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GustavoM, do games w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

I know that cheating ruins games and all, but straightaway opening a hole on my system because of such isn’t the right way to deal with it.

Fizz, do games w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

The worst part is it doesn’t even stop cheating.

catlover, do gaming w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation

is cheaters in lol this bad? are there more cheaters compared to for ex.: dota? and if yes, why? does the lol game implementation allow it?

algotritm,

If I’ve understood correctly it’s partly scripters/cheaters, partly botting that are the main problems right now, in high and low ranks respectively.

According to some of the discussions I read there’s been a sharp increase in cheating/botting ever since the League source code was leaked.

wabafee, do games w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation
@wabafee@lemmy.world avatar

Lol, they can shove their games up to their rectum.

the_q, do gaming w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation

Hey, Dehydrated. I really wish you wouldn’t spam the same article in 20 places a few seconds apart.

Die4Ever,
@Die4Ever@programming.dev avatar

I mean isn’t that how it’s supposed to be done? You post to all relevant communities? Lemmy even has a feature to deduplicate posts in your feed that have the same link URL, to reduce the repetition in your feed

If it’s still annoying then maybe the software needs to handle it better, because I don’t think only posting to a single community is good. Everyone else gets left out, especially when you consider some communities will be on defederated instances.

0x1C3B00DA,
@0x1C3B00DA@kbin.social avatar

As long as there are multiple communities for the same topic, users are going to post the same links to multiple communities. The software has to handle it better. I submitted a proposal to solve it, but one of the lemmy devs have said explicitly that they won't implement it and they don't think duplicate posts are an issue.

Die4Ever, (edited )
@Die4Ever@programming.dev avatar

I think keeping the comments separate is probably still a good thing. There might be another way to improve it

I think once we get a system for multi-communities or grouping communities, we could revisit this issue

corus_kt, do games w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation

What a massive freaking L for Riot, Vanguard was the reason why I didn’t play Valorant

Lividpeon, do games w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation

Uninstalled

JJROKCZ, do games w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation

Haven’t played LOL in years but TFT is fun occasionally… guess it’s time to uninstall that launcher and completely cut off riot from my machine then

Anamana,
@Anamana@feddit.de avatar

Just play it on the phone

Immersive_Matthew, do games w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation

Delusional.

Enkers, do games w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation

No game is worth installing a root-kit for. Shame.

xep,

What makes an anticheat a rootkit? Rootkits are malicious and don't generally come with EULAs and uninstallers.

Enkers, (edited )

What makes an anticheat a rootkit?

A kernel-mode driver that runs at boot time. If your game doesn’t run in user space, I don’t want it on my system.

Jarvis2323,

A piece of kit that has root access. No game should have that level of access to your system.

Aurix, do gaming w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation

Is the cheating in LoL that bad from somebody who regularly plays at least middle level ranked games? I am very glad to have it for Valorant compared to the mess Counter-Strike is in. Kernel level anti-cheats are a must nowadays to lift the barrier to entry which excludes quite a bunch of cheaters.

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

cheaters control the hardware, there will always be workarounds and cheaters will end up cheating anyway. the financial incentive is there: cheaters pay good money and even subscriptions for cheats.

legitimate players on the other hand get a slower game, invasive and insecure anticheat, and is more limited otherwise (eg. linux cant play lol anymore, etc)

Aurix,

Do you know how clean Valorant is to play compared to Counter-Strike? Definitely worth it. Shooters just don’t work anymore without kernel level anti-cheat. The demand is real that even third party add-ons are used to play with them, e. g. Face It for Counter-Strike. It doesn’t stop all cheats and never will, but makes cheating expensive enough to exclude many.

The famous Escape from Tarkov Wiggle video should put it into perspective.

The Linux - FOSS user group of Lemmy is obviously mad, but that is the new reality.

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

no because it doesnt run on my machine and i dont want riot poking around my computer but i dont remember seeing a cheater in csgo in a loong time. i havent played cs in a while, but kernel level anticheat will eventually be cracked if it isnt already, it is inevitable.

jaeme,

Yeah no thanks I don’t think companies should hand out rootkits to unsuspecting users.

Of course this is capitalist laziness that will envelop the entire proprietary games industry, the only way to kick out cheaters is better net code and actually scaled moderation, but those things cost money and maintnence (as well as dedicated playerbase).

To think otherwise is to boot lick these multi-million dollar corporations.

Aurix,

What a terrible, uneducated comment. The anti-cheat solutions cost developers tons of money. Better netcode to disable wall hacking? Do you just randomly create arguments for your point? There is already as much engine and netcode obfuscation as feasible, strategy games render only few units into the fog of war. You need first a big enough barrier before you collapse the labour intensive moderation which can yield false positives.

Something something capitalism bad.

jaeme,

Whatever you say, at least I’m not the one advocating for people to install spyware from any Tom, Dick and Harry that claims it will “fix cheating”

The other solution is to simply not play those games. It’s bad enough that the game itself is nonfree, but if it has DRM/relies on a nonfree network service then it should be ostracized.

But those things require having a spine, so I doubt you’d like them.

Aurix,

It is not a claim, it is a fact the cheating hurdle is higher. You clearly are not the target demographic, not affected by cheats and not interested, so you really should not tell others what to do with their hobbies.

demonsword,
@demonsword@lemmy.world avatar

Kernel level anti-cheats are a must nowadays to lift the barrier to entry which excludes quite a bunch of cheaters.

$40 ain’t much of a barrier to entry

Aurix,

Counter-Strike 2 cheats run for $10 per month and Valorant is not just higher priced but sometimes listed as Out of Stock, so I guess certain providers got striked down.

cm0002, do games w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation

Fuck that, fuck kernel anti-cheats. Third party AVs have caused enough BSODs because of their kernel hooks and was finally able to free myself when MS defender actually got good.

Abucketofpuppies, do games w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation

Welp, I guess that’s another game I’m never touching again.

SatouKazuma, do gaming w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation
@SatouKazuma@lemmy.world avatar

Um…hell fucking no?

Celestial6370, do gaming w Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software for League of Legends, Following Valorant's Implementation

Looks like I can’t play league anymore I switched to full Linux recently

TheShadow277,
@TheShadow277@slrpnk.net avatar

It’s really unfortunate. Wonder if there will be a workaround or if that’s even possible. I’m not keeping a windows boot just for League of Legends tbh

Celestial6370,

I’ve never run a virtual machine I wonder if that would make it possible. But yeah I don’t want to dual boot

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