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GammaGames, do gaming w Founder of Arkane Studios: "I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales

Hell yeah, he’s 1000% right

Jeffool, (edited ) do games w Founder of Arkane Studios: "I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales
@Jeffool@lemmy.world avatar

Game Pass obviously and absolutely affects game sales. At the same time this conversation only happens because we’re comparing “the industry with Game Pass” to “games at face value”. That second one only lasted 10-15-ish years. Before that, there was “the industry with game rentals”. Blockbuster was also absolutely eating up some sales.

But game rentals were often seen as a “try before you buy” case to many, as you may want to play a game more than 3-5 days. So maybe the answer is don’t lease your game to Game Pass for a year at a time. Just offer it for a month or three. (Also make an easy way for the non-technical to export/import saves.) This also would let Microsoft make more deals for more games in their rotation. Seems like a shorter time helps everyone out.

sp3ctr4l,

Yeah, it used to be quite common for PC gaming magazines to include a demo disk, basically, here’s the game and the first level or two, often you could fit a couple game’s demo versions on one cd.

GamesPass could easily do something like uh… hey, this game here, you can play for 2 or 5 or 10 hours, and then if you want more, you can buy it with… I dunno, a 1/4 to 1/3 discount if you’re subbed to GamesPass, and you’ve got the playtime.

tobz619,

Yeah, honestly, what was wrong with games releasing Demos?

I think a lot of games would do well if they also bundled limited demos of other games with them too like back in the old days.

pyre, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

they say “developer choice” because they know those words have positive connotations but what they mean is “publisher greed”

awesomeperson300, do gaming w [Ended] [Steam Key Giveaway] 3x Stardew Valley to give away

I have played Stardew Valley before but it was a pirated copy. I have it wish listed on steam but I only purchased two games on steam and I find the payment process to be a bit tedious. I may look into buying it someday but if I win this giveaway, then I don’t have to buy it. 🙂

kemsat, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

If it means developers won’t make “live-service”/trash games anymore, we should hasten the SKG movement.

sugar_in_your_tea,

They still will, this will just limit their ability to force you to move to the next one once the servers shut down.

groet,

Most likely, if they are forced to allow public servers after they shut down the official ones, they will pull some other bullshit. Like claim the game is still available, but the 300$ cosmetics you bought are not allowed on public servers because they are separate from the game.

Goodeye8,

Honestly I'd even prefer that because it diminishes the value of in game purchases and would be a step towards getting rid of them as well.

sugar_in_your_tea,

They should be compelled to either make those cosmetics available for everyone or have some technical means to prove ownership (e.g. blockchain or cryptographically signed file). You can’t lose stuff you bought just because the publisher shut down the servers.

groet,

You can’t lose stuff you bought just because the publisher shut down the servers.

I mean that’s exactly how it works right now. And depending on the exact wording of any laws passed as a result of this petition only the game itself or some or all micro transactions will have to be made available after official support ends.

Public servers will either sell micro transactions themselves to finance servers or make all in game content available to everyone for free. I can see publishers having a problem with that.

sugar_in_your_tea,

that’s exactly how it works right now

Right, I’m explaining how Stop Killing Games would change things if adopted.

Public servers will either sell micro transactions themselves

That can certainly be restricted, since they’re profiting off someone else’s IP. Selling hosting is one thing, reselling assets in the game is another thing entirely and AFAIK would be a violation of copyright’s fair use provisions.

If they’re no longer profiting from a game, surely releasing access to gated content isn’t an issue any more? It’s not like they are losing anything. So I think unlocking cosmetics for everyone would be fine, but it’s up to them. If they want to preserve the restriction, they can find a way that doesn’t reauire ongoing costs, such as the ones I mentioned.

RonnieB,

FPS games with community servers coming back is my dream

Soggy,

Only server browser, no matchmaking.

Kolanaki, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Fuck developer choice! What about my choice as a consumer?

sirico,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

That’s easy have some self control and only buy games that respect you

sugar_in_your_tea,

True. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t attack predatory behavior when we see it. If they want to sell me something, I need to own it, and that means I get to use it after they’ve stopped supporting it.

MimicJar,
@MimicJar@lemmy.world avatar

When I pay to see a film in a theater, I don’t own the film. I don’t get to watch the film again after it leaves the theater.

While I pay to see a concert, a play, or a musical, I don’t own those performances. I don’t get to see them again. They generally aren’t recorded (Although that is changing in some limited cases.)

I do think a game dying is terrible and I do think games should be clearly labeled (so people can make an education decision if they want to rent the game).

burntbacon,

This isn’t paying to see a concert, play, or musical. This is buying a book for amazon’s e-reader, and them not allowing you to read the book anymore when they put out the book’s sequel.

spankmonkey,
@spankmonkey@lemmy.world avatar

Or buying a physical book where they printed it with ink that fades after 2 years so it is no longer readable.

vaultdweller013,

Fun fact a company did this with DVDs back in the day, once you broke the seal on it the air would react with a coating on the disk which would become increasingly dark until it became unreadable.

MimicJar,
@MimicJar@lemmy.world avatar

But you are not buying a game, you are renting it.

I absolutely agree that companies shouldn’t be able to say they’re selling you a game. They should make it 100% clear that you are renting it.

I’m also onboard with requiring p2p/LAN functionality for multiplayer.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Sure, you’re paying for a performance when you watch a film or play at a theater. If I pay to watch a video game tournament, I’m likewise paying for a performance, not the game.

When you buy a film (DVD, Bluray, or Digital Copy) or a recording of a play performance, you own that copy and can watch it as often as you want for as many years into the future as you want. What we’re saying is that video games should work the same way, if I buy a game, I should be able to play it whenever I want at any point in the future. That’s it, it’s the same thing as with a film.

psud,

I don’t know how you could do that without staying exclusively on open source

I’m old enough that the games I’m nostalgic for are on floppy discs on my shelf, but now the games I play are downloaded and rely on whatever company keeping a server up to authenticate me

Who knows what Microsoft will do with Minecraft in 30 years

Who knows what Steam will do with the licences it’s sold me

catsarebadpeople, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact
@catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works avatar

Good. Your choices are bad

webghost0101, do gaming w Don't touch me with that stuff

They know to never use from your own supply. They know the downsides and admit openly that organics remain more reliable.

The one ripper i recall that did have chrome only did because she was attacked by a customer who chopped of her arm.

bungle_in_the_jungle, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

Lol. We’re gamers. We know that if we encounter enemies we’re going in the right direction.

Railcar8095,

Still trying to find the right direction on animal crossing.

FooBarrington,

Towards the bees!

Gonzako,

paying your debts. The game breaks as it cannot speculate anymore on your debt

EarMaster, do games w Founder of Arkane Studios: "I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales
@EarMaster@lemmy.world avatar

Is it as bad as the time Netflix killed the movie industry?

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

The movie industry is plenty capable of killing itself.

skisnow, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

“curtail developer choice” is such a weak argument because you could equally apply it to literally every piece of regulation ever passed. Of course it curtails choice, that’s almost the dictionary definition of an industry regulation.

chrislowles, (edited ) do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

We saw the depths a nepo baby from Blizzard would go for this initiative to fail, can’t imagine what could happen with a body comprised of people from the biggest worms in the industry (Epic, EA, Activision, Microsoft, Ubi et al.)

Kolanaki, do games w Founder of Arkane Studios: "I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

It stopped being just $1 and instantly became the worst thing ever. /s

naught, do games w Day 354 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing

This would’ve scared the shit out of me as a kid

atro_city, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

Keep signing it! Don't stop!

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