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Malix, do games w Settings you believe ANY game should have? (This is me advocating for a restart/reboot button on ALL games)
@Malix@sopuli.xyz avatar

in general: settings which have multiple levels, display it as a slider so I can visually see which ones are actually maxed out and which arent. It’s insanity when most settings have off/low/med/high/higher and randomly some of them have additional levels like epic/ultra/psycho/gigaultrapseudobullshit. You have to go each and everyone through to figure out which have higher settings. Now, this is not a flex, my system can’t run new games on gigaultrapseudobullshitultra++, but older ones? sure.

for fps & tps games: FOV.

otherwise, in no particular order, option to toggle off entirely:

  • motion blur
  • chromatic aberration

otherwise, must haves:

  • subtitles on/off
  • master volume/music/sfx/dialogue as separate sliders.
  • don’t default volume to max, this is instant ear explosion if you happen to use different audio devices
Keegen, (edited ) do games w Settings you believe ANY game should have? (This is me advocating for a restart/reboot button on ALL games)

Save and exit to desktop straight away with no going back to the main menu before. I’m looking at you Dark Souls series! It’s like the developers have never used a computer for anything not related to writing code before.

TachyonTele, do games w Settings you believe ANY game should have? (This is me advocating for a restart/reboot button on ALL games)

I just want a exit to desktop button always available. I don’t always have time to go all the way back to the title screen just to edit out.

frongt,

Alt+F4 usually works for that

SGforce, do games w Settings you believe ANY game should have? (This is me advocating for a restart/reboot button on ALL games)

Chromatic Aberration

I get enough of this from my glasses, thanks.

Malix,
@Malix@sopuli.xyz avatar

the bane of my eyes. I don’t have glasses, but holy hell this effect starts to strain my eyes when games have it.

SCmSTR,

Yeah any setting that tries to make things photoreal needs to be able to be turned off. Fringing, vignette, motion blur. What’s next? Strobing? Jfc. Like yeah those can all look really good if tumed properly. But tuning for everybody’s monitor and everybody’s room ambient light or sunlight is really tough. Let people at least turn them off, and if you’ve got time, you can add in some changeable values.

dual_sport_dork, do games w Settings you believe ANY game should have? (This is me advocating for a restart/reboot button on ALL games)
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

All controls should be remappable. All means all. Not most, not some, and certainly none of this bullshit where all you can do is toggle between “XBox 360 controller layout A/XBox 360 controller layout B.” This is especially true for titles on consoles, many of which still to this very day don’t allow you to remap their controls at all.

For 3D games, field of view. Far too many developers of FPS titles in particular have Console Disease, and feel it’s somehow acceptable to lock the FOV to 70° or some absurd number. If they allow you to adjust it at all they may be feeling “generous” enough to let you go as high as 90°. That’s completely unacceptable. On my 4K monitor that’s 25" from my face, I need at least 120°. Honestly, I want to see that slider go up to 180°. That’s right, I want to be able to look at your game world like a goddamned pigeon. On that note I really have to wonder what those people with those 3840x1080 überwide monitors do most of the time, other than spending their days in never ending torment.

Allow me to turn off the stupid pre-launch splash titles. Certainly at least after the first startup. I certainly don’t need to be told that nVidia is the way it’s meant to be played, or that your company licensed Havok, or who your publisher is, or who your publisher’s owner is, or who your publisher’s owner’s owner is, etc. Nobody cares. Usually instead you have to resort to replacing the .mkv or .bik files in the game folder with zero-byte text files or something. It’s dumb.

While we’re griping, and speaking of Console-Itis, does every PC game now need to have an unskippable message telling me that this game has auto save and urging me not to turn off my PC when the icon is being displayed? Really? Nobody’s going to do that. Tell me your game is a shitty console port without telling me your game is a shitty console port. To keep this on topic, let’s have a setting to turn that off, too, because it’s stupid. Off by default would be nice. Should there be an Idiot Mode toggle?

Granularity in subtitles. It seems too many games only have two settings: All subtitles off, or they assume you’re completely deaf. Typically I want to be able to read what characters are saying in their voice lines, but instead the developers also think I need to see the bottom third of my screen filled with [BOOM] [GUNFIRE] [JUKEBOX MUSIC] [FOOTSTEPS] [BOOM] [GUNFIRE] [BOOM] [BOOM] and so on and so forth, all the time. They should either categorize sounds and make their subtitling things individually selectable, or at least if they insist on making it a slider give it three or four levels: Off, cutscene/conversation dialog only, all spoken lines (“Cover me!” “Reloading!” “Never should have come here!” etc.), and then only the top level resulting in every single cricket and rustle of grass being captioned. Some games do manage to accomplish this. Many do not.

