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funkless_eck, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

"what funding?"is a dumb question. all companies have funding. especially software. very few companies legit started in a basement and progressed to international status relying purely on profit and loss sheets.

Akrenion,

It is not when replying to the comment. There was no funding for being a dnd game. They are simply lying for their point.

theodewere,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

you are ignorant.. you don't understand what he's talking about.. they are both talking about VC funding.. that means Venture Capital, which you did not know.. for some reason you are here being ignorant and loud about something you do not understand..

sadreality,

You ain't wrong but why so smug?

Learn some tact if you are actually looking to educate people

theodewere, (edited )
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

maybe it's important, but i appreciate your feedback.. it's good for the discussion..

funkless_eck,

Larian recieved debt funding to found in 2009, late stage VC in 2011 (presumably to offset loan repayments), recieved ongoing support from Arkafund VC and has crowd funded every year 2013–2019. Tencent bought 3006 shares for 30% stake in either 2020 or '21 (not sure exact date).

caseofthematts,

Just as an FYI, the user who posted “what funding?” Works for Larian; director of publishing.

NuPNuA,

The OP intimated they received funding from WotC to make the game. They didn’t.

antaymonkey, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Uhh… today’s AAA studios have THOUSANDS of employees, hundreds of millions of dollars in budgets, and huge IPs on which to draw. Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Assassin’s Creed, Diablo, Warcraft, Mass Effect, Dragon Age… these studios have VASTLY larger resources than Larian. Like, an order of magnitude larger. This is gaslighting and whining. I’m not having it. Do better, AAA devs. Do a lot better.

DreamySweet,
@DreamySweet@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

That’s why their games suck. Smaller teams and budgets make better products.

thepianistfroggollum,

It’s really not the team size, but rather the management that comes with it.

The devs aren’t the problem 99% of the time.

RaincoatsGeorge,

Well I wouldn’t say that exactly. GTA 5 had a huge budget and a huge team and it’s objectively a better product if you compare the two (which is only to say they’re both great games but the bigger budget game has and does more).

It’s a matter of the motivations of the developers and their financial backers. If your goal is to make an ok game that maximizes profit focused mechanics, most of these AAA developers are hitting the mark perfectly. If your focus is to make a good game like it seemed to be with the BG devs, they absolutely hit the mark and are being rewarded for it.

This is just a reminder to an industry that is trying to tell us that pay to win mechanics are the standard that they do not in fact get to dictate what those standards are. We do. If a game is shit people will abandon it even if you poured millions into that product. The recent battlefield game is a prime example of this. Even something as guaranteed as a new battlefield game isn’t enough to overcome a shitty leadership team emphasizing the wrong things. The community bailed on their product and they’ll never get them back. All those millions in guaranteed revenue are gone forever.

DreamySweet,
@DreamySweet@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

GTA 5 does not look like a better product to me.

Shiggles,

GTA V story mode was an excellent game, but it’s hard to realistically say a game from one genre is better than another, apples and oranges and all that.

GTA V’s online multiplayer, however, at this point is such a shitstain that I think it alone is enough to make the distinction clear.

DreamySweet,
@DreamySweet@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

but it’s hard to realistically say a game from one genre is better than another, apples and oranges and all that.

I agree.

RaincoatsGeorge,

It is. But only in so far as the content and scope of the game far surpasses anything a smaller developer could ever hope to accomplish. You may prefer one over the other, totally fine, but objectively speaking you get way more out of gta 5 content and scope wise than bg3.

As others point out gta online is a dumpster fire but it’s still massive and allows you to do endless amounts of things, racing, heists, owning property, running businesses, etc.

DreamySweet,
@DreamySweet@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

More content doesn’t mean better, especially when that content isn’t the kind that I find enjoyable.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

This is just a reminder to an industry that is trying to tell us that pay to win mechanics are the standard that they do not in fact get to dictate what those standards are. We do.

Quoting for emphasis. We control the purse, we have the voting power of the wallet.

csolisr,

Not AAA devs, they’re doing what they can. The problem is with the AAA CEOs

ninja,

💯

Ilandar,

Not AAA devs, they’re doing what they can.

