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ilovededyoupiggy, do games w Path of Exile II Queue Warning Issued as 1 Million Early Access Redemptions Are Hit - Insider Gaming
@ilovededyoupiggy@sh.itjust.works avatar

My friend finally convinced me to try PoE. I generally like it, but it seems… Unpolished? I dunno. Kinda stuttery. Too much going on. It’s like they’ve just accepted and (mostly) implemented every single feature request they ever got without necessarily thinking about how it should work with all the other stuff. Not really a fan of the item/jewel/currency system or the skill tree. Like, I just want to play the game and kill monsters and make things go boom, this is too much work and planning.

I do love the carnage, though… When my level 5 or 6 fighter guy swung a regular white text sword for a regular non skill attack and it took out like 5 zombies at once, that was really nice. Never did that in Diablo.

That’s my highly unscientific opinion after playing for about a week. Sounds like 2 is going to clean up and address some of my complaints, so I’m looking forward to it.

Coelacanth,
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Too much going on. It’s like they’ve just accepted and (mostly) implemented every single feature request they ever got without necessarily thinking about how it should work with all the other stuff.

I played PoE for a good few years around its release and had a lot of fun initially with the temporary hardcore leagues with new mechanics every time, but there is a good reason I haven’t come back to the game - and it’s not just that I’m kind of over the ARPG thing. Scope Creep has turned it into a convoluted mess to get back into if you’re been out of the game for a while (or never played it) and I say that as someone who typically enjoys complexity.

wildcardology,

You’ll need 400+ hours of trial and errors to fully understand the game on your own.

Phegan,

It’s also 12 years old at its core.

1984,

Path of Exile is much more flexible and advanced than Diablo - you have almost unlimited flexibility in what your character can do. Everything stacks too, so your jewel slots, ring slots, armor slots… Everything works together.

So this is not just hack and slash, you won’t actually be able to complete the game even unless you understand some of that complexity.

If you stick with it, you will have many aha moments where your character suddenly doubles his damage because you figured out a good way to build it and combine it’s items to maximize its potential.

I played a lot before but I have grown tired of it. But it probably gave me several hundreds of hours of semi-fun gameplay.

ByteOnBikes,

That unlimited flexibility to me is significant complexity.

I like PoE a lot and I’m rooting for them.

But I absolutely hit barriers where I can’t proceed because I built wrong. And had restart and follow a guide. That’s a normal situation for most PoE players.

Lightor,

This. Having a button you hit to respec would get rid of a lot of the “you did it wrong, start over” vibe that can kill it for people

Maestro,

I do love the carnage, though... When my level 5 or 6 fighter guy swung a regular white text sword for a regular non skill attack and it took out like 5 zombies at once, that was really nice. Never did that in Diablo.

If you think that is carnage, you should see what the end game has in store. You'll be blasting through hordes and hordes of enemies. You can clear entire maps in a few minutes. It's a blast!

silverchase,
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My build for Settlers league was the most fun map blaster I’ve ever made. I made a melee witch (occultist) with Viper Strike that could one-shot entire packs and some map bosses! Just running up to a pack and slapping it and running off.

It was absolute garbage at bossing, though. The survivability was softcore/10.

ilovededyoupiggy,
@ilovededyoupiggy@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah I’ve seen some YouTube videos and it definitely looks like it’ll be a fun ride if I make it that far.

wildcardology, do games w Path of Exile II Queue Warning Issued as 1 Million Early Access Redemptions Are Hit - Insider Gaming

I love poe, but the one thing that I don’t like is you absolutely need a build guide or else you’ll hit a wall and you’ll have to respec the skill tree.

I really don’t like playing somebody else’s build. It feels like you’re playing somebody else’s character.

I hope in poe2 the game respects my choices.

ByteOnBikes,

That wish is nice but I doubt it.

The Poe devs see the build complexity as the reason people keep coming back, to try out new builds.

This game will be more of the same, but bigger and more modern. Which for casual players like you and me, will be fun for a season or 2.

Lightor,

I’m ok with complexity but for the love of God let me respec in a reasonable way. Farming orbs to reset a single point at a time is nonsense.

Moredekai,

That’s already different in poe2, they’ve made that so much easier. It’s just some gold

Lightor,

My happiness is immeasurable.

AriesAspect, do games w Path of Exile II Queue Warning Issued as 1 Million Early Access Redemptions Are Hit - Insider Gaming

Waited a decade for this game hype level is insane. Unpacking rn

silverchase, do games w Path of Exile II Queue Warning Issued as 1 Million Early Access Redemptions Are Hit - Insider Gaming
@silverchase@sh.itjust.works avatar

This is hardly news. Path of Exile has server queues at the start of every major launch. I think it’ll be great news if absolutely nothing goes wrong with the launch.