Oh, I thought of a good one to add to my wish list. I want every game to bring back the sound test menu. But they won’t, because every studio on Earth now wants you to spend an extra $15 for their game’s soundtrack. (As if it’s not all going to be on Youtube about twelve seconds after release anyway…)

ampersandrew,
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To be fair to devs, increasing the FOV has a lot of performance implications on how much less they’re culling from the scene as you rotate the camera. In this era of open world games, I suspect it scales very poorly as that FOV increases. Temporarily increasing the FOV is also one of their handy tricks for giving you a sense of speed when you hit a boost button and whatnot, so whatever your FOV is, they need to make it more than that.

Sound test menus are a remnant of arcade design, and when arcades starting dying, this feature made less sense. The OST sale is usually more of a revenue stream for the game’s composer, as I understand it.

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

performance implications

That might be fine for consoles which have known performance limitations built in. But if I’m on my PC, let me make that decision. Don’t try to make it for me.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I understand the desire, but then that might have implications on support tickets, advertised system requirements, separate maintenance and optimizations for only one platform, etc. It might be that turning up the FOV even a smidge over their maximum requires a super computer that doesn’t even exist yet, depending on what it has to render and how it works under the hood.

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Given I’ve never seen that actually become the case even in games with engines I had to apply configuration hacks to increase the FOV, I find all of that highly unlikely.

SCmSTR,

Please stop making excuses for lazy and disrespectful devs

dogslayeggs,

Fully remappable controls is my biggest wish. I hate WASD and swear by EDSF, but some games like Fallout 4 hardcode some controls. E is hardcoded to “interact” or “open door” or something, but the game DOES let you map “move forward” to E. So I can run around like normal, but every time I run past a door it auto opens to a zombie hiding behind it.

mic_check_one_two,

Allow me to turn off the stupid pre-launch splash titles.

I can guarantee that those splash titles are included because of contractual obligations. The same way a movie lists the publishing companies in the intro. Including a “skip after first launch” option would violate their contract. If it were up to a game’s director, they would almost universally prefer to drop you straight at the title screen. But they legally aren’t allowed to do so.

Oh, you want us to publish your game? We can require the game designer to show our logo for {x} seconds when the game launches. Oh, you want your game to be G-Sync compatible? Nvidia can require that you show their logo for at least {x} seconds when the game launches. Oh, you want to use our game engine to build your game? Unreal can require that you show their logo for {x} seconds when the game launches. Et cetera…

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Quite famously, Unity had a reputational problem because of this. Free users were required to show the splash screen, but companies with larger war chests could pay the higher rate to skip it. It led to Unity being associated with low-budget and amateurish games, while higher quality games running on the same engine, which would be better advertising for Unity, tended to not show the logo.

SCmSTR,

Verified.

A couple years ago I made a game and used Wwise and was required to have a splash screen at startup

SCmSTR,

Sliders are the problem.

They encourage a maximum and a minimum.

Just let people enter values.

newthrowaway20, do gaming w More than enough

Well one of those is just for saved data while the other is for the whole game.

IrateAnteater,

Yeah. To make a fair comparison, you’d have to take the number of games in your PS/2 library and multiply it by 4.7 GB per game.

GlitchyDigiBun,
@GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.world avatar

Not necessarily. That’s the max size but tons of games were 1.5-3GB. My modded OG xbox has iso’s loaded directly on the drive. Jurrassic Park: Operation Genesis is like 600mb.

IrateAnteater,

That’s why I went with the 4.7 GB DVD as the average. Actual game disks ranged from 700 mb CDs to the 8.something GB dual later DVDs, with actual game sizes ranging anywhere in-between.

ieatpwns, do games w Settings you believe ANY game should have? (This is me advocating for a restart/reboot button on ALL games)

Color blind options even for those that aren’t color blind. Sometimes they add a different ui color palette which is fun

derekabutton, do games w Settings you believe ANY game should have? (This is me advocating for a restart/reboot button on ALL games)

Multiplayer games should have toggles to allow more than 4 people. Why do we need to install mods or change a 4 to a 6 in some config file?

This obviously doesn’t work for games like It Takes Two where more than 2 players would be senseless, but your survivalcraft game shouldn’t be limited in the same way.

snooggums, do games w Settings you believe ANY game should have? (This is me advocating for a restart/reboot button on ALL games)

The ability to pause should be a requirement for single player games. Not being able to pause long cut scenes, combats, etc. is so frustrating when nobody else is impacted.