Blaming consumers, in this instance. You could well be right that the problem is internal but in that case that’s where it needs to solved. Or if they want to get the support of consumers, be honest with their reasoning. Crying that the expectations of consumers are too high doesn’t help at all. It just makes them seem out of touch with reality.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Blaming consumers

No, blaming CEOs and the c-suites

monobot,

When I read ‘AAA devs’ in this context I see it as ‘AAA game development companies’ not programers and artists working in them.

Atomic,

They’re scared. There’s no excuse anymore. And people have become aware of it.

MrBodyMassage,

The Divinity games are some of my favorites ever made. It makes me giddy that BG3 is doing so well to embarrass big companies 😂

FlashMobOfOne,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

This is partly why I ponied up full price.

I want more games from Larian.

CertifiedBlackGuy,

I bought the game 4 times.

Twice for me, and a copy for 2 of my friends.

Pretty cool seeing one of them log a ton of hours in it after working. Like, I gave them that happiness :')

Goronmon,

Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Assassin’s Creed, Diablo, Warcraft, Mass Effect, Dragon Age… these studios have VASTLY larger resources than Larian.

I wouldn't be surprised if the team that worked on Skyrim was significantly smaller than the Larian team that worked on BG3.

antaymonkey,

Perhaps? But Skyrim is also 12 years old. Whatever team is working in Elder Scrolls 6 is certainly not smaller than Larian’s.

Fylkir,

Skyrim had under 100 employees.

LazaroFilm,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

IMO the most important distinction is a game that puts play experience first vs profit.

dmmeyournudes, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Just ignore the day 1 DLC.

AlteredStateBlob,
@AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social avatar

What day 1 DLC? The Deluxe edition cosmetic stuff?

dmmeyournudes,

That’s called a micro transaction, yes.

AlteredStateBlob,
@AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social avatar

Just clarifying what you meant. I thought I missed something. DLC to my mind is like... an extra race or somthing a bit more relevant than purely cosmetic stuff. Not going to argue semantics here, fair enough to call that a micro transaction and it's certainly DLC.

dmmeyournudes,

“no additional purchases” their words, not mine.

AlteredStateBlob,
@AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social avatar

I'm not even disagreeing with you and that quote didn't show up anywhere in this thread? But alright, you do you.

dmmeyournudes,

the developers made the claim.

SCB,

That’s a courtesy for people who didn’t pre-order but want the dice cosmetic. It was originally a pre-order exclusive but they changed it when asked to.

dmmeyournudes,

“no additional purchases” their words, not mine.

SCB,

This is a really stupid hill to die on my man

dmmeyournudes,

they’re the one making the claims, not me.

SCB,

But you are the one tilting at this windmill.

stillwater,

What’s the transaction?

Neato,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

$10 purchase for soundtrack, dice skin and some DSO2 cosmetics that everyone who bought the game in early access gets. This allows everyone else to purchase.

stillwater,

So if you don’t get the soundtrack, there’s no transaction?

mojo,

What one of those items prevents you from having enjoyment in the game? You just start with a lil cool cosmetic cape. It’s not a battle pass.

ObsidianBlk,
@ObsidianBlk@lemmy.world avatar

Even excluding the cosmetics, this DLC includes the soundtrack. I haven’t purchased it myself (yet), but I’d imagine that a soundtrack to a game with over 200 hours of cinematic would be rather extensive (again, I have not seen it, so I don’t know). Even if it’s only 30 to 40 minutes of music, at $10, that’s at least on par with the cost of most albums anywhere else. I feel it’s got to be more than only 30ish minutes of music, though, so, for the album alone the price seems legit.

OrgunDonor,

Just to add more information about the sound track, it is 43 tracks in both MP3 and WAV formats. The runtime of those 43 tracks is 2:26:57.

joe,
@joe@lemmy.world avatar

You consider DLC a microtransaction?

Edit: Maybe I’m just too old, but I thought microtransactions were something you get prompted to purchase while playing the game. Is that no longer the case?

Nipah,
@Nipah@kbin.social avatar

Microtransactions are 'small' purchases made in a game (or via some kind of store that allows you to buy stuff to be used inside of a game).

DLC is any additional downloadable content that is not included with the game (so something like a day 1 patch wouldn't be considered DLC, I'd say).

