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ProdigalFrog, do gaming w Trying to play my old CDROM games on Windows10 and about to lose my marbles. Could you help me?

As others have said, you’re in that pocket of time where the game wants more than DOS, but less than modern windows, which isn’t well catered to. Your best option is a windows 98 or 95 virtual machine, which is doable, but not trivial or quick to set up.

Aelar64, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of December 10th
@Aelar64@kbin.social avatar

Finally finishing Celeste, after not playing it for a couple of years

Lately I've been playing Plants vs Zombies, and I was planning on playing Halo Infinite as soon as I can get the campaign to stop crashing when it first loads

GFGJewbacca,

Celeste is a wonderfully brutal game. I love the characters and the whole idea behind, “conquer a hard thing just to say I did it.” To be fair, that is what it feels like when climbing mountains or other large rock structures

Plants vs Zombies is the best tower defense game out there. Y’all can fight me on that.

Vipsu, (edited ) do games w Game devs should follow the BG3 development footprint
@Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

That approach works for some studios and some game projects but it’s no silver bullet. A lot of times gamers don’t know what they want until it’s handed on them on a silver platter which can make taking the correct kind of feedback really difficult. Sometimes outside influence may also stray the developers from their original vision.

That being said, developing game in complete secrecy for years and expecting it to become a success has pretty much the same chance as winning in a lottery. Getting MVP out there asap to see if the game will receive any sort of traction and feedback is generally the best approach unless it already has an audience (sequel or well known developer). It can be prototype, demo or early access as long as it’s something.

[edit] Removed some repetition

Stillhart, do gaming w LOL? lol

Is that game still the poster child for toxic gamers? Been years since I played but I would never let my kid play that game.

It’s sad because it is pretty fun when you get into it and when you have people to play with. But it really only takes one person to ruin a match for nine other people by trolling/feeding/etc. I ended up quitting because it was just WAY too toxic.

The shit people used to say in that game… like nothing I’ve heard in any other game. Literally talking about

spoilerraping people

like that’s somehow acceptable shit talking. Curious if it’s gotten any better… it certainly couldn’t have gotten any worse.

Xel,
@Xel@mujico.org avatar

It’s somewhat better but heavily depends on what you play and how you play it. Empirically, it’s better as now I only find toxic players every 20 games or so, when before it was like 1/2. But I also recommend to just mute everything and everyone and stick to ARAM if you don’t like toxicity.

Stillhart,

Oh yeah, I forgot they added an official ARAM mode. Back when I played, it was a custom game thing and kinda honor system to stay in the middle lane. I played it a lot before I quit for the low stress environment. Kinda want to check it out now. Shame/not-shame I can’t because I’m on linux.

Xel,
@Xel@mujico.org avatar

I recommend it a lot, it’s very entertaining for team fights and quick tactics, rather than waiting 20 mins for the fun to begin or waiting for your JG to do something in SR

Pseu,

I played a long while ago and a string of similar incidents eventually made me leave.

I came back ~6months ago, and it was more chill, but still not great.

I will say that if you’re in a group of 3 or more non-toxic people, you almost never get toxic players. Not only because you’ve only got 2 chances to roll low rather than 4, but also because they’re more aware that probably won’t get anywhere.

batcheck,

Not sure when they added this (maybe season 10) , but you can mute in game by default. I use it. You can still see pings and emotes. When someone is obviously griefing with pings, I mute them completely.

The game is a much better experience that way. Chat in that game is overrated. Plus without all the none sense people spew in chat it’s easier to find flash and summoner timers

Stillhart,

People were begging for auto-mute back when I was playing. I realize that it’s a team game and they don’t want to discourage communication but they were well aware of the toxicity. They implemented the Tribunal system to try to address it. Didn’t do much in the short term. Glad rito caved on the auto-mute.

TIN,

I played (and lost) 3 games, no-one said or typed anything at all that I could see, though that may be an artefact of a super low elo game?

Stillhart,

Possible you’re in a noobie bracket where they keep you away from experienced players so you can learn with less stress… and get into the game before you realize how toxic it can be. :-D

But glad it’s good so far! It really is a fun game. I played for a couple years despite all the toxicity so yeah.

Evkob,
@Evkob@lemmy.ca avatar

I’ve been playing Counter-Strike for over a decade and I still can’t handle the LoL community. That alone should indicate how toxic it is.

wick,

I recently played battlebit and experienced more bigotry and toxity in an hour than I have in a year of casual league play. I heard the n word more times in that hour then I have ever seen in league, since season 6.

Stillhart,

Never heard of it, but I’ll be sure to keep away in the future, thx.

