Because with Overwatch 2, the changes were so small and meaningless that it could have just been an update to the original game. CS2 is on a whole new engine and has significant upgrades that couldn’t have been implemented in a simple update. Not to mention all the promised features OW2 was supposed to have that they backtracked on. That being said, I don’t exactly agree that they should have outright replaced CS:GO, but it’s not really the same as what Blizzard did. If they had replaced the original OW but had a significant reason to do so like Valve did, people wouldn’t be so upset at them.
Do you know what OW2 changed, since you call it small and meaningless?
Imo the gameplay updates with a move to 5v5 were pretty significant. The engine stayed the same, afaik, but some things were overhauled, although I don’t know if it was just visual changes.
According to some comments I’ve read, CS2 feels somewhat rushed. Some game modes and maps are missing, and the subtick server stuff also seems like a mixed bag.
So, why is it fine for one of these games, but not the other? For someone who hasn’t played either game in years, it feels like a similar level of change for either game.
OW2 changed the number of players on a team, rebalance some heros and changes some day maps to night and some night maps to day, nothing that couldn’t have just been a big update. The only justification for a whole new game was the free PvE mode, which they walked back on and is no longer free. Not to mention that people who’ve had hands on with it are saying it’s not even very good. CS2 on the other hand is on an entirely new engine with significant upgrades across the board, both in the technical aspect and graphical. I played some just last night and the difference between 2 and GO are night and day, no way it could have just been an update. Also it’s been brought to my attention that, unlike what I previously thought, CS:GO is indeed still available to run community servers on, unlike the original OW which is lost completely to the world.
OW2 PvE was 100% originally going to be free, then they cancelled it outright and only brought it back when the community spoke up about it, but now for a price. But yeah, as far as I’m aware CS:GO is still available so unlike OW2, you don’t like the new one, you don’t have to play it, you still habe options. Another commenter posted the how to if that’s something you’re interested in.
edit: also as far as I’m aware, Dota 2’s engine update was just a graphical update, they didn’t change anything fundamental to the game. As I said before the difference between CS:GO or CS2 is night and day, they changed a lot.
Edit 2: also I think it’s a little disingenuous to imply that the quality of a game mode that people now have to pay for doesn’t matter
If you search for results before the OW2 PvP release last year, you’ll find a bunch of articles and comments, that say PvP is free, PvE is going to cost money.
You said repeatedly, that the engine changes between CSGO and CS2 are night and day, and I’m not disputing that. I just think, going from 6v6 to 5v5, reworking and rebalancing heroes to accommodate that, is also a night and day difference.
When I was talking about how the quality of a game mode shouldn’t matter in this discussion, I meant only when comparing the “name changes” for OW2 and CS2, and if a game “deserves” to be called a sequel.
Fair points I suppose. Tho I think the real game changer here is that CS:GO is still available, while the original OW is not, thus making all other points moot. If I don’t think that CS2 deserved to be a full on sequel instead of an update and would rather keep playing CS:GO, nothing is stopping me. I think that’s why Valve “got away with it” as you put it. They haven’t forced the new changes on anyone like Blizzard did. Players still have a choice. Whether or not it deserves to be a sequel is meaningless when the previous game is still available for free.
Note: OP of the thread just with a beehaw account now since Kbin shit the bed for me and I can’t see comments.
Except its only technically available. If you want to use steam console shenanigans sure you can technically play CS GO and while there is a beta version up for CS GO it is an outdated version. Nothing is stopping Valve from having a new steam id associated with CS2. While there are servers up for both 1.38.7.9 (the one available via beta) and 1.39.4.8 (latest build) it is clear the move Steam did has basically killed that community.
To technical users they have a choice, the less savy users they don’t. We shouldn’t get angry at one company for doing something bad but ignore when another but more beloved company does a very similar thing but we ignore it because there is a hacky solution to it. Imagine if they did the same exact thing to CS 1 or CS Source. Hell really imagine if they fucking killed Half life 1 and replaced it with that abomination Half life 1 source. Like its cool to have an answer to possibly help but we can’t expect most users to do the hacky solution.