All microtransations are DLC, but not all DLC are microtransactions, generally (before someone comes along with some kind of physical microtransaction or something I guess)

I personally just view microtransations as anything that isn't 'playable content'. So buying a mount from an in-game store would be a microtransaction, while buying an expansion wouldn't be. Map packs kind of blur the line in this instance, because one could argue that they're essentially 'world cosmetics', but its a hard and fast rule and not something I'd try to enforce as a law, ya know?

joe,
@joe@lemmy.world avatar

It’s clear that there are multiple different definitions that people have for “microtransactions”. I think it’s safe to assume that larian has a definition similar to mine. No time in the game that I’ve noticed did I get prompted to buy the DLC. In fact, I didn’t buy it; it seems early access people got it for free.

Neato,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

It's the soundtrack and some DSO2 cosmetics that everyone who bought the game during early access got for free. They're selling it to everyone else for $10.

Technically it's DLC, not MTX as MTX almost always entails individual purchases of items, usually in-game. It's more of a Collector's Edition than anything. That no one seems to care about, even the people who detest predatory practices.

dmmeyournudes,

There are items with in game power in that bundle.

Neato,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

Do you mean the Mask of the Shapeshifter? That allows, once per long rest, to change appearance to another random character. Effectively a Disguise Self cast.

There's also the dagger that's 4-7 weapon. But I replaced that before I even dealt with the goblin camp. There's so many magic items I wasn't worried about it.

The biggest coup is the hat and cape. They offer no bonuses but they look so fly I'm probably never taking them off.

whenigrowup356, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Yeah, don’t expect funding for AAA games!

Wait…

Orphan,

To the contrary, they had to pay to have the IP

Xanvial, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Tencent owns 30% of Larian iirc, so most likely from them

Frogster8,

Interesting I didn’t know that, how long have they owned 30%?

This post is a bit reminiscent of r/gamercirclejerk but at least your comment taught me something new and salvaged it

Xanvial,

Not sure, at least since 2021 twitter.com/GamerTrader1/…/1431899588324175873

crypticthree,

Well someone posted a screenshot on Twitter so it must be true…

mojo,

Okay but an actual source?

Or is this a “trust me bro” thing

Xanvial,
SturgiesYrFase,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

☝️ This guy Sources!

Steeve,

A source on Lemmy? Don’t be ridiculous!

dog,

Owned, unless you have proof they still do.

Edit: Looked it up a bit, the shares are 70% Sven and wife, 30% Tencent. Honestly not too bad considering at the time those shares were sold, Larian was almost bankrupt.

GONADS125,

Love seeing you edit your comment and correct yourself/validate the other user’s statement. Breathe of fresh air from the toxic doubling-down 99% of the time on reddit.

MindSkipperBro12,

Time to kneel down and pray to our future Chinese Overlords, for they are everywhere and everything.

Num10ck,

nah their demographics are doomed

Jerrimu2,

Why?

Zoboomafoo,
@Zoboomafoo@yiffit.net avatar

Because they’re having less babies than is needed to maintain or grow their population

2.1 babies/woman is about what’s needed to maintain a population, China was at 1.09 last year

mojo,

Some religious extremists try to argue abortion is bad, but really it’s bad when we cut a person up into 1/10ths. Strangely silent, hmmm.

Zoboomafoo,
@Zoboomafoo@yiffit.net avatar

Chopping up babies has biblical precedent

Num10ck,

their 1 Child per family policy for decades has left them with a gigantic pile of elderly and not nearly enough working age people to support them. not to mention the young people have no training on how to support their infrastructure or manufacturing tools.

Notorious_handholder,

This doesn’t even mention the gender ration disparity either that is going to hit even harder as well for them. China is gonna have even more issues in the next few decades

MindSkipperBro12,

I’ve also heard that they abort mostly female fetuses compared to male fetuses. Don’t know why, culture or something, but could also be a lie.

Num10ck,

because if you can only have 1 child to support the family in the future you need to have the one that gets educated and paid. it went on for decades. if you search youtube for the word ‘china’ theres countless recent explanations of the various ways they are collapsing.

Phegan, do games w Madden should not be 70$

I loved sports games growing up, but they are absolutely terrible now. Over priced, full of cash grabs and needlessly complex. I just want to hit x to pass. I don’t want a fucking story line, I just want to play the game.

Aceticon, do games w Madden should not be 70$

If people buy it anyway at the full price, then the game publisher will correctly deduce that it indeed worth at least that much money for enough people (otherwise those people would not part ways with that much money to get it) to get that game as soon as it comes out.

