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Kolanaki, do games w Paradox Interactive has completely cancelled "Life By You"
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I’m not really that upset considering it was going to end up the same as The Sims (with its content in DLC piecemeal) anyway, coming from Paradox.

It visually looked like an asset flip simulation shovelware game you can find all over Steam by searching for the shit with the worst reviews, too.

SkaveRat,

Should be noted that paradox was just publishing it, not developing

grandkaiser,

So… Paradox tectonic is not related to paradox…? Are you sure?

SatouKazuma,
@SatouKazuma@lemmy.world avatar

It was being done by a Paradox-owned studio out of California, over whom Paradox likely had little day-to-day operational influence.

grandkaiser,

Then Paradox was developing it. They own the studio. Who else is going to build the game? An executive?

I am sure that everyone would agree that Paradox owns/developed/published Europa Universalis 4… But that was made by “Paradox Tinto” or Stellaris was “Paradox Development Studio”… The publishing wing of Paradox doesn’t develop games. Obviously. But I don’t understand why thats in any way relevant to the discussion. Paradox (the company, not specifically the publishing wing) was 100% responsible for the development, the testing, and the publishing of Life by You. They built it, they took it down.

MossyFeathers, do games w Paradox Interactive has completely cancelled "Life By You"

My biggest complaint about Sims-likes is that the visual style always looks too serious. It gives me the feeling that whatever I’m going to do with my not-Sims, it’s gonna be something that makes me regret my real life.

You wanna know what I did the last time I played the Sims 2 though? I repeatedly held parties at my Sim’s house and then lured the guests into a room they couldn’t get out of. I also used the moveobjects cheat to collect police cars whenever a cop showed up to shut the party down. By the time I was done I had amassed around 70 urns, many hysterical immortal Sims (Sims with households can’t die while visiting someone’s house in the Sims 2), 4 Police cars and a fire truck.

The Sims has a mischievous air to it that tickles the devil on your shoulder and begs you to listen to them. None of the Sims-likes I’m aware of seem to have the same air.

Edit: now I want to play the Sims again.

sunzu,

This ain't right

UltraGiGaGigantic,

My Sim grew weed and played PC games

Semi_Hemi_Demigod,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Kerbal Space Program has a similar vibe, and other space sims take themselves way too seriously to be fun.

RIP KSP2

Caligvla, do games w Paradox Interactive has completely cancelled "Life By You"
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Honestly that’s for the best, the game looked awful all around.

DarkThoughts, do games w Paradox Interactive has completely cancelled "Life By You"

No surprise.
I was really shocked when I saw the videos they released a while ago. Game ran like shit and looked even worse.

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Yup… It looked like a really bad attempt at photo realism in 2024. At this point you either need to use cartoon-like graphics or some sort or actually pull off the photo realism.

It was pretty obvious that game was never going to reach either of those marks.

I was definitely excited for the prospect of a Sim’s competitor, but this wasn’t going to be it… I think they did the right thing pulling the plug.

DarkThoughts,

Stylized graphics would have not helped with the performance, or the mismatching scale of objects & people, or the garbage UI structure, or the garbage game structure. The whole thing was just amateurish and cheap looking.

JackbyDev,

I love ACNH’s style where people are cartoony, but furniture is more detailed.

mysticpickle, do games w Paradox Interactive has completely cancelled "Life By You"

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  • ZeroPoke,

    Do by chance mean Stardock not Paradox? I was unable to google anything about Paradox and the Star Control IP but lots about Stardock came up. But if it was them could you pass me some links I was unable to find anything.

    SaltySalamander,

    Before you go spouting off the mountaintop, might want to make sure you know what you're talking about. It's clear that you have no clue.

    Klanky,
    @Klanky@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Do you mean Stardock?

    mysticpickle,

    Whoops you’re right!

    SquigglyEmpire,

    I get those two confused all the time too

    Klanky,
    @Klanky@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Haha no worries. Did you see the Kickstarter for the sequel to Star Control 2?

    kickstarter.com/…/free-stars-children-of-infinity

    mysticpickle,

    Hell to the yeah! Put in my pledge and tried to spread the word as far as I could too.

    ((Happy Camper))

    bionicjoey, do games w Paradox Interactive has completely cancelled "Life By You"

    It’s a shame. But based on what I saw about it, it looked like maybe they had some delusions about using LLMs for character dialogue, which seems like an insanely complex feature to build into an already complex game.