Phegan,

They have a lot of new people coming to PoE2 so it’s a good guy move to prepare people

daggermoon, do games w Ubisoft's XDefiant Will be Shutting Down in June 2025

rest in piss

dinckelman, do games w Ubisoft's XDefiant Will be Shutting Down in June 2025

Ubisoft are genuinely speedrunning their way towards a shutdown and a buyout

delticus,

Seriously lol. They keep releasing live service games and then do this. Why should anyone trust them to invest time/money into their games if they barely last a year or two?

DoucheBagMcSwag, do games w Ubisoft's XDefiant Will be Shutting Down in June 2025

Stop trying to make live service happen Ubi

Let it die

simple, do games w Ubisoft's XDefiant Will be Shutting Down in June 2025

Ubisoft just launching flop after flop. I expect to see Skull and Bones shut down soon as well. They also cancelled the newest Division game this year and are scrambling to gain interest for AC Shadows.

Not looking good for them, but also good riddance.

Intergalactic,

Won’t be good riddance. Someone will buy them out.

ampersandrew,
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They’re poised to buy themselves out while the share price is low.

DoucheBagMcSwag,

Tencent I’ve heard …

hitagi, do games w Ubisoft's XDefiant Will be Shutting Down in June 2025

The multiplayer FPS genre has been oversaturated for almost a decade now so I’m not surprised that this one is going away.

ampersandrew,
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For as oversaturated as people feel it is, the industry sure hasn’t made one of them that I like or want to play in a long time.

caut_R, do games w Ubisoft's XDefiant Will be Shutting Down in June 2025

First time hearing of it, good riddance

sheevpalpafiend, do games w Ubisoft's XDefiant Will be Shutting Down in June 2025

Interesting. Just goes to show these big game companies that you can’t churn out a replica of Fortnite or COD and slap the exact same monetization system on there and hope that the money prints. For that matter, you can’t just slap monetization on any old game and hope the money prints either.

inclementimmigrant, do games w EXCLUSIVE - Ubisoft's XDefiant Will be Shutting Down in June 2025 - Insider Gaming

Another horrible GaaS dead.

Noite_Etion, do games w Phil Spencer Confirms Xbox is Planning an Xbox Handheld, But It's a Few Years Away
@Noite_Etion@lemmy.world avatar

Games include Halo 1, Halo 2 and Halo 3. Enjoy the thrill of purchasing them all over again!

ampersandrew,
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That’s Nintendo’s MO, not Microsoft’s.

Noite_Etion,
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Every xbox has a version of Halo on it, why do you think this one would be different?

ampersandrew,
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They haven’t really had a history of making you purchase them again. If you’ve got them now, you’ll still be playing the copies you already bought.

Noite_Etion,
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Halo has been released on Xbox, Windows, macOS, Xbox 360, Windows Phone, iOS, Xbox One, Arcade, Xbox Series X|S. Then there is the Master Chief Collection which resold the series all over again.

Microsoft will happily sell you the same thing over and over and over. But luckily for them they have fanboys like you ready to defend the multibillion dollar corporation from jokes like mine.

ampersandrew,
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Those are supported platforms, yes. Many of them are redundant because the same license gives to access to the game on multiple platforms. I’m not defending them; your joke didn’t land because they don’t typically make you buy the same games over again. I’m a Linux fanboy and don’t own a Series X; I have no reason to defend Microsoft. Just make better jokes next time.

Noite_Etion, (edited )
@Noite_Etion@lemmy.world avatar

Just make better jokes next time.

Said the fanboy.

Many of them are redundant because the same license gives access to the game on multiple platforms.

Oh so I have a free copy of Halo 1 or 2 on other platforms because I bought it back on the original Xbox… No, if I want to play it on modern platforms I’ll have to buy it again?

What about Halo 3 on the 360, do I get a free copy of it everywhere else… Again no… Shit.

I’m a Linux fanboy and don’t own a Series X.

Yet you immediately downvote all my comments like that means anything, and get wrapped up defending Microsoft from some random jokes online.

they don’t typically make you buy the same games over again.

I love the non-conformational language you use here “they don’t typically make you do something”. You cannot even state plainly that they don’t re-sell their shit over and over because even you know it’s not true.

