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iamdefinitelyoverthirteen, do games w Signatures skyrocket for **Stop Killing Games** campaign after big youtubers take up the cause, resulting in 100k signatures in 48 hours. (Details on how to help in text body of post)

Fuck Thor.

EncryptKeeper,

I mean, big YouTubers like Charlie and others covering Thor’s bullshit is what drove this huge spike in signatures so maybe we should be thanking Thor lol

iamdefinitelyoverthirteen,

“Fuck you, Thor, but also thanks. But definitely fuck you, Thor.”

driving_crooner,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

“And by thanks I actually means fuck you”

Jax,

Nah, fuck Thor — he could have been the YouTuber pushing for coverage of Stop Killing Games, instead he decided to double down on his stupid bullshit.

Reminder — he was a Blizzard employee for 7 years. I think that, plus his ‘my shit doesn’t stink and if you think it does, you’re wrong and banned’ attitude should give you all you need to know.

Phegan,

Thor reminds me a lot of chatgpt. Subjects that I am not an expert in, he sounds intelligent and like he is providing good advice. The second he provides advice in an area where I am a subject matter expect, it makes me realize how full of shit he is.

NeilBru, (edited )
@NeilBru@lemmy.world avatar

Unless someone corrects me, I think his argument boils down to, “we shouldn’t allow the release of server binaries for online-enabled games because it’s too hard for the developers”.

Well, if that’s the case, then Thor, that’s a “you” (the company) problem. Not a “me” (the consumer) problem. And if you’re not going to release a server binary but we’re “buying” the game, purchasers have legitimate moral and legal grounds to demand that they be informed that they are buying a license, or renting, the game; they are not owning a functional copy of the game outright.

Addendum, for clarity:

My beef isn’t even with a games-as-a-service premise at all. It’s the corporatist trend in arguing that single-player experiences need perpetual online connectivity, or that releasing self-hosted PvP server functionality is prima fascia “unrealistic in every scenario”.

Some games, like WoW, no way. I understand the depth of the server stack for MMOs. Other games that are PvP-competitive could easily be self-hosted.

The irony is that these companies could still make a boatload of money off of these old competitive online games with more maps and skins, even though they’ve deprecated their own server stack and cloud-back-end. Essentially, they’d pass the burden of hosting to the players, but still sell content sporadically.

“Stop Killing Games” needs more refined language about what it’s asking for, no doubt. There are many scenarios where blanket statements about demanding source code are just not feasible.

I’m turning 42 this summer. I’ve been a software developer for 15 years now. I’d like to even say that a few of those years I even came across like I knew what I was talking about. But this basic issue is not about software development. This is about consumer advocacy, and it was a huge turn off to watch him perform the mental gymnastics on why people should be screwed over why false/deceptive advertising by the industry is acceptable.

aidan,

Its not allowing the release, its requiring it.

NeilBru,
@NeilBru@lemmy.world avatar

Good.

Require it; if I buy something I require every feature of my own product, if I purchased it

Too hard? Fine.

Then the law should require the fact that you the seller must say I’m renting a game or product, or purchased a limited license. They can’t say I “bought it and own it” if they can prevent me from using it however I want whenever they want. Force them to be explicitly clear about what I’m getting for my money.

Syrc,

purchasers have legitimate moral and legal grounds to demand that they be informed that they are buying a license, or renting, the game; they are not owning a functional copy of the game outright.

I’m pretty sure that’s already the case, if you read the ToS of most games.

Not that it makes this any better.

NeilBru, (edited )
@NeilBru@lemmy.world avatar

The typeface must be 16pt, bold, and the copy itself should be on the front page and be required on the cover description(s).

My beef isn’t even with a games-as-a-service premise at all. It’s the corporatist trend in arguing that single-player experiences need perpetual online connectivity, or that releasing self-hosted PvP server functionality is prima fascia “unrealistic in every scenario”. Some games, like WoW, no way. I get the depth of the server stack for MMOs. Other games that are PvP-competitive could easily be self-hosted. These companies could still make money off of these old competitive online games, even though they’ve deprecated their own server stack.

“Stop Killing Games” needs more refined language about what it’s asking for, no doubt. There are many scenarios where blanket statements about demanding source code are just not feasible.

However, let’s not pretend that the industry is not pushing enshittification tactics used by almost every business that’s publicly traded. That’s the spirit in which this movement is fighting against.

Vince, do gaming w Did you even try?

Haven’t checked since launch, is it still hard to find?

beben_egg,

Just picked one up from gamestop, and it was the only one available from any store within the last two weeks in a 50 mile radius.

Vince,

Sounds like I’ll still be waiting then, thanks.

FinalRemix,

The systems weren’t hard to find on day 1. The overpriced accessories were all sold out, though.

rustyfish, (edited ) do games w Signatures skyrocket for **Stop Killing Games** campaign after big youtubers take up the cause, resulting in 100k signatures in 48 hours. (Details on how to help in text body of post)
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck that. I’m sending this to everyone I know. Gamer or not. Common sense alone demands a signature.

Edit: This far 2 gamers finally put their signatures on it and 4 non gamers went with it too. So with me we’re at 7 signatures.

I did my part. But I think it won’t be enough. Yes, after Ross spoke up every content creator and their grandparents started shitting in Pirates mouth and is advertising the petition like crazy. But sadly these kind of things are a bit circle jerky and will be watched by the same people.

insaneinthemembrane,

Exactly. Some of my best friends are gamers.

Ibuthyr, do games w Signatures skyrocket for **Stop Killing Games** campaign after big youtubers take up the cause, resulting in 100k signatures in 48 hours. (Details on how to help in text body of post)

I filled in all the fields and it keeps telling me “Field required”. I’ll try it later when I’m at my desktop PC.