Any game completely opposed to pausing for whatever design reason should instead be required to have a minimum of 30 seconds between pauses to allow for interruptions while playing without it allowing for rapid pauses to impact game play. 30 seconds minimum is because of how many interruptions are immediately followed by another interruption by kids/spouses/parents/pets.

evasive_chimpanzee,

I’m sure I have seen it before, but I can’t think of a single game that lets you pause during a cutscene. It really sucks for turn-based games where you need to watch whats happening when it’s not your turn in order to respond correctly.

I remember a game I used to play years ago that had no ability to pause, so what i would do is alt+tab to the task manager and suspend the process, and then resume it later. Obviously that’s way more clunky than just hitting a pause button.

Malix,
@Malix@sopuli.xyz avatar

started Red Dead Redemption 1 last night, seems like just hitting esc during cutscene pauses it.

Admittedly I was wanting to go to settings and drop some settings, but that’s only allowed during gameplay, not cutscenes x)

snooggums,

I have played a lot of games where pausing the game to get to game menus pauses cutscenes, generally ones where they use in game assets to do the cut scene. I would have to check to confirm, but I think BG3 let you pause by going to the menu and there was also a separate option to skip the cuts scene.

Definitely played a lot with unskippable cut scenes too. Mostly avoid those games now.

Lojcs,

Conversely I can’t remember a game in recent memory that didn’t let me pause in cutscenes.

Just off of my head: Ubisoft games, Control, Shadow of Mordor, Crysis, Witchers, Borderlands 2, Devil May Cry, Celeste had it.

dogslayeggs,

Ghosts of Yotei lets you pause during cut scenes. It doesn’t let you skip most cut scenes, though.

dukemirage,

It’s been a very common feature for the last few years and has been very rare before that so it really depends on when you started playing new releases. I’m in my mid-30s and pausing mid-cutscene definitely happended after I stopped being excited about my birthday.

evasive_chimpanzee,

Yeah, I’m probably what you’d call a patient gamer. Usually not playing anything more recent than 5 years old, and often way older.

mic_check_one_two,

Cutscenes especially. The pause button should pause cutscenes, with an option to skip the cutscene on the pause menu. The pause button should never just outright skip the cutscene. It should always pause the cutscene.

So many times as a kid that my mom would walk in and start talking right as a cutscene started. And when I’d go to pause it, it would just skip the entire fucking cutscene instead.

snooggums,

Yeah, pause and skip should be separate things. I have some games pm PC where the ESC key pauses and brings up the menu but to skip the scene you have to be watching it and then hold some specific button like mouse 1 for a couple of seconds to skip. Those are my favorites because I have time to reconsider skipping!

SCmSTR,

Oh yeah that was the worst. Game devs really shooting themselves in the foot with that design.

Once paused, should it just be a single button? Maybe a menu with an “are you sure? Y/n”, or maybe a hold down one or two buttons together for a couple seconds like on consoles?

SCmSTR,

Yeah no-pause feature was cool for one or two games as a gimmick, but Jesus h christ I’m an adult now and sometimes you need to freeze everything RIGHT NOW and single player games that you can’t pause are stupid as hell. Like I get maybe not pausing for accessing gear menu. But then at least give us a separate pause in case I have to run to the post office or take a business call or something

tetris11, do gaming w More than enough

Remember when games came self-contained on disks?

Bluegrass_Addict,

the only part to waiting to play the game was the drive home, not the game downloading, then downloading again with the updates.

tetris11,

PLEASE DRINK VERIFICATION CAN

AtariDump,
tetris11,

I never tire of reading this, just due to how prescient it is

ByteJunk,
@ByteJunk@lemmy.world avatar

Those CD loading screens made me long for my cartridges, to be fair…

iAmTheTot,

The transition away from discs is not inherently bad. Discs read very slowly. Cartridges are better for load times.

otacon239,

I always wondered why we didn’t transition to flash storage. Would be much easier to scale smaller releases, too.

jqubed,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

The Switch went back to it, or never left if you view it as a DS/3DS successor

otacon239,

I thought about this right after replying. Really, the GC, Wii and Wii U were more exception than rule with Nintendo. They’ve always liked their cartridge formats.

jqubed,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

I remember Nintendo getting trolled for still using cartridges with the Nintendo 64 when Sony was already using discs and it looked like the future. Nintendo’s response even then was the cartridges were faster, basically eliminating load time.

prettybunnys,

If only they could have figured out storage density back then.