Having CS2 and GO as separate entities would go a long way for sure, but I don’t think what they’ve done is quite as egregious at OW. To be clear, I’m not saying I agree with it, but it’s no where near as bad.
If enough people cry out for an easier way to access CS:GO then I would not be surprised in the slightest if valve heard them and did something about it. They’re pretty good about listening to their community and that’s more than I can say for Blizzard. That tends to be why people are less harsh when they screw up because they don’t have a history of screwing up and they tend to fix them too
I think the real game changer here is that CS:GO is still available, while the original OW is not
Absolutely. This is the main difference for me, which I didn’t know in the beginning, although it makes sense, since it’s been known that Steam has this functionality. If that gets some “official” support (selecting the version in the game properties like a beta), and not the current hacky solution, it would be great.
To be honest though, I still think for a lot of people across the internet, it’s totally a Blizzard bad, Valve good, situation.
You’re not really wrong that people think “Blizzard bad, Valve good” but they’re kinda right in a way. Valve have a much better track record when it comes to not screwing over their customers compared to someone like blizzard (or EA, or Ubisoft, etc). Screwing up OW2 was one more grievance on top of a mountain of them and there’s no hope that the community will get what they want. Valve on the other hand has shown they actually give a shit about their fans and are willing to listen (an example being how so many user requested features have been added to the steam deck remarkable fast). Valve is one of the few major companies left in the AAA space that seem to have any soul left, everyone else seems to have succumbed to corporate greed. So yeah, people might react less harshly when they do something like they just did. Honestly tho, if people are really upset about it, I don’t doubt that valve will here it and do something about it, it’s much more likely that Blizzard bringing back OW1
I think people’s issue with OW2 replacing OW wasn’t the inability to get into the old game, it was the irrevocable changes. Like, I think there is more issue with the changes to free loot crates and characters than “but my OW1!”
From my understanding, CS2 doesn’t have glaring changes like this.
However, to your point for new games replacing old ones - I’m conflicted. On one hand, there’s little point booting up Star Wars Battlefront 1 by EA, but it would definitely have been shitty if EA had replaced it with BF2.
But as someone else mentioned, you can also still boot into CS:GO. So if the issue is wanting to play with friends, that should still be possible. It comes down to how it’s done I guess.
Thinking about it, it only seems like some IP’s can really do this anyway. Battlefield probably can’t, unless they decide to stop using themes for the games. Battlefield 1 just can’t exist in Battlefield 5. Call of Duty could probably find a way to accomplish it though.
Blizard took a paid for game with fair microtransactions and transformed it into a predatory free to play game with an unfair battlepass.
Reception to OW2 would have been better if they kept the freely dropped lootboxes and gave some more compensation to the people that bought the game. Also if they didn’t leave the game to dry for several years on an empty promise.
If CS:GO was preserved as a beta version in the game's properties that would be great. Apparently they are doing that now with some sort of replay player version but it's broken?
This is really sad to see -- I absolutely loved PD2 at release. It's some of the most fun co-op moments I've ever had in a game (maybe even the best).
I also played the beta and enjoyed the refined experience, but have still been working through BG3 and Starfield, so I decided to hold off on playing. Was hoping for a smooth release for everyone excited to play the game, so it's disappointing to see how terrible the experience has been at launch.
This is the first I’m hearing of it and I’m so confused. Is this just at character creation? Why was it removed?
Is this mod for people who are triggered because the field isn’t free form and the only choices are he/she/they? Or people who are triggered because the sheer existence of a they option is an anathema to their existence?
Even the argument in the comments is so vague it sheds no light.
Is this mod for people who are triggered because the field isn’t free form and the only choices are he/she/they? Or people who are triggered because the sheer existence of a they option is an anathema to their existence?
People triggered because of a they option in character creation. Basically, for folks like this dude.
There is a prominent movement where people don't want to see LGBTQA+ people anywhere. They don't want queer people to exist in their world. It makes them very mad to be exposed to the existence of LGBTQA+ people.