Dagnet, do gaming w [Lvl2Frog] Tips and Tricks

Most underrated power the dragonborn has is to be able to stop time indefinitely to eat, drink and swap gear as he wishes

ImplyingImplications, do gaming w [Lvl2Frog] Tips and Tricks

That’s the same reaction I have when the boss can use items!

Tomato666, do gaming w Gaming Swan Song

I wish you the best kind stranger.

Thanks for the mention of Chuckie Egg and Repton. I remember playing them on my Acorn Electron back many moons ago.

Good luck with your journey

apotheotic, do gaming w Gaming Swan Song

I’m so happy you’re finding your way out of a pit! I don’t know why you think it would be an unpopular thing to share, you’re on Beehaw here! People tend to be(e) a bit nicer

ininewcrow, do gaming w [Lvl2Frog] Tips and Tricks
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

Eats 10,000 bread … gets Level 14 diabetes

melroy, do gaming w Did you even try?
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

He also dropped other perks you can try to pick up, if you have enough inventory place left.

Asafum, do gaming w Did you even try?

It’s as easy as taking a switch 2 from a baby!

…exactly like that as a matter of fact.

son_named_bort,

Didn’t work out well for Mr. Burns.

Aielman15, (edited ) do games w Signatures skyrocket for **Stop Killing Games** campaign after big youtubers take up the cause, resulting in 100k signatures in 48 hours. (Details on how to help in text body of post)
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

It saddens me that my country (Italy) has such a low percentage of signatures. Most of us are either ignorant of anything happening outside of our borders, or straight up doomers who don’t believe anything can ever change for the better.

Big congrats to my fellow northern cousins. I was expecting Poland, who has a healthy videogame industry, to gather a good enough number of signatures, but 160% is wild! It’s refreshing seeing so many people joining the petition - It’s not even about videogames: this initiative will have huge repercussions on the lifespan of other, unrelated products and, in general terms, planned obsolescence.

ProdigalFrog,

I think it’s been very hard for us to spread awareness into countries where a majority don’t also speak English, as the organizer and much of the coverage is only in English.

If you know of any big Italian gaming YouTubers or streamers that might be receptive to helping or talking about the campaign, could you reach out to them about it with a comment?

Aielman15, (edited )
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately, that’s not my area of expertise. I don’t follow streamers or YouTubers (Italian or international), nor do I have a close enough relationship with any of them that I’d be able to talk to them and convince them to mention this petition to their fans.

The one and only time some friends and I attempted to interact with a few local content creators (to publicize our free fan games we poured hundreds of hours into and NEVER attempted to monetize in any way), we either got ignored, insulted, or received vague answers that went nowhere. It soured me towards Italian content creators and vowed to never interact with them again.

ProdigalFrog,

Sorry to hear that they were so nasty. :(

Vittelius, (edited )

One thing you can do: In person organising. It’s something the campaign has been really bad at. Have some flyers printed up and start handing them out. I don’t know the Italian school schedule, but if universities are still in session they might be good targets.

I did it last year, first at Gamescom and then at a local uni and I think it helped spread the word.

biofaust,

Raiden and Midna at PLAYERINSIDE did it (again) this week and are going to do it again in their video today.

I bet that if they point out that we are losing to the French, we may achieve incredible results in record time.

Except in Pisa.

insaneinthemembrane,

Where do you see signatures by country?

Vittelius,
pipes,
@pipes@sh.itjust.works avatar

Here are the up-to-date numbers, the threshold percentages are now better than shown the image in the post but there’s still a long way to reach the total of 1 million

ech, do gaming w Did you even try?

Are you a hobbit? Cause that’s a dagger/knife.

NessD,
thejoker954,

Based on the pommel and cross guard, I’d say it’s a short sword.

ech,

What short sword has a handle that makes up nearly half its length?

thejoker954,

The handle doesn’t look that long to me. The blade looks to be at least twice as long as the hilt - and the hilt looks like it could only hold a single handspan comfortably.

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

It looks like a Badgarlass

Pyr_Pressure, do games w Signatures skyrocket for **Stop Killing Games** campaign after big youtubers take up the cause, resulting in 100k signatures in 48 hours. (Details on how to help in text body of post)
@Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca avatar

Everyone was calling it “stop killing games” instead of “stop destroying games” and I literally thought it was a petition to stop games with murder and violence lol never even got farther than seeing the title.

Definitely a good idea to switch over to stop destroying games if that wasn’t the official title already…

seralth,

Damn great example of why it’s stupid to only read headlines.

Pyr_Pressure,
@Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m not going to read something if the title doesn’t interest me. It’s also a great example of write headlines that are accurate and informative.

Nelots,

I would love to know where the people who downvoted you are getting the time and energy to read every single article they see a headline for.

Pyr_Pressure,
@Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca avatar

And every book they don’t like the title/cover for

MacAttak8, (edited )

By that logic I might assume your new title for the movement is to stop any games with destruction! Make only wholesome games!

Edit: Also “destroying” a game is very subjective. Your suggestion is definitely a downgrade.

DominatorX1,

Ya me too.

But everybody loves mass murder.

GrantUsEyes, (edited ) do gaming w Gaming Swan Song

I’m going through an involuntary gaming “detox” due to hardware issues, and I’ve found myself with the time and motivation to resume some personal projects I had abandoned all together; that kinda gave me a reality check that perhaps I’m taking away a little too much time from other hobbies and interests. I’m glad that you are taking back control of your time, and hopefully you can come back to games with a healthier perspective later. :)

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