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ArsonButCute, do games w what video game deserves to be in a museum?

All of them.

Art is art is art.

ChaoticNeutralCzech,

All glory to Hareraiser!

ArsonButCute,

Bad art is still art

oplkill,

Even stolen art still art

christian,
@christian@lemmy.ml avatar

I clicked your link not expecting to watch more than thirty seconds but watched the full thing, that was a great lecture.

otp,

Not every single piece of art goes into a museum

tatann, do games w what video game deserves to be in a museum?

Anthem

(For history purpose, just like there are museums for the Holocaust or the WTC)

Bosht,

I still mourne over what that game could have been.

tatann,

Meh, I mean the gameplay is nice but Bioware hasn’t been able to write a good game for more than a decade, I don’t expect anything from them anymore

MojoMcJojo, do games w what video game deserves to be in a museum?

Dwarf Fortress, obviously.

son_named_bort, do games w what video game deserves to be in a museum?

I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned the Strong Museum of Play which contains the video game hall of fame

Kowowow, do games w Robocop: Rouge City

Coming to the comments to see what the joke is, huh loundry oddly doesn’t set off my autocorrect

bjoern_tantau, do games w Every RPG subgenre acronym, decoded
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Nice. Didn’t know thag PRPGs are a thing. I take it that Gothic would qualify although it is German?

What about dungeon crawlers, like Ultima, Lands of Lore or Might & Magic? To me they seem to be very distinct from isometric CRPGs.

atomicpoet, (edited )

There’s a lot of subgenres I wanted to include, but I felt this document was already too long. Here’s more of them:

  • DBRPG = Deck-building RPG
  • SurRPG = Survival RPG
  • RLRPG = Rogue-like RPG
  • SLRPG = Souls-like RPG

I don’t know why I overlooked GRPGs since Germany has some pretty important ones. You mentioned Gothic, but there’s also both the Sacred series and ELEX series.

I’d say that while both GRPGs and PRPGs are releated to each other, there’s some big differences that go beyond nationality. I’d say GRPGs are more like a muddy Renaissance faire going on while PRPGs have more of a storybook style.

EDIT: In the interest of thoroughness, I added even more subgenre acronyms.

eezeebee, do games w Every RPG subgenre acronym, decoded
@eezeebee@lemmy.ca avatar

Everybody’s talkin’ 'bout the new massively open-world online multiplayer virtual mobile browser bulletin board tabletop Japanese Western Polish Latin American Korean idle action real-time turn-based strategic role playing game, funny, but it’s still RPG to me 🎶

Zizzy, do games w Every RPG subgenre acronym, decoded

Quick correction, even though the A in ARPG stands for action, action RPGs and ARPGs are not the same genre and you cant (well you can, but you shouldnt bc then youre purposefully being obtuse) just abbreviate it. I dont really like this list for other reasons, but I can see that you did put some effort into it so I dont want to be super critical.

atomicpoet,

The ARPGs you’re probably referring to, I call them Diablo-likes to distinguish them from all the other action RPGs.

SharkAttak,
@SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org avatar

I still remember someone saying that Diablo was a beat-em up, not a RPG 😁. We probably didn't know the term "hack'n'slash", but still makes me chuckle.

atomicpoet,

Terms can definitely be confusing. Diablo is definitely a hack-n’-slash, but it’s very different from the likes of Golden Axe and God of War.

AlexisFR,
@AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

Where Warframe would fit in this? It’s kinda a MMO (but not a MMO) with a lot of stat based progression.

atomicpoet,

ARPG + MORPG hybrid with looter shooter characteristics.

It doesn’t really fit anywhere cleanly, though.

_NetNomad,
@_NetNomad@fedia.io avatar

what's the difference between an Action RPG and an ARPG to you?

nyctre,

One’s assassin’s Creed/horizon zero dawn/god of war, etc. The other is path of exile, diablo, torchlight, grim dawn etc.

Beacon, do games w Every RPG subgenre acronym, decoded

Great write up! There were a small number of items in the descriptions that I didn't know what they were, for example RNG and Eurojank

atomicpoet,

RNG = random number generator. In gaming, this just means random chance. Whenever loot drops, critical hits land, enemies spawn, or dice rolls decide outcomes, that’s RNG at work.

Eurojank is a term for European-developed games (usually from Central or Eastern Europe) that are ambitious, creative, and full of unique ideas… but also full of technical rough edges.

BunScientist, do games w what video game deserves to be in a museum?

for a more “traditional paint” like experience, Gris is just gorgeous to look at

LustyArgonianMana, do games w what video game deserves to be in a museum?
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

Terraria, a monument to indie games and the craft itself, gave tons of free content and still does, unlike the popular pay for expansion models on a half finished buggy game of their contemporaries

Also Journey and Flower for different reasons

SlartyBartFast, do games w what video game deserves to be in a museum?

Probably One Must Fall 2097

Zanmato, do gaming w A game, or series of, you believe belongs in a museum?

Devil May Cry, definitely! Something that begun as one of many RE4’s demos, ended up as an inspiration for other series, such as Bayonetta!

Dark Souls: it proved that gamers are still craving challenge and created its own genre as well.