I look forward to your immediate downvote and reply.

ampersandrew,
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There seem to be a lot of people here who haven’t gotten the memo that future Xboxes are likely to just be disguised Windows PCs, because they’re mostly interested in Game Pass and know they can’t compete otherwise. On an open platform, they couldn’t stop you from continuing to play your old games. They really don’t care about you re-purchasing their old games because they want you to rent a library. That’s why your joke was bad.

Noite_Etion,
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Way to ignore my entire comment lol. But thanks for proving my point that you’re a hurt fanboy by downvoting and quickly replying.

They really don’t care about you re-purchasing their old games because they want you to rent a library.

You get that’s worse right? You own nothing and now if you want to replay their old games you have to rent them again and again. It’s just another subscription… Yay Game Pass. Companies don’t decide to make less money just to give their customers more value, they are a business not a charity.

Besides once Microsoft has a stranglehold on the gaming market (If they ever get it) they will use the position of power to make as much money as possible. Like they did with operating systems or office suites (365). They even tried to buy out Nintendo recently, do you think they did that because they don’t want to re-sell their titles again? Why else try and build monopolies?

There seem to be a lot of people here who haven’t gotten the memo that future Xboxes are likely to just be disguised Windows PCs

What do you think consoles are? They are just a pc with proprietary software and hardware. Even a PS2 can run linux.

On an open platform, they couldn’t stop you from continuing to play your old games.

Yeah killing old servers would never happen.

ampersandrew,
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I don’t think I ever pitched a subscription as being better than ownership, just that your joke is divorced from the reality of the situation and the way Microsoft has operated for over a decade, and that’s why the joke didn’t land. Microsoft won’t get a stranglehold on the market, despite their best efforts.

What do you think consoles are? They are just a pc with proprietary software and hardware.

You are missing the distinction by several miles. A short list includes the lack of cert, the availability of competitors on the same platform, and backward compatibility whether they like it or not. If the value proposition is as poor as you expect it to be, then the launch of a portable Xbox will hardly be noticed next to the Steam Deck, but the more likely scenario is that it’s basically a Steam Deck that plays nicer with Game Pass and anti cheat technologies because it’s actually Windows under the hood. You’ve demonstrated a large lack of understanding about what’s changed between 6th gen consoles and today, but the short explanation is that I don’t see a reason to expect Microsoft to charge you for Halo again on this new platform, because it would be marketing suicide among plenty of other reasons.

Noite_Etion,
@Noite_Etion@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think I ever pitched a subscription as being better than ownership, just that your joke is divorced from the reality of the situation and the way Microsoft has operated for over a decade.

How is it divorced? You’re still spending money for the same things over and over again. Your argument is purely semantics" you’re not purchasing, you’re renting!" Like there is a difference… You are still giving Microsoft money to play old games.

If I changed my original comment to read ‘spending money’ instead of ‘purchasing’ would that make you feel better? Because this seems to be your only problem with it.

You are missing the distinction by several miles. A short list includes the lack of cert, the availability of competitors on the same platform, and backward compatibility whether they like it or not. If the value proposition is as poor as you expect it to be, then the launch of a portable Xbox will hardly be noticed next to the Steam Deck, but the more likely scenario is that it’s basically a Steam Deck that plays nicer with Game Pass and anti cheat technologies because it’s actually Windows under the hood. You’ve demonstrated a large lack of understanding about what’s changed between 6th gen consoles and today, but the short explanation is that I don’t see a reason to expect Microsoft to charge you for Halo again on this new platform, because it would be marketing suicide among plenty of other reasons.

Originally you brought this up to reinforce the idea that Microsoft consoles are transitioning to a PC with an xbox paint job. Which is what all consoles essentially are, but I got what you were trying to say that it’s a shared environment with a PC, which is somewhat relevant to the conversation… Kinda.

But now you are bringing up certificates, backwards compatibility, steam decks, anti cheat and other generations of consoles.

This entire section of your comment has nothing to do with my joke or the discussion so far, it’s a waste of time and nothing but a diversion. Can you get back to what we are actually talking about? I get it Microsoft rents not sells… You see that I get it right?

JusticeForPorygon, do games w Phil Spencer Confirms Xbox is Planning an Xbox Handheld, But It's a Few Years Away
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Cannot wait to not purchase it.

MidsizedSedan, do games w Phil Spencer Confirms Xbox is Planning an Xbox Handheld, But It's a Few Years Away

Would there even be a demand for a dedicated handheld console? PC has “issues” because of the set up, while console is easy because its already built.

The steam deck is already built, + it has desktop mode + more games than xbox and playstation combined?

ampersandrew, (edited )
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

In all likelihood, this would be a handheld PC that solves the problems that Windows has in that space.

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