AlolanYoda, do gaming w Trying to play my old CDROM games on Windows10 and about to lose my marbles. Could you help me?

How old are these games? What OS did you play them in? Better question: which games specifically?

What are the contents of the CD? If every file has an uppercase name then it’s likely to be a DOS game and DOSBox really is your best option.

If they are point-and-click adventure games, look into ScummVM, it may be easier than messing with DOSBox.

SharkEatingBreakfast,

1994 - 1996 and beyond. Originally played on Win98, currently on Win10. Trying out several different CDROMS, but I’ve been testing out an old “Learning in Toyland” CD, but I also have an old “Yukon Trail” CD I’m trying to boot up.

I’ve tried DOSBOX, but I keep getting messages like “requires Windows” or whatnot. Like HOE, I HAVE WINDOWS AND IT DON’T EVEN WORK

SurfinBird,

Dosbox is for dos games ;) If they ran on Win98 then try them on Win98 again. Get something like Virtualbox and make yourself a Win98 machine to play with.

rudyharrelson,
@rudyharrelson@kbin.social avatar

Seconding the recommendation for Virtualbox. Wanted to play my old Lego Island CD a few years ago and I just booted it up in an old Windows VM. Worked like a charm.

shapesandstuff,

Great comment, exactly right.

Hilarious to imagine from the perspective of a non tech savy person though: your virtual machine program “something box” is for the other old windows, not the old windows you want. Get this “other box” windows thing to make the right old windows so you can play windows games on your windows pc.

HidingCat,

Have you tried installing a copy of Windows in Dosbox, then install the game from there? I remember doing something like that to play the original SimTower.

Very likely the game is 16 bit mode, which is why nothing in Windows 10's compatibility mode is working, as it doesn't support 16 bit programs.

AnonTwo,

Ahhh....you're trying to play Windows 3.1 games...that's why you're having issues...yeah emulation for Windows 3.1's random differences from Windows 95 and DOS are surprisingly rare still.

There's no dedicated emulator for Windows 3.1 yet. I personally installed a copy onto Doxbox, but it's not a very easy solution.

But I can tell it's 3.1 cause one of those is The Learning Company and the later versions of the Super Solver games have the same issues.

ninjan, do gaming w Trying to play my old CDROM games on Windows10 and about to lose my marbles. Could you help me?

This varies between “functionally impossible” to “tricky but doable” depending on the game. Generally speaking getting old games to run via using the original media is very hard. The easiest way is to buy them again on GOG.com. Second easiest is to quasi-legaly (legal in my country, illegal in others) download a pirated copy of the GOG version. The other options I’d need to know which game before I promise anything.

SharkEatingBreakfast,

I have to re-buy games I already own? 🫠

Jrockwar,

Unfortunately in the 2020s you don’t even own the games you have the physical media for.

Edit: as a more serious answer, Linux might be a better bet than Windows for playing windows games (ironically), either through Proton or Wine.

ninjan,

Well not if you can dig up and get running the computer you bought the games for, or one say 5-10 years younger. Windows XP will do for anything on a CD, Windows 95 for anything on a 3.5 floppy. 5.25 floppy then most will run on 3.1.

It’s just that it’s a lot of work ensuring backwards compatibility and it’s not always a good idea, I’d argue the software world, in general, strive to much for backwards compatibility but that’s another discussion.

That work needs funding so it’s either pay GOG for the work that has been done remaking parts or repacking to make it run on modern computers. Or look to the hobbyist side of things but since they aren’t paid, they of course seldom package what they do in an easy to consume format leading to enormous guides with 20 steps that maybe works, but probably not if you don’t have an exact setup like the guy who wrote its.

shapesandstuff,

Gog has some ways to claim drm-free digital versions of gsmes you bouhht elsewhere. May be worth a shot.

tiramichu,

You own a version of the games, sure, but the version you own is effectively useless on a modern system.

Perhaps the taste is less sour if you consider what you are paying for here is someone else doing the hard work to get an old game to run on modern hardware, saving you all that frustration and effort and time.

EvaUnit02,
@EvaUnit02@kbin.social avatar

You're trying to get games built for a different OS (e.g., Win98) to run on your current OS. If it doesn't work out-of-the-box, you're going to need to seek a solution that either requires emulation or significant hoops to jump through. For example: if the game was built for a 16-bit machine, and you're running a 64-bit version of Windows, the game is just not going to work natively.

DOSBox may not work as it's an x86 emulator intended for MS-DOS. However, earlier versions of Windows (up to Win95) were just shells to MS-DOS. So, if the games in question were built for Win95 or earlier, DOSBox could be an option. I've also successfully installed Win98 on DOSBox but have run in to issues with drivers.