I personally think that they are just some queer people in denial, thinking they are going to catch the gay. Those gay thoughts aren't going to go away for these people no matter how they cater their reality.
I have been sitting in matchmaking for over 3 hours at this point.
Looks like big streamers can access the game just fine, but I get spinning wheel that is occasionally punctuated with getting an error message and kicked out of the game.
The beta was like a week and a half ago, and matchmaking was crumbling under the small organized stress test. I KNEW that once the open internet hit the matchmaker the whole thing was going to implode.
Top review on the 2nd version you posted says this:
“For some reason, EA delisted the original version of Mass Effect 2 on Steam and replaced it with a newer version that seems identical in everything except two aspects. Firstly, it now includes all DLC, which previously required you to buy them on the EA launcher and then manually download and transfer them to the Steam version. This process was not intuitive, but now it’s all included at no additional cost and hassle-free. Secondly, it now requires the EA launcher, which is annoying but not a huge deal in the end. However, it does create a situation where we have two nearly identical versions of the game in our libraries, which is a bit odd. I suppose this could’ve been an update instead.”
Thank you everyone to lighten me up. Now I understand. While the newer version have all DLCs included, it requires the launcher now? The older version didn't use the launcher, when I understand the comment correctly. So when I play the game, I probably would play the oldest without DLCs, but also not relying on an additional EA launcher.
The right calls people snowflakes and then loses their mind when someone offers an option for pronouns. An option. You can still pick cis pronouns. Gtf outta here.
I'm simply removing objectively incorrect content. There is no such thing as personal pronouns, and with a simple mod, they are easily removed like any bug in any program. Problem?
I don’t get how this lets you play a game the way you want? It takes out an option in a drop down that you wouldn’t use in the first place? It’s like me removing the colour blind option in a game, when I’m not colour blind. Just don’t use it if you don’t need it.
The option itself doesn't exist in reality. Biology and English grammar are crystal clear on this. The presence of the option in the game is itself wrong. The mod corrects this mistake.
Feel free to study any actually published biology or English textbook. You won't find this nonsense anywhere in them. You're just ignorant. You need to go back to school.
I do, and you should too. Because you're entirely wrong about everything. Like, you're arguing that personal pronouns don't exist while using them and calling others stupid.
As much fun as it is arguing with the confidently ignorant, I have better things to do today. Like maybe watch paint dry. It would definitely be a better use of my time than reading objectively incorrect and bigoted REEEEEEEEing about biological and grammatical concepts that you don't have the slightest understanding of.
But that's not what you are doing. You don't need this mod to make the choice that allows you to play the way you want.
I mean, I have no problem with modding anything anyway (in fact I believe it was wrong for Nexus to remove the mod, the only thing it did is making certain kind of obstinate people go into a silly crusade to defend a silly mod). But this mod is objectively removing options, not adding them.
This has nothing to do with biology, it's 100% English grammar. Biology books are not the ones explaining what's a "pronoun". In fact, many languages don't even have pronouns, and yet their biology books can perfectly be translated.
English grammar is constantly evolving. In fact, it would make it a lot more realistic if there were more strange expressions and mannerisms, even outside of pronouns. Battlestar Galactica did add some funny nonsensical expressions like "frak", "rook", "frimp", "pogees" and popular phrases like "so say we all" that added a layer of depth to their futuristic culture, making it a lot more believable.
I don't think this mod really helps with "realism". It would in fact be unrealistic to expect no linguistic changes at all in 300 years. The only reason why I think some people are mad is because they think it's pandering to a political agenda so they don't even want to see an option be given at all.... despite it actually being a totally optional and even totally believable aspect of a future hypothetical culture. Whether you agree with the direction that this hypothetical futuristic culture developed towards or not.
It has to do with both. In consensus English grammar, your pronoun is assigned to your per your sex. Billions speak English this way and they will not change because a handful of sexual degenerates tell them to. This is not up for debate.
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