Losing the RPGs to Sony was devastating to someone expecting (hoping) the N64 would be as good to the jrpg as the snes was.

iAmTheTot,

People seem weirdly attached to the idea of discs, in my experience. Without anything but anecdotes to back it up, I feel like people view discs as adult and cartridges as childish.

feannag,

I feel like most people don’t care they just want physical media and not be required to only go digital.

iAmTheTot,

Actually, in that regard I feel like the majority of people are fine with the transition to fully digital.

feannag,

I doubt most are fine with it, but its not a priority enough to not buy a specific game.

salacious_coaster,

Might be a generational thing you’re perceiving. For someone about my age, carts were what we used as little kids (NES, SNES) and a little longer if you stuck with Nintendo (N64) over PlayStation. The PlayStation kids tended to view Nintendo as “kid stuff.”

iAmTheTot,

Yes, I’ve considered that. Nintendo has mostly stuck to cartridges and their games are mostly cartoony, which is associated with childishness.

TORFdot0,

Switch carts are way easier to lose for one. Hard to lose a blu ray in my experience

Gerudo,

Disc was way cheaper to produce

ShinkanTrain,

Kinda moot these days when everything is using flash storage. Transfering a Blu-Ray to storage at 100MB/s before playing is an acceptable compromise if it means you can use the fastest possible storage for all games, without the cost.

Of course, this wouldn’t work on a portable not named PSP

TORFdot0,

I rather a game load a little bit slower than having to spend hundreds more for expanded storage or waste hours manually installing and uninstalling games.

iAmTheTot,

I think you’re probably in the minority on that one.

nuko147,
@nuko147@lemmy.world avatar

Nothing can reach an nvme drive. I heard Switch 2 had longer loading times from cartridges vs loading from internal storage or micro SD express card. And there is no way to store 100+GB games in there. Yeah textures in 4k hurt.

NutinButNet,

And it was the full game, not a broken mess that required updates and DLC to continue the story before the next title in the series.

apftwb,

A DVD can hold 4.7GB. 500GB is 107 DVDs.

tetris11,

Not when the games are over 20GB. A HD-DVD dual layer disc can hold 30GB. That should be more than enough for a self-contained game.

Assassassin, do games w Settings you believe ANY game should have? (This is me advocating for a restart/reboot button on ALL games)

Motion blur - OFF Screenshake - OFF

snooggums,

Those two features frequently make me nauseous! Being able to turn them off or at least down is a necessity for me.

Bluegrass_Addict,

my friends always want to ‘ppay the game the way it was intended’… cool, I’m still disabling all the crap that makes me not see the game properly.

JDPoZ,
@JDPoZ@lemmy.world avatar

Hey now… Don’t forget camera bob, “lens dirt,” chromatic aberration, and vignette!

AKA - the video game graphics equivalent of “beer goggles.”

Assassassin,

I’m okay with a little chromatic aberration and vignette. Camera bob can go straight to hell.

JDPoZ,
@JDPoZ@lemmy.world avatar

I’m okay with a little chromatic aberration and vignette.

Why? It’s literally something that pro camera tools have added in-software fixes for to remove them. Like - if you’re simulating an old JVC vidicon tube camera and wanting to make something specifically look like an image capture device from a specific time, I get it, but otherwise, it just seems like a way to hide the fact that your graphics aren’t quite hitting the realism mark and you think if you obscure it a bit, players will think it looks more “real.”

Assassassin,

I’m very aware, I’ve spent quite a bit of time over the years removing them from photography projects.

For vignette, it accomplishes a lot of the same thing in games as it does in photography in general: it is a subtle focus shifter. For some games - like some photos - I enjoy that little bit of extra emphasis on the center of the screen.

For chromatic abberation, i generally avoid it in photography, but it can be used for effect. I feel like that’s also true to a point in games. Over the top CA feels like trying to watch something without 3d glasses. A little bit on the fringes can give a smidge of retro (and, oddly, futuristic) style for effectively no compute cost. It’s definitely overused though, and I tend to turn it off more often than not.

JDPoZ,
@JDPoZ@lemmy.world avatar

Agreed on the “shifting focus” part for vignetting specifically - but everything else… outside of specifically tailoring to fit a particular “aesthetic” I think are crutches that are generally used to obscure an overall graphical presentation in order to work in a similar way to how squinting your eyes works.

I agree that highly stylized games like “Bodycam…”

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/585f3f1b-0600-4781-bd91-93ad3dd3bf4c.gif

…use things like a specific kind of grain, noise, distortion, aberration, etc. to create a highly appealing visual aesthetic designed to match an actual low-fidelity police body camera, but Battlefield and CoD have much less excuse in my book.

The camera aesthetic stuff only makes sense on things like the AC-130 killstreak in CoD where you’re emulating the on-aircraft cameras actually used in the real deal.