    ThePantser,
    @ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

    Why? It can’t be much more than using one of those chatbot girlfriends. I know there could be delays as it takes time to generate but it could have a local version that just is a stripped down version that just processes dialogue. Probably requires a beefy GPU though.

    bionicjoey,

    You’d need the conversations to be highly constrained in order to not break the game. Currently there are too many ways of “jailbreaking” LLMs. It was too much of a scope creep for a game which was already biting off a lot more than most studios could chew.

    MajorHavoc,

    constrained in order to not break the game.

    While that’s true, I suspect that whoever gets there first will get a free pass in the court of public opinion, so long as it’s a single player game.

    “Look how awful my Sims are” is already a recurring gag hobby, anyway.

    bionicjoey,

    I wouldn’t give it a free pass if it ruined the gameplay and would have been easier for them not to implement.

    CosmoNova,

    There already are a small number of games utilizing LLMs. Yes it‘s immersion breaking from time to time but the worst part is the credit system many of them use to pay for the API. If you go past your conversation limit, you‘ve got to pay extra.

    bionicjoey,

    That sounds awful

    Chee_Koala, do games w Paradox Interactive has completely cancelled "Life By You"

    Well HECK! I have been advertising this game to every gamer I know, finally a Sims game that’s not EA… :( I was very hopeful when they delayed without a new date, just take your time and get it right. Dang, I was really looking forward to this

    slazer2au,

    Paradox is just as bad as EA with DLC. Look at Stellaris, or Victoria, or cities skylines, or surviving mars

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    They sell you a product at a fair price without putting it behind a loot box, unless I missed something. I don’t think that makes Paradox “just as bad” because they make a lot of DLC that you could choose to not purchase.

    Grangle1,

    TBF, when it comes to The Sims specifically, that’s the same as EA’s model: a bunch of DLC/expansions you don’t have to buy.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Until the next one is an always online live service that means it has an expiration date built into it by design, and that’s not even conjecture; we already know this.

    slazer2au,

    Cities Skylines 2 launch is worse than any EA launch I can remember. Even that sense of accomplishment horseshite. They released a paid DLC 5 months after launch while not dealing with core functionality bugs.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m going to rate “exploits addiction to make billions off of legalized gambling for children” as worse than putting out a sub par, broken sequel with DLC 5 months after release.

    Moneo,

    Using the floor as a bar.

    mosiacmango, (edited )

    In a hilariously circular way, EA has this beat still.

    The Simcity 2013 launch was so terrible it killed Simcity and the studio Maxis, basically paving the way for City Skylines to take over the genre 2 years later.

    It was online only, to the point where if you disconnected from the Internet you were booted out of the game. It also did most game rendering server side to force multiplayer/anti piracy/EA Origin store, and they only had enough infastructure for 1/10th of their player base on launch. That 10% isn’t exaggeration, either. They underestimated server load by 90%.

    It was also a severely buggy, local resource hog somehow, even with being mostly remotely rendered. Since only a tiny fraction of the servers needed for the game were online, the game just chocked itself to death.

    It took months to get it to a “working” state, at which point people had discovered all the insane and dumb behavior by ingame actors like citizens just picking a random house to go to end of day/etc. The tiny city limit size caused by being always online was also a very sore point for players, as you could barely build anything in a city building game. You could finish buillding your “city” in just a few hours, at which point you had to buy another “zone” that was separate from your current one. They didmt seamlessly connect like old SimCity or city skylines, you actually entered another tiny city slice to build on. It was terrible, and the size limit was clearly one of the measures to reduce server costs, as each zone looked like it was a new small server instance.

    By the time they actually resolved the server issues, the game was dead, ending a 20+ year legacy in gaming for the brand and the studio. EA hasent made a simcity game in 11 years because of its failure. It was a shitshow and a half.

    Moneo,

    They sell you 15 minor features for $10 each and then every tutorial/gameplay video you watch has 5-10 features you’ve never seen before. It fills you with fomo and when you do cave you end up spending $80 to make a $40 game slightly more interesting. It’s predatory as fuck, paradox can go fuck themselves.