It may be best to simply list the games you're trying to get running and seeing if someone else has gotten them to run in Win10.

lemann,

From GoG specifically, as they patch the older games on their store to “just run” on modern Windows

Arthur_Leywin, do games w Game devs should follow the BG3 development footprint

I hope Titan Quest 2 will be good too.

papabobolious,

It’s under a different studio than the original. The original devs are releasing a new DLC for Grim Dawn, though.

whereBeWaldo,

Its crazy that they still update that game and I love it

Destraight,

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  • goobermembson,

    Grim Dawn early access started in like 2013. It’s old, bro.

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  • whereBeWaldo,

    Yeah and? I don’t know what are you trying to say here, its not like I said “Its crazy that Grim Dawn still gets updates unlike WoW”. Do I really need type out all the old games that still get updates when I want to talk about one?

    Zahille7,

    You wanna know another old game that still gets updates? Project Zomboid. /J

    But really though Zomboid has also been in early access since like 2013 and it’s still getting actively updated. Not to mention all the mods available on the steam workshop.

    9cpluss, do games w The Game Awards 2023: List of Winners

    Cyberpunk winning best ongoing game is such a joke. Yes, I enjoyed the DLC but if any game with DLC and updates can be part of that category then that category has no meaning at all.

    Stern,
    @Stern@lemmy.world avatar

    Could make a category of, “Why? I ask again, why?” and include Dave the Diver being nominated as an indie game along with it.

    9cpluss, (edited )

    Friends Per Second podcast had an interesting discussion around it. The term Indie isn’t well defined. Maybe never was. Most people probably see DtD as indie even though it had a publisher. A new category could be “independent” which actually has games that were published independently.

    Renacles,

    Indie literally means independent.

    9cpluss,

    Yes, indie is short for independent but the meaning of “indie” game isn’t as clear cut anymore (was it ever?). As you can see with Dave the Diver.

    Renacles,

    I can see that but I’d argue most people agree that being funded by Nexon is neither independent nor indie.

    Zero,

    It has nothing to do with DLC. I think it deserved the award. Instead of just letting the game die that it shouldn’t have released in the first place. They fixed it.

    9cpluss,

    I think we might have different expectations here. I think if a company sells a broken game, they should fix it without praise. The consumers paid for it. Specially should they not get an award for that. There should be a category for “most stable release” instead.

    OscarRobin,

    Exactly. I can’t believe how much praise people are giving Cyberpunk for not being broken anymore. Like bro that ain’t an achievement.

    Ketloch,

    Yeah, what actually happened here is they put out a broken, unfinished game 3 years ago, have spent the last 3 years on damage control and fixing it (which means it never changed overall price on the store like a 3 year old game should) and now they want you to buy an Xpac and the ultimate edition so they can sell it again, still for full price. It’s not worth an award, it’s scummy.

    loki_d20,

    I think the reason it gets praised is because it’s very rare that poor games get as much time and investment into fixing in this day and age. Most companies will just move on to the next game or even use AI to write their apology letters and then abandon the game entirely.

    EntirelyUnlovable,
    @EntirelyUnlovable@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah I feel that, Rage 2 still has a game breaking bug that will lock you out of your perma-death run on the final mission with just never got fixed.

    Cexcells,

    It’s not a live service game though.

    NOT_RICK,
    @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

    Awarded to a game for outstanding development of ongoing content that evolves the player experience over time.

    Its best ongoing game, not best live service game. I think things like Stardew Valley or No Man’s Sky fit into this just like Cyberpunk did because devs should be praised for when they go above and beyond. I’d argue CDPR owed that to their fans but still, they mostly pulled it off.

    sigmaklimgrindset,

    Didn’t they announce that they weren’t going to do anymore updates besides bug changes like…last week? Am I hallucinating that?

    NOT_RICK,
    @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

    Cyberpunk? Think that’s right but I’d argue that would put them out of the running of this category in 2024 rather than this year’s.

    sigmaklimgrindset,

    Yes, Cyberpunk, sorry I didn’t clarify. And I agree with the 2024 take too.

    As someone who is industry adjacent and has worked with people who work on games that are actively updated and improved for years…idk the Cyberpunk win doesn’t sit right with me. I have all the sympathy for the devs at CDPR and what they went through during the initial launch of the game, but this win just shows upper management at dev companies that they can get rewarded for releasing unfinished projects and finishing them later.

    It’s also funny that they won against FFXIV, an actual good example of a game that was nuked to the ground and rebuilt with continuous support because of it’s initial failure.