In Economics, perfect pricing (which is not yet possible but, damn, they’re really trying hard) from the point of view of a seller (i.e. for maximum profits) is when they get exactly as much money from each individual as that person is willing to pay for it, so the “ideal” world for them would be individually-tailored prices going as high as it could possibly go for each person whilst still managing to sell to that person.

As they can’t as of yet sell at different prices to each and every individual, they’ve gone as far as they can (regional pricing, different prices in different stores with different audiences and, maybe more importantly, time-from-publishing pricing) and then push prices up and up slowly whilst checking if in total the price increase has yielded more money or not (they have no issue with loosing customers due to higher prices if in total they still make more money at the price point than at a lower price point).

IMHO, in the face of this, the easist and best reaction for somebody who wants the game but does not think it’s worth $70, is to wait until the price falls down to how much they’re willing to pay for it (even better, let it fall some more and buy a couple more games with the savings). In fact if enough people do it the price will fall much faster as the publisher’s sales data analysis will signal to them that they’ve put the game at too high a price point and they’ll lower it trying to pick up the “money left on the table” from those who are interested but not at that price point before those people lose interest.

themajesticdodo,

Wow. Please tell me more about this capitalistic wizardry. This comment just wasn’t quite excessively detailed enough.

Aceticon,

So you just had to write what in your eyes is “obvious” for everybody as a comment, which hence is redundant, about how some other comment is “redundant and obvious”…

Oh, the irony!!!

themajesticdodo,

According to economics, you’re not as smart as you think.

TommySalami,

Jokes on them, my limit is wildly low compared to this. Most sports games are worth 20 bucks max at this point, the main content is just reskinned gameplay with updated stats and an unnecessary twist on controls. Its DLC.

ArchmageAzor, do games w The Weekly Free Talk Tuesday! Discussion - 15-08-2023
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been spending the past month or so drowning in hype over the upcoming Armored Core 6 and Starfield. Finally they’re close now

robbotlove, do games w The Weekly Free Talk Tuesday! Discussion - 15-08-2023

I was playing Cyberpunk for a couple days last week as it was on sale on PSN but lost interest as soon as I got the final mission (I played it at launch but inevitably returned it due to the state it was in).

the past couple days I’ve been busting through all of my unfinished Warhammer 40k pile instead and have been feeling pretty good about that.

Snapz, do games w Madden should not be 70$

This post reminded me, probably time for a new softdrinktv video on YouTube.

youtu.be/ka0OQPTr8rA

WarmSoda, do games w Madden should not be 70$

I got Madden 22 for free. It was the first Madden I’ve played since the 360. It was fun for about half a season and then everything falls apart.

legion, do games w Madden should not be 70$
@legion@lemmy.world avatar

Anytime I consider buying a Madden game, I watch a YouTube video of competitive play for the latest version. It always reveals how garbage the football sim part is. It’s all audibles and hot route spam and exploiting the useless AI in the same ways over and over again.

I’ll never buy a Madden game while all that crap is in there. They should make it so that spamming audibles and hot routes causes players to blow assignments and false start all the time, but the average “competitive” Madden player would probably die from nonstop crying and pants-soiling if EA did anything like that.

Mdotaut801,

That’s actually a brilliant solution. Wanna spam audibles? Flag, false start. Or like you said, botched assignments, perhaps a lineman fucks a protection and you take a sack.

Madden games are such trash, the last one I touched had Peyton Hillis on the cover. I’ve always assumed they’re still ass. I truly don’t know how people play sports games in general.

Katana314,

I don’t know what audibles are, but I’ve become increasingly interested in action-strategy type games that find ways to directly punish players that have high Actions Per Minute, encouraging people to take fewer, more deliberate movements. Kinda like combo rhythm in Arkham, rather than mashing X to attack.

Pratai, do games w Madden should not be 70$

Gatekeep much?

theworstshepard, do games w Madden should not be 70$

Are you maddening?

kemsat, do games w Madden should not be 70$

For like 20 years y’all have been buying the game, year after year, even if it’s not worth it.

legion,
@legion@lemmy.world avatar

Football video games were such a big part of my childhood in the 80s and 90s, but football video games died the day NFL2K died.

Ashtear,

See also: Pokémon.

I’ve always been bothered by the lack of competition (and anti-competitive behavior) in the football space.

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