    Sorry, I really hate paradox.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    What am I fearing that I’m missing out on when there are 62 DLCs for Cities: Skylines but I only wanted 3 of them? I wanted Green Cities, After Dark, and Mass Transit, but I really couldn’t care less about Airports. Why does this FOMO apply only to DLC and not the entire library of video games out there that you can opt to buy or not? I really don’t understand it. If you buy one Paradox game, do you have to buy every Paradox game or else miss out on having the entire library? I hope that this doesn’t come off as me being hostile. I just genuinely don’t understand it. Latching on to gambling addiction in EA’s Ultimate Team DLC is a concept that I can easily understand how it’s predatory. Making a bunch of other products that you may not want to buy does not strike me as predatory but as casting a wide net to make the right content for the right customer.

    Moneo,

    Just because you’re able to spend $60 on 3 DLCs instead of whatever the 62 DLCs cost, doesn’t mean those DLC are worth what you’re spending. I can buy a single banana instead of the full bunch if I want but if they cost $10 each I’m not getting a good deal.

    The fomo is because I’ve already invested in the base game. I can ignore content about games I haven’t bought yet but if I want to watch tutorial videos that have every DLC I have to filter out all the content I haven’t paid for. I can’t engage with the community on equal footing unless I spent 4-5x the price of the base game on overpriced content. That is not an enjoyable experience and has left me with a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to Paradox games. I don’t want to navigate the cesspool that is their monetization strategy so I simply don’t buy their games (I pirate them :^) ).

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Well, first I’d say that those three DLCs cost a maximum of $45 and not $60, if they were MSRP, with current MSRP being a little less than that, but I don’t know if they ever got a price cut. Second, Steam sales happen like clockwork, for DLC as well, and there’s no way I spent $45. Third, the right feature to the right person might be worth that price, and that’s the benefit of their model. Over the course of so many years, they can keep working on the game and add niche features, some of which might be up your alley, rather than putting out a base game that lacks features important to you and never expanding the game.

    I’m not sure why the tutorials for features you don’t have are a problem, because then you wouldn’t be doing the things they’re doing anyway, but I’m sorry that ruined the experience for you. It’s really hard for me to call that a cesspool though. They just put out a lot of product where you can decide what’s important to you, and I’d say that’s exactly what it ought to be.

    Moneo,

    $60 CAD and sales do not justify the base price. Nothing you’ve said has remotely convinced me any of their DLC is worth what they’re charging.

    You’re not going to convince me this shit isn’t predatory and vice versa. Later.

    GregorGizeh,

    They added an option to subscribe instead. Pay a monthly fee, get access to any and all dlc.

    I dont love their monetization model either but I understand the need for financial return on the investment of continued development.

    Moneo,

    Plenty of developers continue to develop content for years after release without selling overpriced DLC. Y’all are coping.

    RightHandOfIkaros,

    Realistically, at least for Stellaris, Paradox updates the game for free for everyone that breaks everyone’s in-progress games and breaks key features of the game by fundamentally changing how the mechanics work. Then they sell the DLC that is absolutely necessary to fix whatever they broke for people who don’t own the DLC.

    Paradox creates the problem and then sells the solution.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    I haven’t played that one, so that’s news to me, as I didn’t experience that in Cities: Skylines or Surviving Mars.

    lath,

    Ck3 with the plague mechanics does this. The base game has some default settings that absolutely wrecks everything once plagues get going and only having the DLC can change those settings.

    KombatWombat,

    I only played Stellaris off and on, but I went years without buying an expansion and always thought the new systems were complete and better than what they replaced when I returned. Breaking current saves is frustrating, so I guess you would need to delay an update if you had one you planned on returning to.

    If you didn’t know, you can roll back to older versions of steam games with some work. A few games have a built-in system, but most of the tile you have to manually replace files after redownloading the old versions.

    DarkThoughts,

    Yeah. Pdx went the same shit route as EA by now, even have subscriptions too. Doesn't matter if I have to through hundreds of bucks at EA or Pdx for a single game. It's both the same shitty principle.

    Moneo,

    All my homies hate paradox.

    Cethin,

    Yeah, but having the games in competition would force then to try to win players to their side over the alternative, for both of the games. It would have been nice to have an option when playing this genre.

    Kraiden,

    Have a look at Paralives

    Chee_Koala,

    Thanks a lot for sharing, i’ve wishlisted that!