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

I’m glowering hard at No Man’s Sky’s permanent chromatic aberration effect applied to the top 20% of your viewport at all times, here.

Krudler,

Also fuck Bloom to hell

rtxn, do games w Settings you believe ANY game should have? (This is me advocating for a restart/reboot button on ALL games)

For over-the-shoulder games, separate field-of-view AND CAMERA DISTANCE.

For player-hosted games, an option to reject hosts using unsuitable hardware or low bandwidth, high latency networks. My gripe is specific to Warframe on the Switch 1, but if the developers of any game can’t/won’t operate public game servers and choose to offload the responsibility to the players, the choice should belong to the players.

SCmSTR,

Low fov and really far camera is ass

Almost as bad as low fov and too close camera and too low camera.

gustofwind, do games w Settings you believe ANY game should have? (This is me advocating for a restart/reboot button on ALL games)
@gustofwind@lemmy.world avatar

This is totally unrealistic but it would be sweet if there was a button for showing you a compilation of recent cutscenes or something for when you havnt played a story heavy game in a while and forgot what’s going on.

Like in the main menu give me a memory button or whatever that basically brings me up to speed to where I left off. Could be replaying cutscenes or showing me text of recent events, who knows 🤷‍♀️

But there are too many times i have to put a deep rpg down and then life gets in the way and picking it up again becomes impossible when it doesn’t feel like I’m there anymore

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

One of the latter Final Fantasies did this. I think it was 13? Despite that game’s many other rather glaring shortcomings, that part was pretty neat. I agree it should definitely be standard for most RPG and heavily story driven games.

gustofwind,
@gustofwind@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve seen a variety of half baked implementations. Sometimes you have a decent in game log but sometimes it’s also just the dialogue of your last conversation and nothing more 🥲

Essence_of_Meh, do games w Settings you believe ANY game should have? (This is me advocating for a restart/reboot button on ALL games)
@Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world avatar

Customisable difficulty. Have a single or multiple presets balanced to what you’d like your players to experience but give me an option to adjust some of the stuff to my liking. There are SO MANY games I’d love to play way more than I do but none of the difficulty options feel “right”, bringing the whole experience down.
It’s also a great feature from an accessibility standpoint - pretty important thing for those who literally can’t play your game for reasons that could be easily worked around if such customisation was there.

“But my artistic integrity and vision!”

No, shut up. Your vision doesn’t mean squat if my experience with the game is annoying to the point where I don’t even care about the lore implication of an enemy placement or how gameplay systems intertwine with themes and story of the game. It’s important, sure, but it shouldn’t be more important than player’s enjoyment of your product.

Balance your game how you imagine it but let me play with the sliders to make it feel how I want it to. Just drop a scary message about it not being the intended way to play and it’ll be fine.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I’m generally with you, but there are implications for the online game and matchmaking in the likes of Dark Souls games. By the time they got to Elden Ring, they seemed to care way less about things like invasions.

Essence_of_Meh,
@Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world avatar

Oh totally, I’m mostly focusing on solo and co-op titles like Terraria/Minecraft/Raft or whatever is popular for multiplayer these days. That said, it’s not like Souls games have to by played with online functionality even now - it’s already off when not in human form after all.

It’s not a perfect choice for every single title but a good chunk of games could support it without worrying about matchmaking and the like.

Ledivin,

But my artistic integrity and vision!"

No, shut up. Your vision doesn’t mean squat if my experience with the game is annoying to the point where I don’t even care

Nah, miss me with this bullshit. Not every game is for you, and it doesn’t have to be. An artist is not required to water down their vision because you’re picky.

Essence_of_Meh,
@Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world avatar

I agree to an extent but there’s a difference between “we made a specific design choice because it fits with what we want the game to convey” and “well, normal mode works like X and feels super easy to anyone experienced with gaming but on hard all the enemies are bullet sponges with 5x HP and player dies in one hit”. The latter approach brings nothing to the table and that’s what I’m against. Plus already mentioned accessibility options for those who need them.

Besides, many games ALREADY HAVE easy modes - giving me ability to adjust things manually (which in my case is usually up, not down) wouldn’t affect their vision any more than it’s already possible.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Monopoly has been one of the most popular board games for about a century, and hardly anyone plays by all of the official rules. Once I buy a game, if I want to play with house rules, I should be able to. Putting the sliders and such in game, even with the warning message mentioned above, just makes it easier to do so without having to rely on the community to make mods.

caut_R, (edited )

I have successfully (?) played (sometimes semi-suffered, cough, Sekiro) through a buncha popular hard games and have a way less „strong“ opinion on this but also think that an „easy mode“ as an accessibility feature is a good thing.