Metroid & Castlevania: without them, we wouldn’t have one of the greatest genres of all time!

Onimusha: my favourite one. It’s a living proof that hope dies last. We’ll get another entry after 20 years! (Dawn of Dreams was released on 2006)

Tattorack, do games w what video game deserves to be in a museum?
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Hmm… Good question… They’ll have to be the kind of videogame that was the first to do something, or set the standard for something, or has had a huge, long lasting cultural impact that can still be felt today.

So in that hypothetical museum I’d nominate:

  • Pong.
  • Tetris.
  • Donkey Kong arcade game.
  • Super Mario.
  • Super Mario 64.
  • Crash Bandicoot
  • Metroid (the first one).
  • Castlevania (the original one).
  • Hollow Knight.
  • Mario Kart.
  • The Legend of Zelda (the first one).
  • TES III Morrowind.
  • TES V Skyrim.
  • Doom (the original one).
  • Half Life.
  • Counter Strike (the original one).
  • Ultima.
  • Ultima Online.
  • Dune (the RTS game).
  • Warcraft.
  • World of Warcraft.
  • Age of Empires II, perhaps alongside the Definitive Edition.
  • Sid Meier’s Civilisation (the first one).
  • Final Fantasy (the first one).
  • Chrono Trigger.
  • Minecraft (as much as I hate it).
  • Elite (the first one).
  • Wing Commander Privateer Gold.
  • 3D Space Cadet Pinball.
aesthelete,

I think some representative of mobile gaming should be on this list (as much as I hate them). Probably either Candy Crush or Angry Birds.

There should also be a motion gamer entry somewhere on here like Wii Sports or something.

And maybe an indie entry…like perhaps Stardew Valley.

Also some type of sim entry…maybe SimCity?

And probably an adventure game entry of some sort (King’s Quest or Monkey Island).

Relatedly, I think we’re still waiting for a VR or AR game that anyone gives a real shit about.

Edit: the more I think about this the more I think we need more entries so I’ll just stop it

mic_check_one_two, (edited )

This is a pretty solid list, but I’d try to bridge the gaps between older games and more modern ones, to show how things progressed. Essentially, you want each section of the museum to tell a story about how some critical building block of gaming was taken from concept to implementation.

I would actually include both the original Castlevania and Metroid then follow it up with Symphony of the Night. Show the original Castlevania game to establish the series, then show Metroid which has the exploration and backtracking with new abilities. Then show SOTN, which shows the combination of the two (effectively cementing the entire Metroidvania genre). Then show a game like Hollow Knight or Ori and the Blind Forest, which goes on to embody the genre several decades after it has been established.

Zelda is a good one, and I’d follow it up with something like Okami, which follows the same dungeon formula in a radically different setting and art style. Again, showing the genre’s establishment, then showing how it can be adapted.

For Final Fantasy, I’d also include FFX, which follows a very similar turn-based playstyle. Maybe include a Dragon Quest game somewhere in there too, as that series tends to stick to the same basic gameplay formula. Then I’d take it in a different direction and show something like Bravely Default, which is still technically turn-based, but also has additional elements layered on top.

I’d chase Super Mario 64 with something like A Hat In Time. Again, showing the establishment of the 3D platformer, then showing the elements in use elsewhere.

You have Ultima on here, which I agree with. But I’d probably break the display for it into two different halves: For the RPG half, I would include some more tabletop-inspired games here too, as the early game devs were largely tabletop game fans who were simply adapting their favorite games into digital settings. Games like Fallout 1/2, or Baldurs Gate. Maybe even show a modern game like Baldur’s Gate 3, to show how tabletop RPG mechanics can gracefully transition to digital games. Morrowind would also fit nicely here, but Skyrim is a little too far removed from old TTRPGs to be relevant to this section. Still important to have on the list, but I’d probably have it in a section dedicated to player-made mods.

For Ultima’s one-point-perspective dungeon-crawling, following it up with something like Persona Q or SMT: Strange Journey could be impactful to show how it was adapted to more modern games.

puppinstuff,

anxiously checks that Chrono Trigger made the big list

Okay then, carry on.

pcrazee,

Could make a museum for Doom alone. With all the systems it run on.

dejected_warp_core,

On the home-gamer gameplay side, this is a solid list. On the technology side, I think there’s even more that makes sense for a curated museum tour. There were big leaps made in arcade tech through the 80’s and 90’s that were pushing all manner of graphics and sound, head-and-shoulders above the previous generation.

Sega’s “super scaler” boards come to mind, allowing for games like Hang-on, Outrun, and After Burner. Digitized sound samples started with Sinistar and Tempest. Dragon’s Lair amazed everyone with an interactive LaserDisc experience. There were also notable forays into AR with Time Traveler, and VR with Virutality. Lastly, we have the fully-enclosed and immersive cockpit of early Battletech simulators.

AlexisFR, do games w Every RPG subgenre acronym, decoded
@AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

Idle RPGs makes me curious. What’s the best one, SP first, without MTX?

donnywholovedbowling,

Itrtg and ngu idle are great examples of the genre. I think they both have mtx but you don’t need to spend any money to progress. These games also last literally years to get to the end game! Very fun imo

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