    HipsterTenZero, do games w Paradox Interactive has completely cancelled "Life By You"
    @HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone avatar

    boo. Oh well, at least there’s that other sims-like in development i’m blanking on the name of.

    SleepingInTraffic,

    Paralives?

    HipsterTenZero,
    @HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone avatar

    Yeah, that’s the one!

    DarkThoughts,

    That also looks like it isn't performance like complete garbage. When I saw the first videos for Life By You I was kinda shocked that they even put that out to the public. I'm really not surprised they canned it.

    Phen,

    I wonder how that’s going. When the devs started they were clearly overpromising things that they thought would be cool to have without any idea of how long it would take to implement them. I always suspected it would remain in development for many many years, but apparently it’ll be playable next year.

    deus,

    There’s also AlterLife.

    piyuv, do games w ASUS reveal the ROG Ally X with more RAM, more storage, larger battery

    Still windows

    mox, do games w ASUS reveal the ROG Ally X with more RAM, more storage, larger battery

    Gamers Nexus video documenting ASUS ROG Ally warranty service:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pMrssIrKcY

    Spoiler: It’s beyond bad.

    YarHarSuperstar, do games w ASUS reveal the ROG Ally X with more RAM, more storage, larger battery
    @YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world avatar

    No touchpad? They still haven’t learned anything.

    habanhero, do games w ASUS reveal the ROG Ally X with more RAM, more storage, larger battery

    Friends don’t let friends buy ASUS unless the purchasing friend enjoys months of customer support or RMA nightmare.

    dinckelman, do games w ASUS reveal the ROG Ally X with more RAM, more storage, larger battery

    Even besides the corporate issues, I just can’t help but not like this handheld.

    It looks like a cheaply built gamer device, and it feels like a cheaply built gamer device in the hand too. Between them and MSI, it’s almost as if they’ve put literally no effort into engineering anything, and just threw together a whatever they could, on the basis of a generic shell.

    Not to mention that having ArmoryCrate is literally a downside in every way, and having 2 years of warranty NOW, after they showed up on FTCs radar, is laughable

    Defaced,

    Because it IS a cheaply built gamer device in a generic OEM shell. Pretty sure Microsoft has gotten enough flak for handheld Windows that they’re starting to build gamescope type optimizations like directSR. It’s not enough for me to switch back but maybe it is for others, who knows, hopefully Microsoft can stop riding the AI hype train to eventually build something to make armorycrate obsolete.

    BombOmOm,
    @BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, there is a reason everyone talks about the Steam Deck, it’s an actually good device that Valve put a bunch of effort into making soild. There is also the problem that many of these other handhelds, like this ASUS one, are running an OS full of background processes constantly sapping your battery. Again, Valve put a bunch of effort into making the Steam Deck good and it shows.

    newthrowaway20, do games w ASUS reveal the ROG Ally X with more RAM, more storage, larger battery

    Oh a 2-year warranty? Not sure how useful that warranty will be if they continue to deny every warranty claim.

    bappity,
    @bappity@lemmy.world avatar

    and add bullshit to repair jobs that nobody asked for

    Anti_Iridium, (edited )

    What? Clearly a tiny ding is enough to ruin your experience.

    bappity,
    @bappity@lemmy.world avatar

    absolutely ruined my day. every time I grab my Asus Rog and see that nanometer dent, I fall into deep depression

    Eheran,

    What, there is nothing wrong with your device… but I do not want to give you anything under warranty… Let me just put a scratch there real quick while you come back from showing me where the breakers are. feel free to watch it here in an it’s glory

    edgemaster72,
    @edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh, you don’t want to pay for the nonsense we made up? Guess we’ll just ship it back to you in pieces, good luck with that.

    Davel23,

    Yeah, the length of the warranty is not the issue.

    Suavevillain, do games w Netris is an open-source cloud gaming platform with Stadia-like features using Proton
    @Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

    I actually liked Stadia minus the way they wanted you to purchase games. But the tech was good and had almost no lag for me.

    Dark_Arc,
    @Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

    I mean, the purchasing model was fine. It was like any other game store. It’s just it was a new service and lots of people already had existing libraries they wanted to take with them … which just isn’t how that sort of thing normally works. Particularly with the way Google had it designed so that you could play purchased games without a subscription.

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