    NOT_RICK,
    @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s a reasonable take. I think the win speaks to how much of a marketing even this show is.

    sigmaklimgrindset,

    Lol, thanks! r/gaming did not like my take 😂

    mcmoor,

    Wait, FFXIV do deserve it much more how tf Cyberpunk wins. Still, isn’t their best updates one or two years ago? Did they win last year?

    LucidNightmare,

    Shit, if that’s the case, I would rather Stardew or No Man’s get it because THOSE games actually added and improved the whole game with each update!

    And this is coming from someone who was able to play Cyberpunk at launch with minimal bugs and actually enjoyed it and still do!

    GoodEye8,

    There’s a huge indie scene with loads of ongoing games that would be far more deserving of the award than Cyberpunk. Cyberpunk literally stopped major developments with 2.0, the rest you’re going to get are easy to include content and QoL. Compare that to Dwarf Fortress that has 20+ years of development and is only 50% done with the final vision. You could probably also stick Terraria there because despite the devs saying multiple times that they’re done they’re still updating the game. I’m sure there’s more but those two were just at the top of my head.

    The only merit CP77 has to be on that list is fixing a broken game. Do you think CP77 would’ve won the award if it had release in the 2.0 state and gotten 3 years of additional development? Would it even make it into the nominees list? I don’t think so.

    Coelacanth,
    @Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

    I’m convinced they had Cyberpunk win it because they don’t have a “Best DLC/Expansion” category (yet) and felt like Cyberpunk deserved to win something for the way 2.0 and Phantom Liberty revitalised it.

    9cpluss,

    That’s fair. Might actually be a good category.

    andy_wijaya_med,
    @andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world avatar

    True. Lol. Offline single player RPG isnt an ongoing game.

    Phegan,

    Also, fixing your fucked it game isn’t ongoing either. CP2077 in this category is a disgrace. They shipped a buggy game, released DLC and actually finished the game and then won an award for it. Bullshit.

    Chickerino, do gaming w Trying to play my old CDROM games on Windows10 and about to lose my marbles. Could you help me?

    try using pcem or other kinds of virtualisation

    ares35, do gaming w Trying to play my old CDROM games on Windows10 and about to lose my marbles. Could you help me?
    @ares35@kbin.social avatar

    sourcing an older computer that can run xp isn't terribly difficult, or expensive. don't need internets for them, don't need massive video card, or a big high-res monitor. in the end, finding one, and a little space to set it up, is a lot easier and with far fewer headaches than getting many of the old games to run on 'modern' windows or linux.

    i have systems from an old celeron 300a to dual core am2 to play the really old games on.. even have crt and white kb/mouse for the full 'experience'.

    Astaroth, do gaming w Trying to play my old CDROM games on Windows10 and about to lose my marbles. Could you help me?

    I tried to get some JumpStart games to run with DOSBOX a few years ago on Windows 7. Iirc I managed to install but not run the game.

    I recently tried a bit to try and get another 16bit game run on Arch Linux with WINE in win98 or 95 mode but that still didn’t pan out.

    Honestly it’s probably doable in some way without one but next time I try I’ll probably use a VM (Virtual Machine).

    Kolanaki, do gaming w Trying to play my old CDROM games on Windows10 and about to lose my marbles. Could you help me?
    !deleted6508 avatar

    It would help to know specific games, as many games of that era require extra fan made patches to run on modern systems. You could buy them again from GOG with these already packaged with it, but depending on the game, there is probably a free option available to you if you have the original discs.

    averyminya, do gaming w LOL? lol

    Alrighty it’s been some years since I’ve played but a lot of the answers here don’t get the full picture.

    Everyone talking about toxicity isn’t wrong, but that’s more often at the high level/ranked levels of play. It can happen in random lobbies of course, but it’s far less frequent. What I suggest here is cautiously eyeing the mute all chat. Sometimes it can be helpful to type messages, sometimes people say awful, awful things. From the former, sometimes you can learn. From the latter, it’s pointless to even bother to try.

    I would suggest keeping in game chat turned off.

    Use online build guides - the meta of the game changes pretty consistently based on updates and nerfs to the characters. Your best bet for consistency is picking one character to learn - I suggest going by what feels most fun abilities wise.

    Another thing here to keep in mind is there are roles in this game, top is often tanky, mid is often AP heavy, and bottom is often ADC and healer. (may have changed since I played).

    Until about level 10 - tanks will be on their own a lot at the beginning, mostly just trying to survive being team-attacked (a gank) and planning with the team when to come in to help.

    Mid keeps an eye on top and bottom lane, mostly keeping the other mid-laner occupied. Once in a while you go up top to 2v1 or down bottom to 3v1. Sometimes people come to you, but I wouldn’t expect it.