If, for example, a parent wants to connect with their child and also experience that game they‘re playing, it‘s really no big deal to me if they could turn on easy mode in, say, Sekiro to stand a chance. Not like it‘d impact my own experience at all, and I don‘t feel the need to force them to go through my own experience either. In Celeste, for instance, you can literally fly through the whole game if it makes you happy, and yet I still grabbed all strawberries the normal way and don‘t care if others did as well or just flew to them.

It‘s less of a demand from me and more of a „if you can you should definitely include it,“ though. Obviously doesn‘t work for full on competitive multiplayer titles or something similar though.

Not even sure how much of this addresses your remark specifically, but my feelings on this felt best placed below yours lol

Goodeye8,

Sekiro can be used to make an interesting point about easy mode. One could argue that the first playthrough is the easy mode because in new game plus you can give away Kuro’s charm which means only perfect blocks prevent chip damage. Does easy mode mean it has to easier or does it mean it has to be without challenge?

DamienGramatacus,

Absolutely. Normal is easy mode, charmless is normal mode and charmless with bell demon is true hard mode. After I completed a charmless run, normal really did feel so much easier.

Whether it should have a dedicated “easy” mode or not, I’m really torn. It took me months to get through my first playthrough but the sense of achievement was immense and like no other gaming experience before. I simply wouldn’t have had that feeling without the struggle. But I also have no accessibility concerns so it’s a very one sided opinion.

Goodeye8,

I’m fully of the opinion that difficulty is a matter of determination. If a quadriplegic can beat Elden Ring then I really don’t know what kind of a disability someone would have to have to not be able to play difficult games.

I’m not against difficulty options. I turn the difficulty down in some games because I think the higher difficulties simply funnel you into a certain playstyle (looking at you Bethesda). But difficulty options IMO are more of am accessibility for the sake of convenience rather than a necessity and as such I don’t think every game requires difficulty options.

mic_check_one_two,

Video games are the only art medium where people find it acceptable to gate-keep the art from the unskilled or the disabled.

Imagine buying a movie ticket, then the theater goes “no you aren’t good enough at watching movies to watch this movie. You only get to see the first 10 minutes. It just isn’t for you.” Imagine paying to go to a museum, and they tell you “sorry, you are only allowed to look at the art in the foyer because you aren’t good enough to enter the rest of the museum.”

Difficulty settings are, first and foremost, accessibility settings. Don’t want the game to be too easy? Don’t fucking turn down the difficulty. Saying “I don’t want the game to be easier” is really just saying “I know I don’t have any self-control, and would inevitably turn down the difficulty when I hit a roadblock.”

Ledivin,

Video games are the only art medium where people find it acceptable to gate-keep the art from the unskilled or the disabled.

Yes, deaf people are famously well-accomodated by music, and paintings are always very accessible to the blind. Games are the first medium to ever be inaccessible to people.

Don’t want the game to be too easy? Don’t fucking turn down the difficulty. Saying “I don’t want the game to be easier” is really just saying “I know I don’t have any self-control, and would inevitably turn down the difficulty when I hit a roadblock.”

You’re complaining about players opinions, but I’m saying the artist is not required to sacrifice their vision for accessibility reasons. Not all art is for everyone, and that’s fine. You don’t have to play every game.

mic_check_one_two, (edited )

That’s a pretty ignorant take. I work in a music venue and art gallery as an event planner and curator, so it’s pretty funny that you listed those two things specifically. I personally know three blind artists who consistently blow me away with what they are able to produce.

One has tunnel vision, and can see an area about the size of a quarter held at arms’ length. He tends to work with textiles and wood carvings, which he can feel.

The second can see shades of brightness, but very little color; she primarily works in shades of grey or sepia. She has a bright light over her workbench, so she can see the contrast as she lays down darker material that soaks up the light.

The third went fully blind in his 20’s due to a degenerative condition. He grew up with full vision, then he had to adapt later in life as his vision degenerated. He uses paint thinner to thin out the various colors to different consistencies, so he can feel which colors are where. I have one of his prints hanging on my office wall right now, and it is absolutely breathtaking even before you learn he’s fucking blind.

Art galleries have taken steps to make things like paintings accessible to blind patrons. Unless it’s something like watercolor that soaks into the canvas and lays flat, paint has depth and texture. Especially thicker paints like oils. 3D scans of paintings allow people to feel the paint layers on printed busts. Artists like Van Gogh used paint texture as an inherent part of their piece, and galleries have attempted to turn that into a tactile experience. You haven’t truly seen Starry Night until you have seen it in person, (or at least seen a 3D scan of it). Flat prints simply don’t do it justice. And for other mediums, guided tours have descriptive service options for blind patrons.

