea that 70% is really more like 30%

Phen, do gaming w Are you enjoying Palworld?

The trailer looked uninteresting so I didn’t try it.

thisbenzingring,

Same. My friends are playing it but I’m not interested.

SeeJayEmm, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of January 28th
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I started playing Firewatch a while back and then got distracted. I recently picked that back up on my Steam Deck.

On the PC I’m playing Remnant 2 with my kid. I’m not into soulslikes but it’s not bad when there’s 2 of us.

I’ve also started playing Palworld to see what all the fuss is about. It is amazingly derivative. It’s like Ark and Pokemon had a baby with maybe some fortnite sprinkled in.

Maestro, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of January 28th
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I've been playing V Rising PvE with a friend. Pretty fun game. Much less grind than typical survival or basebuilding games. But the bosses are quite hard to compensate.

Moira_Mayhem, do gaming w Are you enjoying Palworld?

I have been playing the ever loving fuck out of it any chance I get.

It is like a mix between Dark Souls, Pokemon, Death Stranding and Return to Moria. I love all of those things.

Is there jank? Sure, but not enough to harm my gameplay.

I’ve felt legit nervous facing some of the bigger higher level Pals, and the exploration is very well designed and always engaging.

soulsource, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of January 28th
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After finishing my second playthrough of Loren the Amazon Princess, I’ve now started Tales of Aravorn: An Elven Marriage. And I must say, it is pretty good. From what I can tell up to now, I like Elven Marriage more than Loren, so it’s a bit sad, that it didn’t sell that well…

Apart from that I’m playing way too much Against the Storm. It’s a pretty fun city builder rogue-like. Basically Settlers, but only the fun parts, with a bit of random challenges sprinkled in.

I also tried to play Albion (the DOS game) again, but I died in my second battle and hadn’t saved from the beginning… 90s games were something different, when it comes to difficulty. I will definitely start over again soon, this time actually saving frequently.

squirrelwithnut, do games w Which games do you dislike, but the rest of the world loves them?

Breathe of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom are at the top of that list for me. The “old” style Zelda games are objectively better in terms of pacing and exploration. And I absolutely hate the weapon durability system in the better ones. I’ve read their reasoning behind it, but they’re wrong. It sucks and makes the game more about hoarding the good weapons and avoiding combat whenever possible, which is boring as shit.

cashews_best_nut,

Ocarina of Time was the peak Zelda game. 👍 Not played any others since.

DarkMetatron,

I never really got into 3D Zelda (but had some fun with most of them) and Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom are a absolute low for me mostly because of the ugly as hell art. Both games have the worst cell shader look I have seen in a very long time and it makes both games unplayable for me. I get kind of sea sick playing them (I tried at a friend’s place who loves both games).

GladiusB,
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I hate that I cannot follow the quests and progress in the story without looking up how to. If your world wasn’t built for a player to figure out by talking to NPCs, you built a crappy world.

HawlSera, (edited )

BOTW was fun for like 15 minutes and then I’m like “Wait, the whole game is like this? I’ll never see new dungeons or items that change the gameplay?”

Zelda can give me a call when the “OpEn WoRlD” fad dies down and they have something to offer that isn’t “Size of an ocean, depth of a pond.”

Drummyralf,

I really think the weapon durbility system is a mindset problem. It’s the same problem with any rpg where at the end of the game you have hundreds of unused potions “just in case”. Don’t get me wrong, it is still on the designers to change a players mindset about items.

But I found myself enjoying BotW and TotK waaaay more when I switched to: “I don’t care about my weapons, everything is expendable”

t3rmit3, do gaming w Are you enjoying Palworld?

I have about 45 hours in it so far, and I’m still loving it. It’s just really up my alley.

Krudler, do games w Which games do you dislike, but the rest of the world loves them?

Neverwinter Nights.

I’m not going to say it’s a bad game, but if I want to read a book, I’ll read a book.

BeardedChemGuy,

As an avid fan of NWN… this comment amuses me. You’re not wrong.

cashews_best_nut,

I tried to get into that game so many times but it was such a bloody slog!!! I’ve since found Torchlight I & II scratched that simple dungeony-DnD-ish itch.

Drummyralf,

I think I played the first chapter about 6 times. Everytime around the time I rescued the waterdavian creatures I get bored.

Crystal_Shards64, do games w Which games do you dislike, but the rest of the world loves them?

Rouge likes. I just can’t get into them. The only one I was able to sink any kind of time into was Hades. I actually enjoyed it a decent amount, but I find the gameplay loop for roguelikes just wears me out pretty quickly

Eggyhead, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of January 28th
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Monster Hunter World, again. Had been playing Sunbreak together until a friend wanted to prove world was the better game for some stupid reason. I genuinely like both, but SB was so much better for multiplayer.

northendtrooper, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of January 28th

Enshrouded. Loving it.

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