    Bottom has to be watchful for ganks, and you need to work with your healer to make sure you get minion kills. You two are pretty much on your own as the only paired teammates, however occasionally a teammate will come down to help push.

    During all of this, the first 9 levels or so (may be less, again it’s been a while) you will be placing vision items on the ground to avoid being ganked and setting up the items for your late game build. During this You’ll want to avoid being killed and major risks. You’ll just be following what the build guides say, but it can be helpful to learn what aspects of what you are affecting. In brief, there is magic damage (AP) and physical damage (AD). The ADC class mostly uses AD, but there are characters who can use either/both. The other surrounding stats matter in other ways, but those two are the main focus.

    So for example, your ADC character picks items that increase their speed, attack speed, and damage. But now the enemy has an item that mitigates physical attack damage, so you can decide to buy an item that ignores a % of armor.

    These items eventually are bought into bigger versions of it, so the item you start with sets you down a path, the other items you choose supplementing what you’re missing.

    Around level 10 the individual dynamic begins to fade and you begin to group together as a team. During team fights you’ll want to stay together with your team, really the best thing overall is to be there when it happens. Around the next 5 levels and depending on the circumstances, your team may go find the monsters who give buffs - there’s the dragon which gives the whole team money, and the baron which gives the whole team a buff. These you have to go a little out of the way for, but they can be very strong strategic choices. You can also witness the enemy team fighting these, and attempt to steal the kill for it, giving your team the benefits instead.

    Finally, I would say get comfortable with one character of each role. You can’t always be _____, sometimes people just pick first. Other than that, just do your best to have fun with your son. Don’t worry about min/maxing if it isn’t fun, don’t worry about other teammates complaining if you are legitimately trying, and for the love of all things don’t spend money on this game - it will only unlock characters you can unlock for free or give you visual aesthetic skins that don’t actually affect anything. They don’t need your support and you don’t need their offerings.

    wildeaboutoskar,
    @wildeaboutoskar@beehaw.org avatar

    Good post, agree with this. I enjoyed playing it a few years ago, don’t let the bastards get you down.

    Ashe and Lux ftw.

    bridge_too_close, (edited ) do games w Game devs should follow the BG3 development footprint
    @bridge_too_close@kbin.social avatar

    A lot of devs already do this. That's what Steam Early Access is for. Now, whether or not the devs actually listen to feedback is a different story...

    Carighan,
    @Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

    Early Access is just “release”. Only the devs openly admit ahead of time the game is buggy and unfinished, and promise - as always - to fix it up and add the missing parts.

    Often they do. Sometimes they don’t.

    TBH it’s ultimately nothing but a shitty buggy release, but the honesty of making that known ahead of time buys a whole lot of goodwill. It should be the default, that any publisher releasing a game that is not finished - so most AAA nowadays - marks it as Early Access, openly declaring the unfinished part.

    It’s also very different from a beta version, which is usually feature and content complete (otherwise it’s generally called an alpha). Early Access versions are often very early in the development process, they’re feature-complete-ish, but never or rarely content complete, usually just starting out on that. This works exceedingly well for games that need “just more stuff”, but can miss the mark on games that need underlying systems reworked as this ires the existing playerbase and splits it.

    bridge_too_close,
    @bridge_too_close@kbin.social avatar

    Early access isn't necessarily different from a beta version, it's just the name of the program used by devs to generate some revenue and get feedback during development. The game can be in alpha or beta or whatever.

    Personally, I avoid games in early access on principle (with a couple exceptions) as I would rather play them once they are completed.

    Carighan,
    @Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

    Same, I got little enough gaming time, might as well play it once it’s in its best state and play something else before that.

    yamanii,
    @yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

    I disagree, big publishers do not deserve early access, they have money to pay for QA, it’s a gross misuse of the feature.

    this_is_router, do gaming w LOL? lol
    @this_is_router@feddit.de avatar

    I have played lol for 10 years. Last week, due to some updates lol doesn’t run on Linux at the moment, I switched to dota. I know exactly what you are talking about.

    Celestial6370,

    Just switched to Linux recently and I’m missing league way more than I expected. Game is ablast! As for what champions to pick look for straightforward kits you have enough to learn about the map and game states to get bogged down in a champ like aphelios. You are looking for easy to execute combos and abilities.

    this_is_router,
    @this_is_router@feddit.de avatar

    in the past it usually took a few days for someone to get it working again, but this time it might be some kind of cheat detection.

    fortunately dota works as a substitude drug for me

    wick,

    I can’t play that game, having to wait for a turning animation on every auto makes my blood pressure spike.

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