And we get deaf/HoH patrons at concerts all the time. They enjoy the crowd experience, and they can feel the beat via vibration. Hell, I just organized a concert for next week, where we have an ASL interpreter. Deaf/HoH people regularly have music fucking blaring on kick ass sound systems. They may be able to hear certain parts of it if it’s loud enough, or maybe they just enjoy the beat. But regardless of the reason, they absolutely can enjoy music.

Ledivin, (edited )

You gave lots of examples that accommodate these disabilities, and that’s awesome and obviously I support that!

What you aren’t arguing for anywhere in this comment is that every artist be required to do these things. Somehow game developers are exempt from this grace? You called out watercolor but don’t appear to be angry at watercolor artists like you are at game developers. Why are all games required to accommodate all people, but other art isn’t? Why is that where your line is drawn?

mic_check_one_two, (edited )

What you aren’t arguing for anywhere in this comment is that every artist be required to do these things. Somehow game developers are exempt from this grace? Why are all games required to accommodate people, but other art isn’t? Why is that where your line is drawn?

Quite the opposite. I fully believe that if art can be accessible, it should be. That’s why I listed things like 3D scans for oils, descriptive services, or textiles and sculptures that people can feel.

And things like ASL interpreters are legally required by law, and we as the venue can be sued if we refuse to make reasonable efforts to accommodate them. We can’t even charge those patrons extra for tickets, despite the fact that the ASL interpreter is more expensive than the entire price of their ticket. If they request it within a reasonable timeframe, we are legally obligated to hire an interpreter for the show that the patron will be at, even though we know we will lose money on it. We can’t even ask for proof that the person is deaf, because that would put an undue burden on the person with the disability; We just have to take them at their word, and hire the ASL interpreter on blind faith that they’re not forcing us to spend money extraneously.

We also have hearing assist devices integrated into our sound system, for the HoH patrons who just need a private audio feed. We can provide either wireless headphones, or a magnetic loop which hearing aids can tune into. So they have the option of controlling the volume directly with headphones, or using the hearing aids they already have and like. That cost is taken on entirely by the venue, because it allows those HoH patrons to get a similar experience as the rest of the audience. Because (again) the law requires that we make reasonable accommodations to ensure every patron (including those with disabilities) gets an equivalent experience.

As someone who regularly has to do extra work to accommodate people with disabilities: People with disabilities shouldn’t be excluded from art simply because it is extra effort to accommodate them. Accessibility isn’t something that should be optional, because it helps everyone eventually. Would you argue against accessibility ramps for building entrances, because it would ruin the architect’s artistic vision for a grand staircase? Would you argue against subtitles for a movie, because it would take up screen space that the director had intentionally used for action? Would you argue against Velcro or bungie-lace shoes, because the fashion designers had flat laces in mind when they designed it? Would you argue against audiobooks for blind people, because the author is dead and couldn’t collaborate to choose a narrator that fit their artistic vision? No? So why is other art required to take reasonable steps to provide accommodations, but video games aren’t? Why is that where your line is drawn?

jjjalljs,

Difficulty settings are, first and foremost, accessibility settings.

I’m not opposed to more options but I think this tactic is distracting and generates more pushback than it wins converts.

Are games art? I’d say so, usually. Some are more like toys than art, but many have creative expression

If they are are, must all art be accessible to all people? Well, what does accessible mean exactly? To understand it completely? Then I’d say trivially no, because there are many books that are incomprehensible to many people. No one is going to say “House of Leaves” is inaccessible and the author did a gatekeeping by writing it as such. No one is going to say Finnegans Wake is ableist because it’s hard to understand.

Must all aspects of all art be completable by all people? I’d also say trivially no. You might have a segment in French that doesn’t translate well. You can dub it or subtitle it, but the original experience will remain inaccessible unless the audience spends years mastering French.

I bring that up because some games will have within the game, not a metagame menu setting, easier or harder routes. For example, Elden Ring with a big shield and spirit ashes is significantly easier than a naked parry build. Is the expectation that everyone should be able to finish in both styles? If there’s a hard mode, must everyone be able to finish it?

Should everyone be able to trivially 100% every game?

Personally I think the floor is everyone should be able to interface with the game. Change inputs. Add subtitles.

I don’t really think “I can’t party this spear guy” is an accessibility problem the same way “I’m color blind and can’t read the text” is.

