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digdilem, do gaming w This ain't balanced at all!

No matter how many buttons I mash, I can’t seem to activate the cheat codes.

ProfessorScience, do games w Large Language Models in Video Games?

I think using LLMs to provide the dialog for NPCs in a RPG is a use case that’s just begging to happen. Ie townsfolk that don’t just give the same few replies every time, and who react to things you’ve done in the past beyond just whatever prewritten options the developer thought of.

Undearius,
@Undearius@lemmy.ca avatar

For those that haven’t seen it, this produces hilarious results.

youtube.com/watch?v=vWMLVZF3pGc

DudeDudenson,

Even with the annoying YouTuber trying to make silly content out of it I’d say it actually kept into the roleplay pretty well

474D,

Wow, even with its flaws, that went way smoother than I expected

Stovetop,

That is…actually far better than I thought it would be. It’s clearly not ready yet, but I could see the potential.

The AI model is too happy to serve the whims of the player, but if there was a better model that could actually be hooked in to me hanics like personality scores or reputation, I could see that as an interesting gameplay system. It also needs more checks on what they are and aren’t supposed to know (e.g. why would a Skyrim NPC associate the name Batman with heroism, or why would they know who Gandalf is?).

A (digital) setup like Westworld is probably in the cards someday. Hopefully with more checks in place to keep the AI from rising up though!

dp290,

Thanks for sharing, this set me off down the rabbit hole, and it seems this is now a popular and viable skyrim mod for organic dialogue with NPCs: www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/…/98631

Pretty mind blowing!!

Fades,

Awesome find!

Zarxrax,

I feel like if an NPC doesn’t have something meaningful to say, then they may as well not exist. Otherwise they just serve to waste the players time.

FelixCress,

It is called “flavour”

Kichae,

“How dare there be an active world in my murder hobo wankfest?”

AmidFuror,

They did this in Free City, and one of the bank tellers became indistinguishable from a player.

Even_Adder,

What is Free City? I can’t figure it out from what I found in me searches.

AmidFuror,
Elevator7009sAlt,

If the feature actually worked as intended I could see myself ignoring the rest of the game and just chatting with the townsfolk.

In reality, I imagine the NPC would totally forget what we were talking about after a certain amount of messages pass. Limited context windows and all that jazz.

torsday,

A challenge game developers have talked about with integrating LLMs is keeping the dialogue matched to the game world, e.g. you don’t want a Skyrim NPC mentioning a cell phone.

Fades,

This is my number one request for being AI to games, it would be so awesome for immersion like you say

simple, do games w Large Language Models in Video Games?

Not anytime soon. Nvidia tried, and nobody liked it. LLMs still suck at creative writing and need a ton of RAM/VRAM just to work. They also often get confused or trail off in any discussion/roleplay.

The only game that sort of made it work was Suck Up!, where you’re a vampire that has to convince an AI to let you in their house so you can suck their blood. It’s a fun concept but even that game gets repetitive quick and the LLM is very stupid and random.

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

NVIDIA not just tried, but still doing it, and apparently soon you’ll play with these NVIDIA ACE NPCs in PUBG and a few other games.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEKUSMqrbzQ

Stovetop,

I don’t know what sounds more robotic, the AI or the script read for the player.

icecreamtaco,
@icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

They don’t need a ton of ram if you use a tiny LLM customized for the game’s use cases, and that’s what games would be doing.

embed_me,
@embed_me@programming.dev avatar

The downside is the tinier the model the stupider it will be

icecreamtaco, (edited )
@icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

Tiny models only get stupid like that because you’re taking a general purpose model that knows everything in the world and compressing all that knowledge too much. If you start with a model that only knows basic english and info about a few hundred things in the game, it can be much smaller.

slazer2au, do games w Large Language Models in Video Games?

We won’t see large language models. We will likely see a stripped down version like a small language model (or Domain Specific models if you want the fancy marketing wank term) because a NPC in a fantasy game doesn’t need to know about 13th century Europe or 19th century Asia.

dax,

Yes, LLMs are too costly for this and require a cloud service, smaller models could run on the client. The main difficulty is getting the training data and preparing it for machine learning.

FeelzGoodMan420, do games w Metal Gear Rising is seriously overrated

Nah, that game was fantastic.

magic_lobster_party, do games w Large Language Models in Video Games?

A good fit would be random background NPCs. For example, pedestrians in a GTA like game. Can potentially increase the variety in the things they can say, and maybe even talk about things the player has just done.

RagnarokOnline, do gaming w My regular depression will defeat post game depression with its decades of experience.

Red Dead 2 after the main story line… and then we got the epilogue!

SARGE,
@SARGE@startrek.website avatar

May I… Stand unshaken…

“…thank you…”

I’m not crying YOU’RE CRYING

nul9o9,

Felt like I lost a friend after that one.

MothmanDelorian, do games w RuneScape is planning on introducing Black Mirror inspired membership plans

It’s$400+ a year?

Edgarallenpwn, do games w RuneScape is planning on introducing Black Mirror inspired membership plans
@Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social avatar

Does RuneLite not have the longer afk plug-in anymore?

AMillionMonkeys, do games w Large Language Models in Video Games?
@AMillionMonkeys@lemmy.world avatar

I think the PC vs. console divide is relevant here. I’m not sure how advanced text entry on consoles is these days, but I imagine PCs have the advantage with keyboards. Maybe if they use voice recognition on the consoles? But AAA games usually target both, and if interacting with the model is clunky for a big chunk of your market then the big developers might not use the technology.
Of course, indie devs that only target PC can go wild.

umami_wasbi,

Whisper from OpenAI is pretty solid for speech recognition (at least English), and it is small enough to deploy on mobile devices. If I recall correctly, both PS and Xbox controllers have mics built-in, so input device is covered.

Stovetop,

Not sure about Switch, but PS5/Xbox support mouse and keyboard inputs if a game is designed for them.

Voice recognition seems more likely to me, though. PS5 already has an advantage there because every Dualsense controller has a mic in it.

Jtskywalker,

AI could also generate dialogie options for players, though. It could operate as traditional dialogue, with AI generating responses and possible doalogue paths ahead of time so you get a “normal” experience that just changes every time

LaserTurboShark69, do gaming w My regular depression will defeat post game depression with its decades of experience.

SIGNALIS fucked me up for like a year

soloner,

I couldn’t get into that one. Idk if the controls felt clunky or what. Should I stick with it? I’ve been thinking about trying it again

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

There’s a third person mod for it if that style of gameplay would suit you better.

It’s an absolute masterpiece, but it requires your active attention. You have to put the pieces it gives you together, or you won’t get that expansive “more than the sum of it’s parts” effect that really good art can do.

Dagnet, do gaming w My regular depression will defeat post game depression with its decades of experience.

I finish very few games unfortunately. Last one that gave me post game depression was Hi-Fi Rush I think

RagnarokOnline,

I tend not to finish them as well. I think I just like the exploration and learning part, then I get bored when it comes time to apply what I learned and power through content.

soloner, do gaming w My regular depression will defeat post game depression with its decades of experience.

I get depressed when I don’t finish a game… Beat Dave the diver recently and that made me so happy

idunnololz,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

Me too :D. I love that game.

Kolanaki, do games w Metal Gear Rising is seriously overrated
!deleted6508 avatar

Nah. Nanomachines, son.

Petter1, do gaming w My regular depression will defeat post game depression with its decades of experience.

I never finished a game yet 😂 well, except lego harry potter, but that was a “finally!” 🤪😅😂

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