But again, I don’t care if someone wants a god-mode with auto-parry. It just feels like it’s bundling some unrelated ideas together. You’re not necessarily disabled if you’re bad at parrying in dark souls.

kuhli,

Difficulty settings are, first and foremost, accessibility settings.

I have to disagree with this. Difficulty settings are at best a bandaid solution to accessibility. The vast vast majority of difficulty settings change the overall gameplay experience, games are far too complex for ‘just make it easier’ to be an appropriate approach to accessibility.

Just reducing enemy health, simplifying enemy ai, etc. can only make a game more accessible as a side effect, it doesn’t address the actual accessibility issues people might have.

I also don’t think games should have hard modes. They should have exactly 1 difficulty the developers balance around.

There absolutely should be accessibility options that have the side effect of making the game easier but making the game easier is the wrong approach to make it accessible.

My suggestion would be stuff like tuning response windows to the results of a reaction time test, aim assist options, visual cues for sound effects, etc. Those make the game easier but do it by addressing a single specific issue, or combination of issues, someone’s dealing with instead of just slapping on a one size fits all solution.

tanisnikana,

I would like to experience more artistic works, but after two strokes, my right hand is nearly useless.

Miss me with your ableist bullshit.

Lojcs,

I think it’d be better to have assist modes than difficulty options. As difficulty is traditionally associated with changing things like health and damage (or worse, opaquely disabling mechanics) that are fundamental to game balance I think it is too easy to be abused as a cop out from having to balance the game.

Things like slowing the pace of the game, adding aim assist, visual indicators for audio cues, more lenient hit boxes, more frequent saves would be way more useful imo. Optional mechanics or modifiers can exist, but they shouldn’t be bundled with other random stuff.

Essence_of_Meh,
@Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world avatar

I completely agree that accessibility/assist modes are more important and if I had to choose I’d go with that. Since we’re in a fantasy land however I’m still going to advocate for customisation because, let’s be honest, most of the difficulties (besides “the main one”) are usually not that great.

I’m speaking from a perspective of someone who tends to go for the higher difficulty options which extremely often go with the laziest possible decisions like turning enemies into damage sponge and increasing their attack power. That’s it. Stuff like improved enemy awareness, faster reaction times, smarter tactics aren’t exactly common and that’s my main pain point when selecting difficulty. There are also other things like ammo/loot scarcity, need drain in survival games etc.

Having an option to tweak at least some of these things could help folks like me who often end up in a situation when one difficulty is piss easy and the other feels like a drag. Peoples skills and expectations vary way too and there’s simply no way few basic difficulty settings will be right for everyone. And if someone damages their experience? Oh well, let people make mistakes and take responsibility for their choices. Inform them that changing this stuff will affect their experience and leave them to their decisions. We can’t (and shouldn’t) baby-proof everything, in my opinion.

kuhli,

I’m fine with that, dishonored 2 did a really good job of this with its custom difficulty option. I’d argue that games should just have 1 difficulty, developers can balance around that. Let people mess with any of the easy values difficulty modes usually change

Essence_of_Meh,
@Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world avatar

I’d be down with that. Or at the very least give us modifiers like skulls in Halo games - dunno if that’s just Master Chief Collection addition or if they became a thing after 1 but it’s better than nothing.

B0NK3RS, do games w Settings you believe ANY game should have? (This is me advocating for a restart/reboot button on ALL games)
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

Internet Connection - On/Off

Lenna,
@Lenna@piefed.ca avatar

And by OFF, we mean actually off. The last thing I want is the game to push out a minor update 5 years after its last update, and all of the mods I have are now broken.

mic_check_one_two, (edited )

Yeah, you should be able to pick a specific version number for single player games. I’m fine with it defaulting to “latest”, but at least give me the option to stick to a specific version.

Also, fuck the “Would you like to share all data with the publisher, or only limited data” bullshit. It’s a single player game with no multiplayer whatsoever. I shouldn’t need to share any data with the publisher. If I see this shit, the game immediately gets blacklisted in my firewall.

B0NK3RS,
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

That is a reason why offline installers are so important. At the very least we should be able to disable auto updates and still launch the (outdated) game.

emb,

Reminds me of one of my biggest pet peeves - a bunch of games will pop up a warning “Oh no, you’re not on the Internet! Some stuff won’t work!” on start up, always. Hate it, unless I’m trying to connect to a multiplayer mode of some sort.

A setting like this should ideally prevent those.

ghostlychonk,

The most frustrating for me was Immortals: Fenix Rising on the Switch. I refused to create an Ubisoft account and actually had to put my system on airplane mode so it would stop trying to force one on me.

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